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Post by scumbum on Mar 22, 2017 22:21:44 GMT -6
If I aint got it in 3 passes...its just physical exercise or sonic masturbation for me.... so I move on to something else and try again. Vocals, its usually 1 take, then a safety.... and I leave it a day, and listen to take 1 and if there is a word or two, pull it in from take 2, if I aint got it out of that, I re sing it. cheers Wiz I used to do TONS and TONS of takes on everything ! Then edit like a mad man . And I'd get perfect boring music that I can't stand to listen to all the way through . Also always used a click track . I did this for years and was always wondering why does the old stuff I made on a 4 track cassette beat out the stuff I now make today on my "PRO" modern setup . I find for me the first few takes have all the energy . If I don't nail it all the way through in like 5 takes , it just ain't gonna work that day , I need more practice . Past 5 takes the energy and vibe are gone . I can get a technically right take if I keep going , but it ain't gonna have the right energy or have repeat listenability . Theres an "In the Zone" vibe during the first few takes that slowly goes away by each take . I find its all about what you do "Before" you hit record thats most important . You gotta get warmed up for your best performance for the day . Its like preparing for a Boxing Match . You get warmed up on whatever instrument you play doing scales/strumming on guitar , drum rudiments on drums ..... Vocals I vocalize for an hour and a 1/2 . Get pumped up , hyped up , like your about to enter the ring ...........also its like a Pitcher in baseball , he doesn't just get off the bench and walk to the mound , hes gotta get warmed up , hes about to close game 7 in the world series ! If after all that warming up and you don't get it in around 5 takes , it just ain't gonna work that day . Spend the rest of your time practicing for the next day . This is just what I found works for me . Instead of spending hours of recording and editing . I spend all my time practicing and warming up preparing to record and spend little time actually recording .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 19, 2017 22:21:27 GMT -6
The craziest thing about Chuck Berry is he always sounded the same no matter how old he got . How many artists in their 70's still sound like they did in their 20's ? He was like a time warp back to the 50's everytime he played .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 19, 2017 10:51:39 GMT -6
I liked the copper a bit more than the Lola on vocals. Gave a little more of a finished sound. It was close though.... Lola probably more versatile overall. You could also get the Lola with the copper opamps rather than 990s. That might be the best of both worlds... I believe there's sound clips of that configuration on their website. Does the Lola have more low end ? Listening to the drum samples on their website the copper seems to have less bass . The Lola seems louder overall too . I wonder if they matched the Lola levels against the element mic pres .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 18, 2017 13:06:28 GMT -6
Which Hairball Mic Pre would you say is the best for vocals ?
Copper is the Neve type , then theres Lola .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 18, 2017 9:47:18 GMT -6
Neumann writes that cheap microphones contain most often electret-condenser-capsules. They prefer true condenser capsules. They wrote that both technologies can sound superb. How can I check which capsule technology is used? shure.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2751/~/type-of-mic-element-in-ksm32,-ksm27,-ksm44 "The KSM32 is an electret design. The KSM44 and KSM27 are an external polarized design ("true condenser"). Well-designed electrets no longer have limited life spans like the original electrets from the 1970s. " The Shure KSM32 sounds great . Problem is electret mics slowly die over time .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 15, 2017 12:20:22 GMT -6
Wiz Rules !!
