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Post by bgrotto on Jul 16, 2022 8:44:51 GMT -6
Very, very compelling thread and product. Thanks for sharing this, @johnkenn and others. Is the Trinnov able to save multiple profiles? Also, because I'm someone who works in a few different rooms, I'd love to hear how easy do you reckon it'd be to move the system between them? I'd love to be able to purchase a unit, save profiles for each room, and have an easy time managing the I/o connections so I can make a Trinnov a part of my traveling rig. Any insights there? Thanks! Yeah. I think it has 4 tabs of presets with 9 slots? So 36 presets slots. Might be more. It’s a big 19” rack computer. Not particularly light. You could easily put it in a gator case. Once you’ve done the measuring, it’s just a matter of connecting the interface into it and then out to the DA or straight to the speakers. So as few as 2 cables. Also, measuring takes about 5 minutes. It’s 3 bursts on each side…and that’s it. No moving around the room like Sonarworks. Awesome, thank you. I'm going to have to look into snagging a unit to demo soon. EDIT: one other thing. Does the 'computer' portion of it run silently? (or at least, very quietly) Last thing I need in my home rig is yet ANOTHER fan adding to the din... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2022 8:46:43 GMT -6
Yeah. I think it has 4 tabs of presets with 9 slots? So 36 presets slots. Might be more. It’s a big 19” rack computer. Not particularly light. You could easily put it in a gator case. Once you’ve done the measuring, it’s just a matter of connecting the interface into it and then out to the DA or straight to the speakers. So as few as 2 cables. Also, measuring takes about 5 minutes. It’s 3 bursts on each side…and that’s it. No moving around the room like Sonarworks. Awesome, thank you. I'm going to have to look into snagging a unit to demo soon. EDIT: one other thing. Does the 'computer' portion of it run silently? (or at least, very quietly) Last thing I need in my home rig is yet ANOTHER fan adding to the din... It does make a sound…but it’s super low. Just sounds like a Dan is lightly running. |
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Post by tasteliketape on Jul 16, 2022 9:26:10 GMT -6
Jfyi , vintage king has a demo unit for sell . Roughly 400$ off .
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Post by gwlee7 on Jul 16, 2022 9:48:11 GMT -6
Awesome, thank you. I'm going to have to look into snagging a unit to demo soon. EDIT: one other thing. Does the 'computer' portion of it run silently? (or at least, very quietly) Last thing I need in my home rig is yet ANOTHER fan adding to the din... It does make a sound…but it’s super low. Just sounds like a Dan is lightly running. How big is your Dan? I bet that makes a big difference in the noise.  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 16, 2022 10:53:06 GMT -6
Man, Dan noise is the biggest problem in my studio ! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 16, 2022 11:38:26 GMT -6
It does make a sound…but it’s super low. Just sounds like a Dan is lightly running. How big is your Dan? I bet that makes a big difference in the noise. Personal question |
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Post by gwlee7 on Jul 16, 2022 11:53:05 GMT -6
How big is your Dan? I bet that makes a big difference in the noise. Personal question Hahaha |
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Post by kristoferharris on Jul 16, 2022 12:08:26 GMT -6
Very, very compelling thread and product. Thanks for sharing this, @johnkenn and others. Is the Trinnov able to save multiple profiles? Also, because I'm someone who works in a few different rooms, I'd love to hear how easy do you reckon it'd be to move the system between them? I'd love to be able to purchase a unit, save profiles for each room, and have an easy time managing the I/o connections so I can make a Trinnov a part of my traveling rig. Any insights there? Thanks! You'd have no trouble with this. One thing to be aware of is if you've got separate profiles for more than one speaker pair and wish to switch/reference between the 2. There's a delay in switching from one profile to another due to the loading time. Probably not an issue for most but I found it too disruptive and just committed to using one set of monitors. |
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Post by kristoferharris on Jul 16, 2022 12:10:15 GMT -6
what is a dan?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2022 13:00:51 GMT -6
I think he meant fan, then it turned into a "personal question" as John stated.
