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Post by thehightenor on Sept 5, 2022 14:31:48 GMT -6
If Trinnov actually adjusts itself in real time, and obviously it'd be doing that without the calibrated mic in the room, then it'd have to be responding to just the program material and/or the volume hitting it. Pretty cool.Honestly, that seems like a nightmare to me. I don't want my speakers adjusting to program material in real time. At least I don't think I do.... My room / speakers are a fixed "monitoring system" that I want to react the exact same way every time. Good or bad. I want a fixed target. Unless someone can convince me that that's a dinosaur approach.... I think I'm from your school on this - "the old school" :-) Where does trust begin and end with this stuff! Do I trust a Trinnov DSP algorithm to be strapped across my main outputs - whirring away doing it's thing? I think in my case I'll apply the rule "if it 'aint broke - don't fix it" I spent a lot of money treating my mix room and investing in a pair of ATC 25's and mixes translate predictably to the outside world. Perhaps it is my age, but when it comes to monitoring sound, I think I'm more comfortable with traditional engineering solutions. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 5, 2022 14:33:33 GMT -6
Maybe it was a bad use of the words “real time.” I’d think you have to be constantly monitoring/listening for it to be real time I would think.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 7, 2022 20:58:06 GMT -6
Call me a fanboy. Man, add me to the list of people that would never want to be without this thing again. Can you learn your room and turn out good stuff? Sure…but it’s just so counterintuitive to me to not be able to mix to something that sounds “perfect” because you know you have to really limit bass “because your room has a big dip and if you mix to where you here it correctly in the room” it’s way too hot. That’s like throwing darts at a moving target to me.
Just listening to stuff and you can really separate the wheat from the chaff. Listening to John Mayer “New Light” and it’s just freaking fantastic sounding.
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 8, 2022 2:23:47 GMT -6
Call me a fanboy. Man, add me to the list of people that would never want to be without this thing again. Can you learn your room and turn out good stuff? Sure…but it’s just so counterintuitive to me to not be able to mix to something that sounds “perfect” because you know you have to really limit bass “because your room has a big dip and if you mix to where you here it correctly in the room” it’s way too hot. That’s like throwing darts at a moving target to me. Just listening to stuff and you can really separate the wheat from the chaff. Listening to John Mayer “New Light” and it’s just freaking fantastic sounding. I definitely wouldn’t want to mix in a room that had a big dip in it, that wouldn’t be good. |
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Post by sirthought on Oct 8, 2022 3:59:01 GMT -6
Unfortunately, I've been the big dip in my room for most of my mixes. (sad trombone)
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 8, 2022 5:19:01 GMT -6
Unfortunately, I've been the big dip in my room for most of my mixes. (sad trombone)  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 8, 2022 6:35:14 GMT -6
Glad you are so pleased as T is expensive !
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Post by ml on Oct 8, 2022 6:43:43 GMT -6
Glad you are so pleased as T is expensive ! Wish they had a “lite” version with limited I/O, so we could try it! Haha |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 8, 2022 7:15:48 GMT -6
Agreed: good idea !
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 8, 2022 8:28:26 GMT -6
If it came down to it, there’s a lot of stuff I would sell first for sure. Sell a sta-level and an extra mic and you’re almost all the way there.
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Post by dankin on Oct 8, 2022 9:46:33 GMT -6
If it came down to it, there’s a lot of stuff I would sell first for sure. Sell a sta-level and an extra mic and you’re almost all the way there. Same here. The single best investment I've made. |
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Post by sean on Oct 8, 2022 10:10:29 GMT -6
My next two purchases are going to a set of 3 way monitors (thinking Amphion Two18) and the Trinnov. There's just things about my home space treatment can't fix...I've tried, trust me, and talked to several acousticians about it...I could try a pair of subwoofers as a couple people suggested but considering I'm not tracking anyone at home and just mixing the latency of the Trinnov isn't really an issue. I just have to figure out how to best integrate it into my setup
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2022 23:35:09 GMT -6
Where does trust begin and end with this stuff! Do I trust a Trinnov DSP algorithm to be strapped across my main outputs - whirring away doing it's thing? I think in my case I'll apply the rule "if it 'aint broke - don't fix it" I spent a lot of money treating my mix room and investing in a pair of ATC 25's and mixes translate predictably to the outside world. It depends really and in some cases frequency correction or even time domain correction doesn't help. If you encounter frequency cancellation (which usually happens in the bass region) the only real option is to buy better treatment IME.
In the real world you're very lucky if your room is better than +-5 dB, I spent quite a while with GIK trying to hit a +-3dB target. I have a similar sized room to you with a lot of treatment and my monitors already have boundary correction etc. built into them. Rear ported didn't work in my setup even with Genelec GLM (which does something very similar to Trinnov), the monitor alignment report was mighty cool though..
So the fundamentals still need to be there and I see correction software or HW as the cherry on top. Imaging is a bit tighter, frequency range a bit smoother and with it on I'm +-1.5 dB down to my roll off frequency (38Hz).
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Post by Marco Bremen on Oct 19, 2022 9:14:17 GMT -6
Hello,I have a Trinnov st2 pro with my PSI a17
I am going to add a subwoofer and I have a question
Should I use one of the outputs for the Trinnov to drive the a17s with the subwoofer as a 2.1 or could I still use the stereo output and let the sub do the crossover and the Trinnov see it as a pair of full range monitors?
I think Trinnov would handle the phase and the rest of the correction in the same way, right?
How does it benefit me to do it one way or another?
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2022 9:48:04 GMT -6
Hello,I have a Trinnov st2 pro with my PSI a17 I am going to add a subwoofer and I have a question Should I use one of the outputs for the Trinnov to drive the a17s with the subwoofer as a 2.1 or could I still use the stereo output and let the sub do the crossover and the Trinnov see it as a pair of full range monitors? I think Trinnov would handle the phase and the rest of the correction in the same way, right? How does it benefit me to do it one way or another? Marco I hav not specifically used the Trinnov with a sub, but in general since you have already gone digital I would use the 2.1 out. In theory your giving the DSP a better chance of getting it right near the crossover. One of the biggest problems with Speaker correction is literally fighting the crossover, you have a digital device to correct another filter, your going to do much better having the Trinnov do it all. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 19, 2022 9:56:16 GMT -6
Hello,I have a Trinnov st2 pro with my PSI a17 I am going to add a subwoofer and I have a question Should I use one of the outputs for the Trinnov to drive the a17s with the subwoofer as a 2.1 or could I still use the stereo output and let the sub do the crossover and the Trinnov see it as a pair of full range monitors? I think Trinnov would handle the phase and the rest of the correction in the same way, right? How does it benefit me to do it one way or another? I use a sub too, but I come out digitally from the Trinnov into a Burl B2. Then out to sub/crossover/amp/monitors. Haven’t seemed to have any issues measuring and everything is translating great. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2022 10:02:49 GMT -6
Hello,I have a Trinnov st2 pro with my PSI a17 I am going to add a subwoofer and I have a question Should I use one of the outputs for the Trinnov to drive the a17s with the subwoofer as a 2.1 or could I still use the stereo output and let the sub do the crossover and the Trinnov see it as a pair of full range monitors? I think Trinnov would handle the phase and the rest of the correction in the same way, right? How does it benefit me to do it one way or another? I use a sub too, but I come out digitally from the Trinnov into a Burl B2. Then out to sub/crossover/amp/monitors. Haven’t seemed to have any issues measuring and everything is translating great. Yeah I forgot to add try it both ways and follow rule number one in audio : never knock what works. But in theory it should work better via Trinnov in his case, then again in theory I shouldn’t be here. |
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