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Post by lolo on Oct 17, 2013 8:22:18 GMT -6
Now this looks interesting. I am a big fan of the slate stuff. Looking forward to this  |
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Post by lolo on Oct 17, 2013 8:23:00 GMT -6
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Post by lolo on Oct 17, 2013 8:33:27 GMT -6
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Post by lolo on Oct 17, 2013 8:34:37 GMT -6
Really like the looks of this. Very innovative.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 8:52:03 GMT -6
Very cool
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 15:33:47 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 15:51:35 GMT -6
t-racks did this. I'm more excited about them showing Logic running on the Raven than this plugin. However, it's annoying that he's just talking the whole time and doesn't actually run audio through it. So, thanks for the pretty silent pictures :-P
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Post by henge on Oct 17, 2013 16:16:33 GMT -6
does it come with the touch screen? LOL! For $499!! I love the job they did with VBC so I'll be very interested in this. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 16:24:49 GMT -6
If this becomes the 500 series for plugin developers I'd be very excited. Soundtoys, Valhalla, UBK, Softube, Waves and all developing for this could be huge for workflow. It is WAY easier to gain stage this way and this is why the SSL channel from Waves is still my go to. I don't even care how it sounds, to me that plugin alone can get a whole song mixed faster and it's way more fun.
I've asked Steven about this already, hopefully this is the case. I know Dave @ Empircal Labs spoke recently about moving into plugin development and would love to see his designs in something like this.
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Post by acegunn on Oct 17, 2013 16:44:40 GMT -6
If this becomes the 500 series for plugin developers I'd be very excited. Soundtoys, Valhalla, UBK, Softube, Waves and all developing for this could be huge for workflow. It is WAY easier to gain stage this way and this is why the SSL channel from Waves is still my go to. I don't even care how it sounds, to me that plugin alone can get a whole song mixed faster and it's way more fun. I've asked Steven about this already, hopefully this is the case. I know Dave @ Empircal Labs spoke recently about moving into plugin development and would love to see his designs in something like this. This could potentially make it easier for plugin developers if they only have to develop for the Slate VRM format. Slate does the work of making the VRM rack work with RTAS, AAX, VST, etc. and any new formats, and the plugin developers only have to worry about the VRM format. I wonder if this was part of the "new framework" Slate said was being developed for his plugins. Also, does this potentially lay the groundwork for a Raven standalone DAW? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 18:05:20 GMT -6
I imagine it will be expensive to replace all my modeled plugs with these but I am sure they will sound nice. That is the thing with Slate... it never sucks.
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Post by popmann on Oct 17, 2013 18:53:26 GMT -6
You mean getting third party's to support his "format inside a format"? Ehh...good luck with that. I do agree, it's a good workflow thing--I've often said that I want a DAW button that would open a windo with all the plugs for a given track--and close it with one click. Unfortunately, this only does that for his stuff. Which, without a good Pultec....without a good opto? Is useless to me. Also--1084 was the EQ to model. I need the resonant LPF for my day to day work...
He's chosen to start with SSL EQ and 1176...? Really? He's obviously aiming for a heavy rock market, no? He will have to come out with some very different units to peak my interest. Even then--be better if the channel plug grouping was done at DAW level than starting some format inside a format.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 19:35:11 GMT -6
You mean getting third party's to support his "format inside a format"? Ehh...good luck with that. I do agree, it's a good workflow thing--I've often said that I want a DAW button that would open a windo with all the plugs for a given track--and close it with one click. Unfortunately, this only does that for his stuff. Which, without a good Pultec....without a good opto? Is useless to me. Also--1084 was the EQ to model. I need the resonant LPF for my day to day work... He's chosen to start with SSL EQ and 1176...? Really? He's obviously aiming for a heavy rock market, no? He will have to come out with some very different units to peak my interest. Even then--be better if the channel plug grouping was done at DAW level than starting some format inside a format. Building on what Acegunn said, this could really alleviate smaller developers who have to port the plug over to several different formats, it leaves all the plugin GUIs right in front of you allowing for easier gain staging. I'm sure that if this is the case TONS more is on the way. optos, 1084s and many many more. |
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Post by lolo on Oct 17, 2013 20:25:37 GMT -6
He did say there is plenty plugs coming in the future to work inside this "lunchbox".
Pretty cool. And yeah his stuff does sound good.
Slate DAW next?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 20:59:06 GMT -6
I wonder if his developers figured out an efficient way to model the circuits directly, instead of the response curves.
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Post by popmann on Oct 17, 2013 21:06:57 GMT -6
I've been up for someone to make a "virtual old school studio" DAW for years. Like, if Slate made it--"VCC" becomes literally an on/off button on a channel or buss--and when you click "on", you get a drop down to pick the model.
