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Post by winetree on Mar 2, 2017 18:35:38 GMT -6
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Post by papag on Mar 2, 2017 18:53:32 GMT -6
How does this update relate/compare with 32c?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 11:02:37 GMT -6
Mixbus 4 is the successor of Mixbus 3. This is the entry level, but still very good sounding version of Mixbus for $79. (Upgrade price $39)
A lot of new features...
The Mixbus 32C-3 will have it's update on 1st of May, AFAIK.
This is the full-fledged DAW with the Harrison 32C EQ and channel emulation.
I guess they want to see the first bugs been fixed before the update of the pricier "more pro" variant of the DAW. It is clever marketing, too. Many have bought Mixbus 3 and later Mixbus32C-3 when it came out. Those who do not want to wait to use Version 4 features might now upgrade their smaller license now and the 32C license later. If both would have been released the same time, most probably nearly all who have both licenses would just go for the 32C update and omit the other update...
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Post by jdc on Mar 3, 2017 11:08:28 GMT -6
The .ptx integration is intriguing. I bought 32c when it was on sale so I'll most likely wait for the upgrade in may
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 6:38:26 GMT -6
Good, compact and entertaining review of the Mixbus 32C version 3.
Since Harrison listens closely to the community's wishes, there will be some substancial improvements in the 32C version 4, that comes up may 1st, so i guess some of the things that are mentioned about the editing will be taken care of, lots of work has obviously gone into this. AFAIK 32c will have all improvements that the already released Mixbus 4 has, plus a new feature in the 32C channel strip, that has not been revealed yet, looking forward to it.
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 10, 2017 14:11:09 GMT -6
Just saw the layout of a ch strip in mixbus 32c it makes SENSE!!!
Time to use the demo for a while....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 15:20:46 GMT -6
Just saw the layout of a ch strip in mixbus 32c it makes SENSE!!! Time to use the demo for a while.... Might be due to the fact it resembles the 32C analog console strips pretty exactly, not only in sound, but it's workflow too. And the analog console made quite some sense. ;-) Since you are used to work with an analog console, you will like it for mixing, i am pretty sure... |
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 10, 2017 15:39:32 GMT -6
Just saw the layout of a ch strip in mixbus 32c it makes SENSE!!! Time to use the demo for a while.... Might be due to the fact it resembles the 32C analog console strips pretty exactly, not only in sound, but it's workflow too. And the analog console made quite some sense. ;-) Since you are used to work with an analog console, you will like it for mixing, i am pretty sure... 299 Euro just for a mixing DAW wow - is it worth it? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 16:40:12 GMT -6
Hahahaha.
Check the 79 dollar Mixbus as well and ask yourself.
For me - YES.
For the 32C EQs alone. The channel strip of the small one is really good, but the 32C is even better and more versatile with one band more - and the EQs really are very high quality.
Also, i really make use of the 12 busses vs. 8 in the small version, that is quite the difference between "yeah, it is enough" and "yeah, it is comfortable" for me.
I have both and never looked back to the small version or regretted the buy.
Just for mixin time?
Sure. Even if you record with your traditional DAW it is so much better and faster to get results in the classy analog style without the drawbacks (and cost) of analog consoles in this range. If you ask me, if you can get similar with saturation plugins, i would say no, the workflow alone leads to faster decisions and speeds up work with great results. Import the clean edited tracks of a project of yours into the demo and and start just looping the song an play around in the console view. And if you are good with the result, compare with your previous mix in your old DAW.
No matter what i tried this on, i never got that far in polished sound with plugins, no matter which ones, and by far not in this speed without even thinking in terms like plugins. Faders up and saturate the shit out of it, use the tape sim and inbuild dynamics, which are very easy to setup usefully, of stay cleaner in conventional levels - the mixes i tried it on all came out better against the clean DAW plus quality plugins in a fraction of time.
Really, look at the pricing of the UAD 32C, then the feature list of the 32C DAW with as full much channels as your hardware can handle, assume you can even built a rock stable Linux DAW if you wish, and compare prices.
Most probably, but this is not out yet, they will have an introductory price. But buying 32C V3 at full pricing and getting 32C V4 for free is for sure still a great offer. People pay so much on plugins with much less usability, invest more time into the mix with things you don't have to think about in Mixbus and still get inferior results...
I am cheap and have not much money, but for me this investment was worth it for the fun and good mood at mixing time alone. Much less frustration, many things just work out of the box that i never get totally right in other DAWs, soundwise. And i use so much less plugins, because i can achieve what i want without them...
