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Post by joseph on Jun 26, 2018 10:28:14 GMT -6
I forget which one, but one of the Chili pepper's albums the engineer set up some speakers and mics in a large room to reamp the ambience for the tracks. What they should have done is re-amp'd Mother's Milk and then just completely lowered the volume of the dry tracks
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Post by joseph on Jun 26, 2018 10:22:07 GMT -6
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Post by joseph on Jun 14, 2018 19:00:59 GMT -6
Um....I didn’t imean in any way suggest the mic was broken OR that he should fix it. I pointed out the fact that Fig8 pattern picks up less room than cardioid. Well it cerainly picks up less sides - but it picks up a LOT more back. Does that equate to "less room"? I don't think so, but it's probably the way you look at it. Or hear it..
As I understand it, the reason guys like William Wittman favor the Coles 4038 for room mics is the amount of room picked up from the rear.
In my experience the 4038 picks up less bad room if you angle it right, but picks up more depth in what it does capture at the same time. Like a wide-angle lens. So, it's great!
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Post by joseph on Jun 14, 2018 18:56:51 GMT -6
Beyer M88. Definitely won't suck the room in and you can make a whole album on that single mic! You can record a kick with it, a floor Tom, a bass cab, guitar cab, acoustic guitar, wind chimes and then cut a world class vocal. One of my favorite mics ever. Love it on kick.
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Post by joseph on Jun 14, 2018 18:56:00 GMT -6
i dunno, i have mics that just sound good everywhere and on everything. i can't see them ever being the wrong mic for a job. they have something special going on. when i look at what they have in common they all have a relatively flat responses and have excellent off axis sound quality. Could you use a 57 and a U87 to record distorted guitar? Sure, and both would have a good starting point, but the U87 would be too boomy and fizzy and without the pronounced midrange the 57 has. You'd end up using a lot more EQ on the U87 than the 57 to get it to fit in the mix IMHO. So while both are pro level mics, one would fit the job better than the other I think. U87 and 67 were used on Back in Black for guitars. That's about the meanest guitar sound there is. Personally my favorite electric guitar mic is the e22s, but I like guitar tracks that sound like the amp.
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Post by joseph on Jun 13, 2018 8:34:15 GMT -6
If only we were this concerned about all the good sounding music in the world. True, but being critical about bad art and standards sometimes pays off, see Paul Zimmerman or François Truffaut.
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Post by joseph on Jun 13, 2018 8:02:39 GMT -6
My biggest problem with the vast majority of music today is that it's emotionally shallow.
Sure back in the day you had people crying about flames and break ups and so on, but it was done in an interesting way either musically or better still it was emotionally real, which is hard to describe except in contrast to what is obviously not. You had bubble gum music, and yes the Beatles wrote bad songs too, but it was easy to separate wheat from the chaff. Now people insist the chaff is the wheat.
This is a new development, people equate everything and think that shallow pop music is just as valid as Beethoven, let alone good pop music. If there's anything smart (but really not that smart), people fall over themselves, like what happens at the Oscars every year. People think that Banksy is equal to Rembrandt.
Singers mostly whine and you have producer driven consensus on ersatz emotional signals, like torch songs, which is just marketing to lowest common denominator. Or you have intricate electronic music, but messy arrangements and no emotional complexity because there are no words it's just about cool sounds or the lyrics are shit or it's an endless emotional pastiche that may have been interesting originally, like ambient music with "field recordings" and granular clouds. Or you get a lot of smoke and mirrors around what is essentially white people whining earnestly about their ennui > see Radiohead and most indie music.
For most popular music today at least there are no interesting chord changes, i.e. emotional shifts. Compare anyone today with the Beatles in this area and they fail miserably. Songs now are one stupid idea over and over, which is ironic because my favorite songs tend to be one good idea with one good chord change for 2 minutes max and that's it. But that's too high a bar, apparently.
Finally music takes itself way too seriously or not seriously enough. There is a lack of genuine humor, by which I mean self-awareness. Talking heads or Devo or Frank Black are good examples. I don't mean a shtick like John Misty, although that's better than nothing. Courtney Barnett or the Breeders are good examples of people playing today who get this.