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Post by trakworxmastering on Aug 10, 2022 14:56:59 GMT -6
I had mentioned demoing Dirac Live. I finally got it up and running yesterday as a plugin in PT, with a tweaked tuning that works in my room. It's pretty, pretty, pretty good! No idea how it would compare side by side with a Trinnov, but it fixes some intransigent room issues for me, and the imaging is better. I like it but I dislike the workflow of a plugin. Every time I switch to my other pair of monitors I have to turn it off. Only the DAW gets the Dirac treatment. All other sources - console, turntable, CD player, streaming, etc., don't benefit. So I see the genius of the Trinnov box with AD/DA, as that's the only way I could have the processing on all sources going to one set of speakers without affecting the other set of speakers. I'd love to do that with Dirac and save thousands of dollars. The miniDSP DDRC-24 looks to be the only available box for Dirac with analog I/O. Is that right? I saw ericn said the conversion sucks though. Anyone have any bright ideas? Edit: Oh wait. The miniDSP SHD ($1,299) boasts "Audiophile 32-bit converters" and has XLR I/O. Hmmm... Anyone heard one of these? www.minidsp.com/products/streaming-hd-series/shd?gclid=Cj0KCQjwrs2XBhDjARIsAHVymmRhb1fKN5KLaO7ldBY3Imi_TuJDpgpk8t102fBaf5Gwv4akdulk4FAaAh9uEALw_wcB |
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 10, 2022 15:10:28 GMT -6
I had mentioned demoing Dirac Live. I finally got it up and running yesterday as a plugin in PT, with a tweaked tuning that works in my room. It's pretty, pretty, pretty good! No idea how it would compare side by side with a Trinnov, but it fixes some intransigent room issues for me, and the imaging is better. I like it but I dislike the workflow of a plugin. Every time I switch to my other pair of monitors I have to turn it off. Only the DAW gets the Dirac treatment. All other sources - console, turntable, CD player, streaming, etc., don't benefit. So I see the genius of the Trinnov box with AD/DA, as that's the only way I could have the processing on all sources going to one set of speakers without affecting the other set of speakers. I'd love to do that with Dirac and save thousands of dollars. The miniDSP DDRC-24 looks to be the only available box for Dirac with analog I/O. Is that right? I saw ericn said the conversion sucks though. Anyone have any bright ideas? Edit: Oh wait. The SHD ($1,299) boasts "Audiophile 32-bit converters" and has XLR I/O. Hmmm... Anyone heard one of these? www.minidsp.com/products/streaming-hd-series/shd?gclid=Cj0KCQjwrs2XBhDjARIsAHVymmRhb1fKN5KLaO7ldBY3Imi_TuJDpgpk8t102fBaf5Gwv4akdulk4FAaAh9uEALw_wcBI can use Dirac systemwide on my Mac using an app called Audio Hijack. It's what the Dirac guys recommended. |
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Post by trakworxmastering on Aug 10, 2022 15:21:47 GMT -6
I had mentioned demoing Dirac Live. I finally got it up and running yesterday as a plugin in PT, with a tweaked tuning that works in my room. It's pretty, pretty, pretty good! No idea how it would compare side by side with a Trinnov, but it fixes some intransigent room issues for me, and the imaging is better. I like it but I dislike the workflow of a plugin. Every time I switch to my other pair of monitors I have to turn it off. Only the DAW gets the Dirac treatment. All other sources - console, turntable, CD player, streaming, etc., don't benefit. So I see the genius of the Trinnov box with AD/DA, as that's the only way I could have the processing on all sources going to one set of speakers without affecting the other set of speakers. I'd love to do that with Dirac and save thousands of dollars. The miniDSP DDRC-24 looks to be the only available box for Dirac with analog I/O. Is that right? I saw ericn said the conversion sucks though. Anyone have any bright ideas? Edit: Oh wait. The SHD ($1,299) boasts "Audiophile 32-bit converters" and has XLR I/O. Hmmm... Anyone heard one of these? www.minidsp.com/products/streaming-hd-series/shd?gclid=Cj0KCQjwrs2XBhDjARIsAHVymmRhb1fKN5KLaO7ldBY3Imi_TuJDpgpk8t102fBaf5Gwv4akdulk4FAaAh9uEALw_wcBI can use Dirac systemwide on my Mac using an app called Audio Hijack. It's what the Dirac guys recommended. Thanks. That'd cover DAW and streaming. Console, turntable and CD player are still out in the cold... |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 10, 2022 17:09:11 GMT -6
I’m still waiting for my room to get finished in the next two weeks. Looking forward to re-measuring.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Aug 11, 2022 19:08:23 GMT -6
It feels weird to say that Padgham’s work is underrated and underappreciated, but…yeah, it kinda is. I Don't Care Anymore Phil Collins sounds like it could have been recorded last week. Against All Odds as well. Brilliant. Been looking at this thing thanks to this thread. |
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Post by RealNoob on Aug 11, 2022 21:55:24 GMT -6
Is there a software only (like sonarworks) and also a software/hardware version?
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 12, 2022 8:19:58 GMT -6
Not of the Trinnov. You’re basically buying a computer.