Yeah, sounds like fanboy stuff. But it was an eye opener in the small version, and i jumped into the cold water without demoing for the 299,- but did not regret. Does it make sense? Yes, yes and yes.
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 10, 2017 21:23:50 GMT -6
@smallbutfine
Just toyed around with it for 2 hours and true its fast an intuitive to understand.
But at least on my system its light years away from a working daw.
They have massive problems with the new windows in OSX 10.11.
Seems they do not support the Apple Track pad what absolutely makes no sense at all in daw mixing.
Seems they have massive problems in in scanning AU plug ins, had several crashes and it took three times to scan them all.
I think the idea is tempting but its nothing I could not do in Logic as well.
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Post by mhbunch on Mar 10, 2017 21:46:08 GMT -6
Just demoed V4. Really wanted this to work because I miss the workflow and sound of mixing on an analog console but it's just too weird for me. Back to logic for me
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 23:54:15 GMT -6
I have Mixbus running on Windows 8.1, two machines, last version of Mixbus 32C-3 and it works pretty stable in the meantime. I have another install on a stick with AV Linux, works even better, but at least some plugins i would miss at the moment, so i stay on windows where i have all my other audio software running.
What i do remember now, is, that the new windows in OSx work differently than previous ones and the GUIs of all other platforms and can induce problems and limitations with development of platform independend software. Did not know it was such a problem on OSx, because i do not run Mixbus on it, same for AU plugins. The VST support on windows is pretty good and stable in the meantime, few plugins don't work, but i do not have to rely on much external plugins anyway.
I guess winetree might know more about it, because AFAIK he runs Mixbus on OSx.
Sorry guys, i can't help with that, because i do not run it on all platforms.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 2:19:56 GMT -6
I have Reaper and Mixbuss, but didn't know about this - wonder if it works with other DAW's? Cool or what?
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 11, 2017 2:53:08 GMT -6
I have Mixbus running on Windows 8.1, two machines, last version of Mixbus 32C-3 and it works pretty stable in the meantime. I have another install on a stick with AV Linux, works even better, but at least some plugins i would miss at the moment, so i stay on windows where i have all my other audio software running. What i do remember now, is, that the new windows in OSx work differently than previous ones and the GUIs of all other platforms and can induce problems and limitations with development of platform independend software. Did not know it was such a problem on OSx, because i do not run Mixbus on it, same for AU plugins. The VST support on windows is pretty good and stable in the meantime, few plugins don't work, but i do not have to rely on much external plugins anyway. I guess winetree might know more about it, because AFAIK he runs Mixbus on OSx. Sorry guys, i can't help with that, because i do not run it on all platforms. To be true that does not sound like a DAW which I can use when deadlines are near. Everytime I try MB on Mac its full off small little bugs. I dont see myself buying it at 299,- Its based on ardour, a free DAW, with a new gui and some eqs and mixbus plug ins by Harrison. Logic can be a problem, but it is stable 99% of its working time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 3:45:48 GMT -6
I have Reaper and Mixbuss, but didn't know about this - wonder if it works with other DAW's? Cool or what? I don't think so. This is a specialty of Reaper, the rearoute ASIO output. They built it as an alternative concept to rewire. The principle of routing like this from reaper to mixbus is similar to what is possible in Linux world with Jack and Mixbus. But the interfacing of ReaRoute ASIO driver is bound to Reaper AFAIK. You can interface Reaper with other DAWs like this, too, yepp, but you can not route a non-Reaper DAW to another non-Reaper DAW with ReaRoute. This really IS pretty cool. Reaper is cheap, small, versatile and has a mighty cool functionality set. Connecting like this opens up great possibilities of both DAWs worlds. I also love the Reaper JesuSonic stuff to death. Awesome tools. Actually i use them a lot in Mixbus, hahaha. |
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Post by scumbum on Mar 11, 2017 15:08:19 GMT -6
Hahahaha. Check the 79 dollar Mixbus as well and ask yourself. For me - YES. For the 32C EQs alone. The channel strip of the small one is really good, but the 32C is even better and more versatile with one band more - and the EQs really are very high quality. Also, i really make use of the 12 busses vs. 8 in the small version, that is quite the difference between "yeah, it is enough" and "yeah, it is comfortable" for me. I have both and never looked back to the small version or regretted the buy. Just for mixin time? Sure. Even if you record with your traditional DAW it is so much better and faster to get results in the classy analog style without the drawbacks (and cost) of analog consoles in this range. If you ask me, if you can get similar with saturation plugins, i would say no, the workflow alone leads to faster decisions and speeds up work with great results. Import the clean edited tracks of a project of yours into the demo and and start just looping the song an play around in the console view. And if you are good with the result, compare with your previous mix in your old DAW. No matter what i tried this on, i never got that far in polished sound with plugins, no matter which ones, and by far not in this speed without even thinking in terms like plugins. Faders up and saturate the shit out of it, use the tape sim and inbuild dynamics, which are very easy to setup usefully, of stay