I could go on and on but the lack of interesting emotional content is the main thing. I mean look at the world today and most music is about nothing at all or if you're lucky it's actually about that feeling of having nothing to say because people have no life experience. Pathetic.
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Post by joseph on Jun 6, 2018 17:58:59 GMT -6
I have the Manle Massive Passive. I use it on rare occasions. Would the Curve Bender really make much difference? I wish I could sell some UAD plugs and buy a few new ones adding in the difference. UAD makes an absolute fortune on plug-ins. It's a cash cow. I wish they'd give those of us out here in the music making business a little more wiggle room. We did pay for them, and I think we should be able to sell anything we buy in America. The Massive Passive is smoother, whereas the Curve Bender is more noticeable, particularly in the high mids. It sounds more sculpted and punchy to me.
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Post by joseph on Jun 6, 2018 8:40:53 GMT -6
There's some good "little" ones on sale too right now. Just picked up the API EQ, Alpha compressor... think in a few weeks I'll get BX Digital V3 and Oxford Inflator... maybe Chandler Curve Bender.... trying not to go on a UAD bender right now... not hard when you run out of money! The Curve Bender is great. Here are my impressions from another post I made a while back: The softube curve bender I shot out vs clips of the hardware and plugin affected dry. The curves and the inductor highs are very very accurate. I think bass on the hardware is maybe slightly more solid, and depth and sweetness are just a hair better, but in a hybrid mix with some hardware (like this eq before a hardware bus compressor), not sure anyone could tell difference.
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Post by joseph on Jun 6, 2018 8:32:47 GMT -6
Man that's really tempting. The options are paralyzing right now! That’s a nice price, 2108, the Hans Zimmer speaker, he liked the H108 but it didn’t go deep enough so Roger built a larger cabinet tuned lower. Simple design really Volt 8 and Morell 1in dome, dome is uses stock user replaceable $50 dia. Though not enexpensize drive the Morell has a lot of fans not bright or edgy. 2108’s can be used near or mid field so pretty versatile. Some love the mids some find it a little heavy in the lows, but I think those are petwho are putting to close to the back wall. Here are some links that might be useful Interview with Roger Quested, where he talks about evolution of 2 ways. www.audiotechnology.com.au/PDF/REGULARS/NAME_BEHIND_THE_NAME/AT56_NBN_Rogar_Quested.pdfVS2108 manual www.masteringmansion.com/common/docs_d/doc_767.pdfAlso I find the bass in particular is better from midfield position because it has a chance to propagate and the overall integration is better, and like Eric says, the room and positioning made a huge difference in my experience in terms of low mids and bass phase.
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Post by joseph on Jun 5, 2018 10:24:49 GMT -6
I got a pair of Questeds fairly cheap. They pop up used quite a bit, see below for example. The evolution of the model was Q108 (which I have with upgraded Morel tweeters) to VS2108 (not much difference) to V2108 (more of an upgrade in bass department). They are more toward midfield than nearfield in my opinion. reverb.com/item/10131167-quested-vs2108-studio-monitors-pairI also have a pair of KH120a and they translate very well, as long as you keep volumes reasonable. The midrange is not as natural as the Questeds -- which are really unbelievably good on vocals, strings and sense of depth -- and I suspect the KH310 is similar, yet I would also suspect they have better bass translation than the ported 3 ways.
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Post by joseph on Apr 30, 2018 10:53:06 GMT -6
Zildjian Ks, Kerope or Paiste 602s vintage/classic sounds. Anything medium thin to thin.
2002 for harder styles. Giant Beats is good for rootsy stuff.
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Post by joseph on Apr 28, 2018 17:01:57 GMT -6
Shelford 5052
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Post by joseph on Apr 4, 2018 15:15:20 GMT -6
It turns out the front-of-kit method is right out of Muscle Shoals and not related to Glyn Johns. In the '50s a single OH near the drummer's forehead was SOP with no kick. Bleed into the vocalist's mike was the rest of the sound. The vocalist would be placed directly in front of the drum kit facing it to keep the bleed clean. Because there were no headphones, the drummer needed to play in a soft "jazz" style. Speaking of which Charlie Watts used the same Paiste 602 for almost 40 years before he finally cracked it!
