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Post by popmann on Nov 24, 2014 23:36:25 GMT -6
Just pulled up a demo and reworked it with only VMR. turned out great. I can adapt to most anything, me thinks. Most everything was the NeveEQ, VCA , and revival. Some 76 on drum samples.
Much more fun than the lyric writing I was supposed to be doing with the demo....oh, but how sweet the "la la las" sounded....ha.
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Post by WKG on Nov 26, 2014 19:29:00 GMT -6
New version posted today, VMR 1.0.7.5.
Looks like it's a fix for an AMD Phenom CPU issue and a 10.6.8 fix. |
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Post by popmann on Dec 5, 2014 17:20:46 GMT -6
So, my demo period ends today or tomorrow....few parting thoughts.
It's a nice set of tools. I think he and Fabrice have done some....umm..."bad setting proofing" to these. I found signals stayed brighter through more range of compression settings....and more than once I thought there was a deEsser in play as I goosed more and more highs into a vocal and the SSSs got "swishy" instead of icepicky....it also seems the VCA is doing more gain reduction than the meters suggest--though, again, I'm not running test tones--I'm just saying you can flatline stuff pretty well and have the gain reduction reading 5-7db....
I printed off the mixes I did with them....versus the ones previous....these are just rough demos...half of them have different drum samples, so it's not a fair comparison--except to say that the dynamic range measured about the same and yet it SEEMS louder, drier, and more forward.....ie, more compressed. The irony is they're models of old school tools--that somehow yield a very modern crisp punchy bright sound no matter the setting. Makes me question how authentic they are--as I've never liked SSL EQs or 76s much....but, here both were very useable to me.
I wonder how much Revival has to do with this. I have to say that it was pretty rare I used VMR on something and didn't end the chain with it. And I did compare using some of my other regular compression/EQ tools and adding only Revival....and got fairly similar results.
Anyway--I would have no issues doing a mix with just this stuff, but as I pointed out, I've been through so many different recording systems over the years, I can pretty well work with a wide range of gear so YMMV.
I should also note--I mentioned the VST3 implementation....turns out....it's actually the mouse wheel emulation that my knob is doing--not VST3 AI knob. Still--fairly smooth operation compared to his other plugs. But, that explains why some are better than others. My knob is just doing mousewheel emulation--not Cubase's VST3 AI function. Apparently you need their knob for that. I bet it's calibrated a little smoother and consistently being first party.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 5, 2014 19:55:43 GMT -6
I kind've had a a quick burn on this...ultimately went back to using the UA 1176's...I just was more familiar with how they react...seemed like the releases are more realistic. Also, I thought the UA Neve was better, but I wouldn't be afraid to use VMR in a mix either.
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Post by drumrec on Dec 5, 2014 20:42:41 GMT -6
I kind've had a a quick burn on this...ultimately went back to using the UA 1176's...I just was more familiar with how they react...seemed like the releases are more realistic. Also, I thought the UA Neve was better, but I wouldn't be afraid to use VMR in a mix either. Yepp, same here! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 5, 2014 20:46:22 GMT -6
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Post by drumrec on Dec 5, 2014 21:08:54 GMT -6
Thank you Maestro  Always nice to drop by at RGO. Have been so busy the last time with the drum recordings and studio building. A friend and I are building a large studio complex here in Stockholm and when everything is ready it will be nearly 18-20 studios (10 are ready and leased by songwriters and producers). So I'm working more or less 24/7, for it is just me and my friend who builds everything. Crazy time, but really fun when everything is ready. Have thought drop in on the thread with studio building here at RGO  Hope all is well with you all at RGO Keep in Touch /H |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 5, 2014 21:17:38 GMT -6
VMR at the sale price was hard to ignore as it certainly is very usable and compliments the Ua plugs and runs native, the free ilok and revival were nice touches too
I had $50 in UA coupons so did pick up the new neve 73 for under $100, sonically I think I give the nod to UA but the extra mid band is an interesting wrinkle in the slate plug
people complain about prices but that was 5 plugs and a new ilok for out of pocket about 2-250, my only dilemma was that or new UA varimu but if you wait prices drop; like the neve!
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 5, 2014 21:29:50 GMT -6
Yeah - really liked that the EQ points weren't detented in the VMR.
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Post by popmann on Dec 5, 2014 22:28:12 GMT -6
Speaking of detents....I think some of the magic is in the specific frequencies picked by Neve--but, the easiest way to do both is to detent it by default, and do something like hold shift to move it in between. I don't know why none of them do this. I know the frustration of the preset freqs not being just right....but, I also hate sweeping EQ around. I find the multiples is important....cut 330 boost 3.3 kind of thing....that's easier with detents. But, there's no technical reason you can't do what I say--have it detent to traditional points and then shift click or something to go in between. Best of both worlds.
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Post by henge on Dec 6, 2014 8:43:04 GMT -6
I've done a bunch of mixes with these and absolutely love them. These are the only "emu's" I have. I can dial in sounds very quickly with these things and they do add a nice" something" to the source. Mostly using the neve one and both comps.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 6, 2014 10:58:19 GMT -6
The point about the 76 comp ballistics is accurate ! They seem almost delayed or slowed nothing like the actual vu on my wa76 or the vus in the other plugs.
I am liking them sonically and for ease of use.
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Post by RicFoxx on Dec 12, 2014 23:08:44 GMT -6
I like the Revival, awesome...the VCA is usable. The 76, ssl eq and neve eq...meh!
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Post by warrenfirehouse on Jul 7, 2015 9:05:31 GMT -6
So I recently upgraded my rig with a new comp, pt 12 and an apollo 8. I got some uad stuff, slate trigger, fgx, and vbc. Im lovin all of these, especially vbc. Then I bought VMR and played around with it for the first time last night. Am I missing something? Im finding the comps really flat and lifeless sounding, and the eqs brittle and harsh. I thought the stock digi eq sounded better  Im not giving up on it just yet, but im definitely disappointed so far. Any insight or others experience now that its been out for some time? Maybe im just using it wrong? |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 7, 2015 9:20:25 GMT -6
I have so much $hit already, it would take me two years just to properly learn the plugs I do have.
One interesting thing, I did a remix yesterday, and did something I hate to do, started from scratch, took everything off the mix bus. Instead of my usual five or six plugs in the 2 bus, I ended up with only two, Slate's VBC, and Apple's compressor. The Slate plug made the track just jump off the screen, I've used it hundreds of times, but in this way, it's just outstanding.
So, VMR doesn't interest me much. I have one plug that lets me choose from Neve, Api or SSL in my mix bus if I want color. With digital, I'm finding I want cleaner, not more colorful, all that "color" just adds up to unwanted distortions unless you really know what you're doing.
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Always nice to drop by at RGO. Have been so busy the last time with the drum recordings and studio building. A friend and I are building a large studio complex here in Stockholm and when everything is ready it will be nearly 18-20 studios (10 are ready and leased by songwriters and producers). So I'm working more or less 24/7, for it is just me and my friend who builds everything. Crazy time, but really fun when everything is ready. Have thought drop in on the thread with studio building here at RGO 
Im not giving up on it just yet, but im definitely disappointed so far.