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Post by trakworxmastering on Aug 12, 2022 14:17:53 GMT -6
Is there a software only (like sonarworks) and also a software/hardware version? Yes. Dirac Live. It can be a plugin or an App. And it can be hosted in a HW unit from miniDSP, like the Flex or the SHD. I just ordered an SHD which is their top of line and comes with a perpetual license for Dirac Live software. Around $1300 total. IDK if Trinnov works better, but what I'm hearing from the Dirac plugin is impressive enough for me to buy an SHD! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 12, 2022 22:44:00 GMT -6
Is there a software only (like sonarworks) and also a software/hardware version? Yes. Dirac Live. It can be a plugin or an App. And it can be hosted in a HW unit from miniDSP, like the Flex or the SHD. I just ordered an SHD which is their top of line and comes with a perpetual license for Dirac Live software. Around $1300 total. IDK if Trinnov works better, but what I'm hearing from the Dirac plugin is impressive enough for me to buy an SHD! I’d love to hear a comparison. If Dirac works as well, I’d love to save $3500. |
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 12, 2022 22:55:35 GMT -6
Man...I demoed Dirac this past week and it sounded so bad I’m certain I did something wrong. But I followed the manual instructions to the letter. Any tips on giving it anither go before my 14 day trial is up?
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Post by maldenfilms on Aug 13, 2022 0:04:13 GMT -6
Man...I demoed Dirac this past week and it sounded so bad I’m certain I did something wrong. But I followed the manual instructions to the letter. Any tips on giving it anither go before my 14 day trial is up? I think the key is to make sure the measurements aren't taken too far from each other. Off the top of my head, I don't remember what the manual said for distance, but I saw on a forum that someone from Dirac was talking about for studio usage you don't need to measure from as wide of an area as you might from a couch in an at-home setup. I think I ended up keeping each measurement within about 1-2 feet from the listening spot. Another thing to keep in mind is the axis of the calibration file for your microphone. For the USB mic you can buy for it (the UMIK-1) it's recommended to point the capsule towards the ceiling. My mic (which came with Sonarworks) only had an on-axis calibration file, so I had to point it towards the speakers. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 13, 2022 9:01:14 GMT -6
Man...I demoed Dirac this past week and it sounded so bad I’m certain I did something wrong. But I followed the manual instructions to the letter. Any tips on giving it anither go before my 14 day trial is up? The first time I demo’ed Dirac I my measurements were to far apart and yeah double check the calibration file for the mic. I used my personal Audix / MBHO that I had calibrated. I’ll admit none of these systems is perfect, in some rooms and some speakers the results just sound wrong. |
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Post by trakworxmastering on Aug 13, 2022 9:23:14 GMT -6
Yes. Dirac Live. It can be a plugin or an App. And it can be hosted in a HW unit from miniDSP, like the Flex or the SHD. I just ordered an SHD which is their top of line and comes with a perpetual license for Dirac Live software. Around $1300 total. IDK if Trinnov works better, but what I'm hearing from the Dirac plugin is impressive enough for me to buy an SHD! I’d love to hear a comparison. If Dirac works as well, I’d love to save $3500. So would I! I suppose if I'm dissatisfied with Dirac at some point I might try Trinnov and then have both here to compare. If that happens I'll report back. |
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Post by trakworxmastering on Aug 13, 2022 9:27:07 GMT -6
Man...I demoed Dirac this past week and it sounded so bad I’m certain I did something wrong. But I followed the manual instructions to the letter. Any tips on giving it anither go before my 14 day trial is up? I think the key is to make sure the measurements aren't taken too far from each other. Off the top of my head, I don't remember what the manual said for distance, but I saw on a forum that someone from Dirac was talking about for studio usage you don't need to measure from as wide of an area as you might from a couch in an at-home setup. I think I ended up keeping each measurement within about 1-2 feet from the listening spot. Another thing to keep in mind is the axis of the calibration file for your microphone. For the USB mic you can buy for it (the UMIK-1) it's recommended to point the capsule towards the ceiling. My mic (which came with Sonarworks) only had an on-axis calibration file, so I had to point it towards the speakers. Also, it helps a lot to tweak the response after it creates it's profile. For my room I ended up only processing below 6kHz and raised all the breakpoints a couple dB to even out a level difference between the processed and unprocessed parts of the spectrum. |
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Post by bgrotto on Aug 13, 2022 10:55:25 GMT -6
I used my Sonarworks mic, with the cal file loaded, and took measurements for Dirac at both 90 and 45 degrees. I even kept them both saved so I could a/b them...both sounded awful. Phasey, comb filtered weirdness. Measurements were all within 2-3 feet of my main listening position. Maybe Dirac just isn't for me. Sonarworks works pretty great on my little home setup; enough so that I can reliably mix here despite minimal treatment. Was hoping the phase/timing adjustments of Dirac would be a 'level up' (particularly because my imaging kinda stinks in here). C'est la vie.
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