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Post by joseph on Apr 4, 2018 15:01:04 GMT -6
I also tried and liked the William Wittman method, since I was already doing something similar at the time. I like it but without hard panning, same with Glyn Johns which is not hard panned as devised.
Generally I prefer 2 overheads in Massenburg configuration, because you can manipulate the center image of the kit better while keeping kick relatively center and you can make small adjustments for floor tom capture or more or less cymbals. Lately 4038s but I've used KM84s and M160s too.
I always throw up a mono OH, sometimes leave it up, typically a ribbon any time I use SDCs or an 87 any time I use ribbons.
My favorite sound in general is mono overhead or FOK and stereo rooms, but often tracking space doesn't permit that and I find the 4038s have great side rejection of live amps while still giving depth of room tone.
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Post by joseph on Apr 2, 2018 22:06:26 GMT -6
Josephson C716
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Post by joseph on Apr 2, 2018 22:02:01 GMT -6
Was hoping you guys could let me know cost? Its not all 100% ironed out yet. The best info I have right now is an estimate that a full 32x4 will be appx $115 per channel. The cost per channel goes up if the channel count goes down due to the carcass still being required. Not bad!
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Post by joseph on Mar 28, 2018 19:14:13 GMT -6
BAE 1073Ds with the 16k band. I use these on Coles.
My favorite thing overall though is the DI in the Electrodyne 501, which is also an all around great preamp, and reamp path.
Think I would go all CAPI though if I had to start over. So many awesome modules now.
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Post by joseph on Mar 25, 2018 10:37:40 GMT -6
My favorite Schoeps capsule in this category is the MK22, because it is basically flat but less focused than the MK4, to which I definitely prefer the KM84. The MK22 is probably the most natural spot pickup I've ever heard. However the MK4 will work best in typical stereo configs like DIN and ORTF so if you're recording lots of acoustic ensembles, that's the way to go.
For general studio spot I think the Josephson e22s is the best of all. Because it sounds excellent on both acoustic plectrums and strings, loud amps and drums, and has more low end, better rejection and resolution at high SPL than the KM84.
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Post by joseph on Mar 19, 2018 19:20:35 GMT -6
Everyone always says that ribbons bring out the shells of the drums, but they are also more flattering and true I think to the transients on cymbals, especially brighter crashes and quicker rides. So I usually prefer eq'd ribbon these days.
Fig 8 mics like Coles can reject things from side in a way cardioids or tighter patterns like KU4 or M160s can't, and vice versa for ceilings.
That said, the U67 is on countless records and will probably sound more open than the KU4 so I'd go for that. Against pair of Coles, not so sure.
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Post by joseph on Mar 19, 2018 19:11:42 GMT -6
I almost always use a master bus compressor, and think it's pretty essential to eq afterward, so it has to be on master.
I tend to mix pretty dark though.
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The Flu
Mar 9, 2018 20:57:55 GMT -6
Post by joseph on Mar 9, 2018 20:57:55 GMT -6
I've been coming down with something since yesterday. Really hope it's just a cold.... It's the flu all right... Oh, CRAP! If within 48hrs of symptoms starting tamiflu might help.
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Post by joseph on Mar 8, 2018 21:08:09 GMT -6
I got it and it’s kicking my bonie little ass!🤢 Feel better, champ!
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Post by joseph on Mar 7, 2018 17:42:06 GMT -6
Worth noting that with electronic/midi music these days timing is often only partially quantized (like a percentage) after being live recorded. Likewise some of the most interesting music is modular where a sequencer clock itself can be influenced by random control voltages or other modulations.
Personally I hate click tracks, they are just boring. No one really gives a shit if the drummer is losing control on any 70s glam or 80s punk rock record, people like it. For that matter some of those records would sound worse if the toms didn’t sound like cardboard.
I’d rather one song or section sound a little off than sap the life of the rhythm section.
Listen to Furtwängler, Jesus the beat is all over the place, very expressive. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, but if you play it safe you never are in the running.