cleaner in conventional levels - the mixes i tried it on all came out better against the clean DAW plus quality plugins in a fraction of time. Really, look at the pricing of the UAD 32C, then the feature list of the 32C DAW with as full much channels as your hardware can handle, assume you can even built a rock stable Linux DAW if you wish, and compare prices. Most probably, but this is not out yet, they will have an introductory price. But buying 32C V3 at full pricing and getting 32C V4 for free is for sure still a great offer. People pay so much on plugins with much less usability, invest more time into the mix with things you don't have to think about in Mixbus and still get inferior results... I am cheap and have not much money, but for me this investment was worth it for the fun and good mood at mixing time alone. Much less frustration, many things just work out of the box that i never get totally right in other DAWs, soundwise. And i use so much less plugins, because i can achieve what i want without them... Yeah, sounds like fanboy stuff. But it was an eye opener in the small version, and i jumped into the cold water without demoing for the 299,- but did not regret. Does it make sense? Yes, yes and yes. I still have Mixbus 2.5 that I got when it was on special , I think $20 ? So both versions sound the same ? Only difference is the 32C version has the better EQ ? I only used 2.5 a few times . I keep wanting to switch over !!! I use Pro Tools LE and have the DAW curse where you can't seem to switch over to different DAW . I gotta do it !!! If I got 32C I'd have to upgrade my computer . It needs 4 processors , I only have 2 . It does let you use Windows XP Pro , thats really cool . I can't upgrade my Pro Tools because I'd need Windows 7 . So thats pretty awesome Harrison still supports Windows XP . |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 3:39:22 GMT -6
I have Reaper and Mixbuss, but didn't know about this - wonder if it works with other DAW's? Cool or what? I don't think so. This is a specialty of Reaper, the rearoute ASIO output. They built it as an alternative concept to rewire. The principle of routing like this from reaper to mixbus is similar to what is possible in Linux world with Jack and Mixbus. But the interfacing of ReaRoute ASIO driver is bound to Reaper AFAIK. You can interface Reaper with other DAWs like this, too, yepp, but you can not route a non-Reaper DAW to another non-Reaper DAW with ReaRoute. This really IS pretty cool. Reaper is cheap, small, versatile and has a mighty cool functionality set. Connecting like this opens up great possibilities of both DAWs worlds. I also love the Reaper JesuSonic stuff to death. Awesome tools. Actually i use them a lot in Mixbus, hahaha. This is awesome. Was playing with this a bit more yesterday. Here's an interesting chain - Reaper into Mixbuss via Rearoute, back into Reaper, then that channel out into the Hardware domain via ReaInsert. Talk about sculpting options and flexibility. All the analogue goodness along with the Mixbuss saturation! Can be used to fatten individual tracks, combine tracks to make saturated stems, or turn those stems into a main track. This then can utilise any Reaper / third party plugs either ends of the chain, any Harrison plugs, and any Hardware. Overkill but the option is there. Happy like Pharrell .... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 4:02:42 GMT -6
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Post by popmann on Nov 19, 2017 17:09:26 GMT -6
They finally got tempo mapping. That was a non starter for me before. I'm tempted. As much as Logic has cost me in fucked up sessions and timing lately.....how's the recording PDC and recording compensation? Actually--I'm be very specific--will Voxenego's Latency delay Plug function as intended in it? IF so, it means they're trusting the devloper's reports....if not (it won't work in Cubase) they're smart and running their own test on initiation. That freebie plug works off the principle of lying to the DAW--telling it that it needs a BIG window of latency, but then ONLY delaying it as much as you tell it to. Just curious. I'm so pissed at Apple right now, I'm using an antique Cubase machine to finish this project. Holy SHIT I forgot how long it takes to load samples off magnetic drives....fuck me....  |
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 19, 2017 18:48:32 GMT -6
They finally got tempo mapping. That was a non starter for me before. I'm tempted. As much as Logic has cost me in fucked up sessions and timing lately.....how's the recording PDC and recording compensation? Actually--I'm be very specific--will Voxenego's Latency delay Plug function as intended in it? IF so, it means they're trusting the devloper's reports....if not (it won't work in Cubase) they're smart and running their own test on initiation. That freebie plug works off the principle of lying to the DAW--telling it that it needs a BIG window of latency, but then ONLY delaying it as much as you tell it to. Just curious. I'm so pissed at Apple right now, I'm using an antique Cubase machine to finish this project. Holy SHIT I forgot how long it takes to load samples off magnetic drives....fuck me.... Using Logic is easy as hell I do not understand your probs. Just use the LLM button and lay down your track switch back and listen how it sounds. May lay down a second or third take done... When I first discoverd the LLM I was so happy that I dont have to fumble with direct monitoring in the interface anymore. All native DAWs will serve you recording latency. |
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Post by popmann on Nov 19, 2017 21:46:02 GMT -6
I know you don't. More than ANY workflow feature, the number one job of a recording system is to reproduce accurately. Above ALL others. No workflow enhancement or awesome sounding plug in or ability to FlexPitch&Time ranks anywhere near that. That's all icing if it does that well....but, I won't accept it doing that at the expense of the #1 priority.