I already knew that and have the "Wiz Rules" bumper sicker on my car . But I didn't know he also hands out Wombat Stuffed animals !!!! Thats just taking things to a new level . I say we have trump make August 12th National "Wiz Day" here in the USA .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 15, 2017 10:31:43 GMT -6
Thanks scumbum, Johneppstein had me thinking I was a fool for a minute. Well he tries.....you can give him an A for effort , but he usually fails . I know that video I posted is long but if you fast foward to 15:50 , he compares the SM57 with its windscreen vs an SM58 and you can hear the extra pointy sibilance . Its subtle but once you start compressing the vocal , then it really stands out .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 15, 2017 9:27:31 GMT -6
John, I knew they were nearly identical, but in my experience, they don't sound exactly the same. I figured that some small aspect makes them a little different, and for whatever reason, I've been happy with the 58 for miking cabinets. I don't have a 57 at the moment, so my memory could be off too. Have you tried them side by side and found them to sound exactly the same? SM57 and SM58's DO NOT sound the same . Even with the ball top off . SM57 has more bite , brighter and sibilance . SM58 is smoother . I don;t know what that small aspect that makes them different . But I can't get an SM57 to work on vocals for me . It sounds good , but too pointy and sibilant . SM58 , perfect vocal mic , no issues . I've tried everything even had the SM58 balltop put on the SM57 . This guy talks about the differences .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 14, 2017 21:12:23 GMT -6
Listening to the Warbler MKID vs U87 , not too impressed . It doesn't sound bad but it sounds kinda hard and I like the U87 quite a bit more . I think that Samson mic could beat the Warbler in a shoot out . Well there you go. Subjective stuff, this audio business. I prefer the U87 too, just not by a landslide. So on ebay the Warbler MKID is $389 . Just got an email from 3U audio and I can buy a Warbler MKII for US$270 free shipping direct from them . Its tempting because you never really know how a mic will work for you until you try it yourself .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 14, 2017 21:02:42 GMT -6
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Post by scumbum on Mar 14, 2017 20:41:12 GMT -6
Listening to the Warbler MKID vs U87 , not too impressed . It doesn't sound bad but it sounds kinda hard and I like the U87 quite a bit more . I think that Samson mic could beat the Warbler in a shoot out . Well there you go. Subjective stuff, this audio business. I prefer the U87 too, just not by a landslide. It wasn't a landslide . I bet if I didn't hear it side by side against a Vintage U87 I'd be much more impressed . I was expecting it to be hard to hear a difference . Were both vocal tracks level matched ? The U87 sounds more 3-D . The price too is kind of a problem . At the $380 price , theres a LOT of good mics . If the Warbler was $199 , it would be great . Great voice and singing ! Your voice into that U87 is like a time warp back to the 70's . You could pull off a great classic rock album .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 14, 2017 15:02:03 GMT -6
I thought it was a good test . The real amp stood out pretty easily .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 14, 2017 11:02:52 GMT -6
Listening to the Warbler MKID vs U87 , not too impressed . It doesn't sound bad but it sounds kinda hard and I like the U87 quite a bit more .
I think that Samson mic could beat the Warbler in a shoot out .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 13, 2017 21:35:39 GMT -6
Yep , 4 and 6 were the best .
My guess is #4 is the real JTM .
and #6 UAD Marshall .
#5............if thats the real amp it was miced VERY poorly .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 13, 2017 21:24:24 GMT -6
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Post by scumbum on Mar 13, 2017 21:20:00 GMT -6
I cant believe it. Told a friend about the cheap Samson mic which is not bad on vocals and guitars, and the best of it all it has low noise and a high voltage output. Perfect for tracking a low SPL solo guitar picking tune. www.samsontech.com/samson/products/microphones/condenser-microphones/mtr201/He told me to try this one too and gave it to me for a week. www.thomann.de/gb/the_tbone_sc450.htmUnexpected but it is not bad too, works not as low noise as the Samson one, but has nice responsive transients an a nice proximity effect. It should be illegal to produce a good microphone at this low price. Which one do you like better ? The Samson sounds good . I'm loving the AKG P120 (black version) on vocals . Its a little thin , but with a little low mid boost I'm really happy with it . Cheap mics are crazy good these days .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 12, 2017 21:25:13 GMT -6
It was the fashion in the 60's to mix doubles about equal. As a listener, I liked catching phrases in pop hits where the double wasn't perfect, and you realized you were listening to two performances. One example is the out chorus of Leslie Gore's "It's My Party." She does a vocal flourish that's not accurately doubled. Today you'd fix that, but in those days it was probably too hard to get it perfect, likely live bouncing the double to another track or tape deck. The vocal for "Don't Fear The Reaper" is a double, but it's tucked behind the first vocal, for texture primarily. I don't know what the kids are doing today. Maybe someone here can tell me. : ) So the Beatles probably mixed both vocals at an equal level too . They usually always had that doubled vocal sound . I like it when johns vocals don't match up perfectly . Paul seemed to line up both vocal takes really close to each other . i read Bowie could double vocals so close you couldn't tell they were doubled.
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Post by scumbum on Mar 12, 2017 15:42:08 GMT -6
How did they mix doubled vocals back in the 60's and how do they do it today ? Is it common to keep both vocal tracks at the same level ? Or is the doubled turned down a little behind the main vocal ?
It sounds like in the 60's both vocal tracks were kept at the same level ? Correct ?