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Post by joseph on Feb 28, 2018 9:51:02 GMT -6
I realize that this is a pro audio forum, but for those that wish to believe that any kind of mercury, be it in thimerosal used to preserve vaccines or that which is found in fish that is eaten, this is not music to my ears. I'm sure many here remember the medical establishment's reversals on thalidomide, calomel tooth powder, x-rays during pregnancy, or lead exposure to children. In each of these cases, thousands of children were injured or killed before an entrenched medical establishment was finally willing to abandon treatments that were unquestionably causing great harm. Seeing first hand the damage done to children after receiving innoculations, from chronic skin rashes, autoimmune disease and autism...I have come to accept that although not everyone is severely and adversely affected due to their own body chemistry, all mercury, whatever kind, be it in tuna fish or as a preservative in vaccines is highly toxic contrary to what the public relations arm of the CDC publicly states. In point of fact, just recently a review previous research meta data by their own CDC researchers stated just the opposite. This is the study (which costs about $100 to download) link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/398_2016_1 5/10/16 "There are a number of mechanisms by which alkylmercury compounds cause toxic action in the body. Collectively, published studies reveal that there are some similarities between the mechanisms of the toxic action of the mono-alkyl mercury compounds methylmercury (MeHg) and ethylmercury (EtHg). This paper represents a summary of some of the studies regarding these mechanisms of action in order to facilitate the understanding of the many varied effects of alkylmercurials in the human body. The similarities in mechanisms of toxicity for MeHg and EtHg are presented and compared. The difference in manifested toxicity of MeHg and EtHg are likely the result of the differences in exposure, metabolism, and elimination from the body, rather than differences in mechanisms of action between the two". Methylmercury, the highly-regulated neurotoxin found in fish, and ethylmercury (found in medical products, including influenza and tetanus vaccines, ear drops and nasal sprays) are similarly toxic to humans. Methylmercury and ethylmercury share common chemical properties, and both significantly disrupt central nervous system development and function. Thimerosal is extremely toxic at very low exposures and is more damaging than methylmercury in some studies. For example, ethylmercury is even more destructive to the mitochondria in cells than methylmercury. The ethylmercury in thimerosal does not leave the body quickly as the CDC once claimed, but is metabolized into highly neurotoxic forms. We all must make our own informed decisions which is hopefully based on relevant facts and observations and not on what we wish to believe, and in this case I understand that mercury is extremely harmful to our bodies and that some are more susceptible than others to mercury's toxicity. In this case I must give benefit of the doubt of the safety that the mouthpiece of the CDC speaks of. If you think the level of Thimerosal as a preservative in multidose vaccines is too high, it is your prerogative not to take them obviously. If given the choice I suppose I wouldn't either, but the levels are trace as that paper makes clear, like chlorine in tap water, which is also toxic. Not only that, exposure is very infrequent. I would be much more concerned about exposure during fetal development in the first trimester to other more pervasive environmental toxins. Likewise I would be more concerned about unmetabolized pharmaceutical components in tap water. Do you avoid not just tuna but swordfish and mackerel, arsenic in soil, skin care products with metals, or hair care products with fixatives, alcohol consumption, which increases risk of liver disease, colorectal, esophageal and other cancers? I'd start there. The reason parents blame vaccines for Autism is because of regression in development in their child. So they look at recent events, such as vaccination. But the issue is well studied and there is no established link between Autism and vaccination (or mercury for that matter), if only the explanation were that simple. www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X14006367?via%3DihubAutism itself is not one disorder but myriad disorders with similar symptoms but often completely different genetic causes. These would be inherited mutations or changes during sperm and egg production or fusion. Environmental factors like prematurity or infection during pregnancy, parental behavior and age and so on. Vaccines after birth? Doesn't appear to be much of a factor. That said, no vaccines or medicines are perfectly safe. Reye syndrome from Aspirin for example. On balance public health benefits from vaccination, and given the weight of evidence I don't think it's smart to expose children at large to measles or mumps, let alone more serious diseases like diphtheria, pertussis or polio, or pregnant women to rubella.
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