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Post by mamm7215 on Nov 20, 2017 1:31:52 GMT -6
Tempo mapping is easy and intuitive in 32C for me. My main DAW is Sonar and I find audiosnap complicated and frustrating. Editing and midi is still better in Sonar for me though although as previously mentioned, I get a mix done much faster in Mixbus. Less second guessing and plugin rolling...
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Post by popmann on Nov 20, 2017 10:41:27 GMT -6
This is the freebie that will tell you if they're trusting the developers: www.voxengo.com/product/latencydelay/It works off the principle of asking for 1ms delay.....and then not actually delaying it except by the amount you specify. If they are testing on initiation like Cubase....this plug in won't work--spin the knob and it will move the track the wrong way because it didn't GIVE it 1ms....then click the plug in off and on with an amount specified....and now it's back in time completely--because, again--it's testing the ACTUAL throughput latency on initiation--ignoring what the developer "ask for". Most apps trust the developer. As someone who has used third party plug ins for as long as he's used DAWs....which at this point is a good long time--if you trust the developers, your compensation WILL be off in every real world mix situation. If you test on initiation, there's only one very specific time when it will be off--reinitiating the plug in will lock it back to sample accuracy. |
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Post by popmann on Dec 9, 2017 11:42:03 GMT -6
Follow up--they DO trust the developers for PDC, per Ben at Harrison.
I've had a single session that got way off....for some reason I've not been able to reproduce....but, I've been using it to track. I actually prefer it to track AUDIO into....it's not so much a "mixing DAW"....and a "MIDI free DAW".
Anyhoo....I bought 32c. Just the fact that I can launch the loopback process at any point, if I suspect it of getting off....I've been mostly using it on the old Windows machine, though it runs smoother on the MacBook, bing simply NEWER....I'd just already switched all the physical connections when I lost confidence in Logic's compensation.
The MCU integration makes sense--it's not as customizable powerful as Cubase, but it beats the piss out of Logic's piss poor "still working just like it did in 1997 when it was called Logic Control by Mackie" mode. I've put in a request on the forum to be able to spill the busses to the MCU faders like you can in the GUI already--that is what I USE Cubase's customization to do (basically)--one button goes to all drum relevant channels.....one to FX....one to all the group busses....etc....stuff that's built into the core workflow of MB32c. Doing the buss assignments with the Vpots means I can import a 32 track audio project and have it all routed in a minute or so--which then, via the spill ALSO organizes the view of the mixers--hit spill on the drum bus and you only see drum faders.....etc. Sweet addition to simply multi select whatever channels and hit "user" and have it put those non contiguous channels on the faders.
Plenty of kludgey stuff, IMO....if you generally build songs with MIDI and fake drums, ignore this product all together. But, as example, I pulled in a client track from 6 years ago....and had bettered my final mix (with some caveats involving automated special FX) in one hour. THAT is the stength--assign the channels properly to busses--adjust the tape VUs individually for each bus....and you're well on your way. The preset "one slider, one knob, three settings" compressor is super functional--I've been able to quickly flatline a vocal or punch up a bass put crack into a snare and control a kick in super short time.
Fun stuff. I've used nearly no plug ins....
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