I understand one would lose an amount of tweakability with this kind of simplification, but honestly....I'm fine with that. Tape on/off+drive. Calibrations can just be set as a project setting. I'll tell you now, I'd set it to bass -1.5db, 456, 2track, at 15ips. Leave it.
I feel like all these things--"rack GUIs"....buss crosstalk and line amp modeling....it's like we're working around the paradigm of a traditional sequencer based DAW....which obviously fails for some from a workflow/UI perspective. Which I know is what Harrison Mixbus has tried to do....funny-never could get it to work on my Mac to try it when I downloaded their demo. Have a rule not to install weirdness on the production Windows machine...maybe I should give it another shot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 8:10:58 GMT -6
I set and forget VCC. Rarely at the end of a mix I'll flip through all the different consoles, increase/decrease the drive a bit. Sometimes depending on what I'm going for I'll flip just the kick and bass over the Neve model and leave the rest at the Trident. It's a great plugin.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2013 8:14:19 GMT -6
I love vbc and vcc. Also starting to come around to VTM a bit. Can't wait to hear what these sound like. I would love to get out of UAD.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 8:16:33 GMT -6
UAD is really expensive and seems to hog a lot of resources depending on what you're using. I have a wishlist going.
- UBK-1 (have the Clariphonic and it's incredible)
- VTM
- VBC (I'm happy with my Waves comps but something tells me I need to give this a go)
- VMR
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Post by wreck on Oct 18, 2013 10:02:23 GMT -6
Ya - this is what IK Multimedia did at the outset with their TRacks stuff. I am not sure that I see the innovation here. Not for my work flow anyway. If the plugs are better, then the plugs are better. But I don't feel like I am lacking in plugs anymore. I have more than I need.
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Post by henge on Oct 18, 2013 12:04:08 GMT -6
UAD is really expensive and seems to hog a lot of resources depending on what you're using. I have a wishlist going. - UBK-1 (have the Clariphonic and it's incredible) - VTM - VBC (I'm happy with my Waves comps but something tells me I need to give this a go) - VMR The UBK-1 is awesome! Very powerful and has it's own distinct sound. VBC are the best itb box comps I've heard. They do sound 3d, like hardware imo. |
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Post by lolo on Oct 18, 2013 21:13:01 GMT -6
UAD is really expensive and seems to hog a lot of resources depending on what you're using. I have a wishlist going. - UBK-1 (have the Clariphonic and it's incredible) - VTM - VBC (I'm happy with my Waves comps but something tells me I need to give this a go) - VMR The UBK-1 is awesome! Very powerful and has it's own distinct sound. VBC are the best itb box comps I've heard. They do sound 3d, like hardware imo. On what does UBK-1 shine?. Working on a new song this wkend, might give the demo a try! |
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Post by popmann on Oct 18, 2013 21:31:26 GMT -6
Ya - this is what IK Multimedia did at the outset with their TRacks stuff. And I didn't use THOSE until they started breaking them up.  I DO get the workflow improvement of being able to build a custom channel of plugs that open in one "child window" at once...but, like the issue with t-Racks, I never use all one company's plug ins on a channel. Maybe a year from now, he'll have a more comprehensive collection and it would be a good option for someone who doesn't already own what they need. I'd much rather have a DAW implement a "all inserts" child window that tiles all inserts with some kind of signal flow arrow designation. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2013 23:15:50 GMT -6
Ya - this is what IK Multimedia did at the outset with their TRacks stuff. And I didn't use THOSE until they started breaking them up. I DO get the workflow improvement of being able to build a custom channel of plugs that open in one "child window" at once...but, like the issue with t-Racks, I never use all one company's plug ins on a channel. Maybe a year from now, he'll have a more comprehensive collection and it would be a good option for someone who doesn't already own what they need. I'd much rather have a DAW implement a "all inserts" child window that tiles all inserts with some kind of signal flow arrow designation. Without really knowing, I'd imagine this would be a gigantic pain in the ass just given the different sizes of GUIs. Hopefully this is the digital version of the 500 series and sees other developers using it as a platform so that you can use Waves, UBK and the forthcoming Empirical Labs plugins all within this format with similar sized GUIs. |
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Post by henge on Oct 19, 2013 14:10:20 GMT -6
The UBK-1 is awesome! Very powerful and has it's own distinct sound. VBC are the best itb box comps I've heard. They do sound 3d, like hardware imo. On what does UBK-1 shine?. Working on a new song this wkend, might give the demo a try! I love it as a parallel drum comp but giving it it's own channel. It really colours the sound even when it's not doing anything, so I like to have it on it's own channel running in parallel with the drums. Scroll through the drums presets, which show the over compression side of the plug, and start blending. At this point it starts to add a different movement to the groove as well as snap and sustain to the hats and cymbals. |
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I DO get the workflow improvement of being able to build a custom channel of plugs that open in one "child window" at once...but, like the issue with t-Racks, I never use all one company's plug ins on a channel. 