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Post by scumbum on Mar 11, 2017 21:44:15 GMT -6
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Post by scumbum on Mar 11, 2017 15:44:53 GMT -6
I only need to go like 2 feet .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 11, 2017 15:14:22 GMT -6
How much should I spend on a S/PDIF Cable ? Some people say not much , others say $300 ??
At what price point can I get a high quality S/PDIF cable ?
Jim Williams says $300 , but if your recording rock its not as critical........I'm recording rock....some say its the devils music .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 11, 2017 15:08:19 GMT -6
Hahahaha. Check the 79 dollar Mixbus as well and ask yourself. For me - YES. For the 32C EQs alone. The channel strip of the small one is really good, but the 32C is even better and more versatile with one band more - and the EQs really are very high quality. Also, i really make use of the 12 busses vs. 8 in the small version, that is quite the difference between "yeah, it is enough" and "yeah, it is comfortable" for me. I have both and never looked back to the small version or regretted the buy. Just for mixin time? Sure. Even if you record with your traditional DAW it is so much better and faster to get results in the classy analog style without the drawbacks (and cost) of analog consoles in this range. If you ask me, if you can get similar with saturation plugins, i would say no, the workflow alone leads to faster decisions and speeds up work with great results. Import the clean edited tracks of a project of yours into the demo and and start just looping the song an play around in the console view. And if you are good with the result, compare with your previous mix in your old DAW. No matter what i tried this on, i never got that far in polished sound with plugins, no matter which ones, and by far not in this speed without even thinking in terms like plugins. Faders up and saturate the shit out of it, use the tape sim and inbuild dynamics, which are very easy to setup usefully, of stay cleaner in conventional levels - the mixes i tried it on all came out better against the clean DAW plus quality plugins in a fraction of time. Really, look at the pricing of the UAD 32C, then the feature list of the 32C DAW with as full much channels as your hardware can handle, assume you can even built a rock stable Linux DAW if you wish, and compare prices. Most probably, but this is not out yet, they will have an introductory price. But buying 32C V3 at full pricing and getting 32C V4 for free is for sure still a great offer. People pay so much on plugins with much less usability, invest more time into the mix with things you don't have to think about in Mixbus and still get inferior results... I am cheap and have not much money, but for me this investment was worth it for the fun and good mood at mixing time alone. Much less frustration, many things just work out of the box that i never get totally right in other DAWs, soundwise. And i use so much less plugins, because i can achieve what i want without them... Yeah, sounds like fanboy stuff. But it was an eye opener in the small version, and i jumped into the cold water without demoing for the 299,- but did not regret. Does it make sense? Yes, yes and yes. I still have Mixbus 2.5 that I got when it was on special , I think $20 ? So both versions sound the same ? Only difference is the 32C version has the better EQ ? I only used 2.5 a few times . I keep wanting to switch over !!! I use Pro Tools LE and have the DAW curse where you can't seem to switch over to different DAW . I gotta do it !!! If I got 32C I'd have to upgrade my computer . It needs 4 processors , I only have 2 . It does let you use Windows XP Pro , thats really cool . I can't upgrade my Pro Tools because I'd need Windows 7 . So thats pretty awesome Harrison still supports Windows XP .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 11, 2017 9:57:24 GMT -6
Thanks for the tips !
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Post by scumbum on Mar 10, 2017 23:14:03 GMT -6
I got it in the mail , it works great ! I think I paid $26 shipped . It has wood sides , they aren't vinyl . Sure beats paying $100 or more . Do you mind reviewing it after a few weeks? I also need this functionality to be able to switch between our Sonus Faber and Cabasse systems. Nice find if it works as advertised and quality is ok. It works as advertised and the sound quality is definitely ok . The connector on the back is a little cheap but other than that it sounds good to me . I haven't done an A/B comparison with it in and out of the chain . The connector is cheap so once I got everything set I didn't wanna mess with it too much any more . I have NS10's and infinity primus 360 speakers . The NS10's are not enjoyable to listen to !! Especially when you switch over to the infinity speakers you can really hear it ! I really like these infinity speakers and they are REALLY cheap . You can have pairs of speakers run at the same time by selecting both switches . Is this hard on the amp ? Can it damage the amp ? I would think if it did damage the amp then they wouldn't design it to do this . My review is its cheap !! So pick one up and give it a try . I'm happy with it .
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Post by scumbum on Mar 9, 2017 17:54:43 GMT -6
Is there a website where you can look up an album and it tells you how many they records/CD's they sold ?
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