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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 21, 2024 17:13:19 GMT -6
I know this is going to sound cliche', but if you've never been in a control room with an original, well preserved Ampex 102 mix played through a console, no one could understand the nuances. It's bone chilling; a real wow moment in my life. That said, the digital takes on these gets pretty darn close if you ask me. Close enough to not spend the dollars or the agony of real tape! Are ypu missing anything by not having a real tape machine? No. Think of the most exciting roller coaster you've ever ridden and ask yourself if you'd need to live on that thing everyday if you had to stand in line for 3 hours at a time to do it. Once in awhile it's ok, but these days, it's a novelty. YMMV.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 21, 2024 16:54:00 GMT -6
I love direct bass sounds. This is one of my favorites. This is a great example of how much tone relies on the players hands. The intro is mellow and fat, low even. Then when the rest of the ensamble comes in, it's driven and fat when the player "digs in". Sounds like two different basses but I'd bet my last penny this was all player. I'm guessing the engineer did little more than set the console eq a bit before hitting record. Then what we hear was the original take.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Feb 21, 2024 15:31:19 GMT -6
I agree with Wiz. HP is the key IMO to getting a bass to sit in any genre. I assume you're playing to a track? The song matters more to me than a preconceived magic bass setting. I've learned the hard way there is not one of those. Bass is incredibly difficult to get right. If the bass isnt right, then nothing else works. It's the foundation the house is built on. I've always struggled with bass and still do. It's the ultimate tweaker and listening voice in a recording. Anyone who says they have figured out a magic setting for recording bass on any song, I'd have to question. Start playing, listening and then turn nobs.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 29, 2024 9:31:13 GMT -6
Yeah, mine seems to be as dark as it has ever been. I wish the Mix window had easier to read slots. Maybe a little bigger. But Cubase seems to be the most tweakable outside of Luna...hell, you could probably find a Spongebob theme for Luna. Cubase questions as I think of them: Is there a "favorite" plugin preset? Like in PT, I use Pro-Q3 and the 1178 all the time, so I can click on the insert and those two plugs are available to select in one click instead of drilling down or having to type a few letters. Yes. You can save a "plugin chain" as a preset on the channel window and recall it anytime you want. And furthermore, it will remember how you have each plugin adjusted when you save and name. A real time saver.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 8, 2024 7:35:39 GMT -6
I'd imagine one could get a similar tone using an Ibanez Tube Screamer turned way down then season with delay and verb.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 5, 2024 17:21:44 GMT -6
A lot of people on RGO were early adopters of Apollo and built project and other types of studios around the UA platform. Back then it was cutting edge (near zero latency etc) and the company was FAR different. All the old guys and gals that I knew from there are now gone. Because I started that behemoth Apollo thread on the purple site, I met and got to know a lot of those OG's. Bill Putnam Jr. still owned the company at that time and once called me out the blue one afternoon to chat about how I was liking the Apollo. Just study about that for a minute. An owner of a company calling a nobody like me. He sold the company not long after that call. UA has now been taken over by corporate greed. And such as this whole world we now live in. If we can call it living. It's unrecognizable from just a decade ago. I miss the old school UA. BTW, I still own and love their products. Still use them but I have all I need. They don't bother me and I don't bother them lol. They can do whatever they want IMO. I think Bill Putnam still owns it. They just expanded massively. They have to compete with Waves trying to get money on the back end with hardly any up front and developers whose strategy was sell thousands of copies of low priced, very high quality plugins like Klanghelm and Tokyo Dawn. Waves had to price for their (lack) of quality for a while because their only plugins were from the 90s and early 2000s, i.e the utility plugins and the Renaissance series but their recent utility plugs like Clarity are good. These developers are able to support the plugins because of the numbers. With Plugin Alliance going private equity and just priced for growth before being flipped. Unlike them, Waves made back their initial development cost long ago for most of their popular products as did UA. They're able to drop their prices aggressively to monetize their assets further. You can see U-he do this with the Native Instruments sales and recently a brief 50% sale. You can watch Tokyo Dawn do this much more aggressively than UA. They start out at 50-100 bucks and are often 10 bucks a few years later to sell them to every guitarist instead of a couple of drinks at a bar.
The SHARC chips are underpowered compared to a modern CPU. Weiss saw the writing on the wall and then UAD did too. The Weiss hardware went from 2/3rds of new used to 1/3rd if the seller is lucky.
No he sold it years ago.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 5, 2024 17:20:15 GMT -6
"It’s kind of a no-win situation to please all of us" ALSO KNOWN AS... Kobayashi Maru The Kobayashi Maru is a training exercise in the Star Trek franchise designed to test the character of Starfleet Academy cadets by placing them in a no-win scenario. The Kobayashi Maru test was first depicted in the 1982 film Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, and it has since been referred to and depicted in numerous other Star Trek media. Only Kirk beat it. Yes, I'm a Treky
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jan 5, 2024 12:46:17 GMT -6
A lot of people on RGO were early adopters of Apollo and built project and other types of studios around the UA platform. Back then it was cutting edge (near zero latency etc) and the company was FAR different. All the old guys and gals that I knew from there are now gone. Because I started that behemoth Apollo thread on the purple site, I met and got to know a lot of those OG's. Bill Putnam Jr. still owned the company at that time and once called me out the blue one afternoon to chat about how I was liking the Apollo. Just study about that for a minute. An owner of a company calling a nobody like me. He sold the company not long after that call. UA has now been taken over by corporate greed. And such as this whole world we now live in. If we can call it living. It's unrecognizable from just a decade ago. I miss the old school UA.
BTW, I still own and love their products. Still use them but I have all I need. They don't bother me and I don't bother them lol. They can do whatever they want IMO.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 29, 2023 18:48:44 GMT -6
I hadn't been on GS in 5 years. I know this because they wouldn't let me sign in because... I hadn't been on in 5 years. Didn't matter. A quick browse around and it was unrecogmizable from what I remembered. No harm done. Not my cup of tea anymore.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 29, 2023 12:08:21 GMT -6
All I ask is for a piece of software not to crash. This software is incapable of doing that. what computer and OS are you running? I’m on Cubase 12, and I’ve been hesitant to upgrade to 13 as C12 is running great on my current system. I still go back and forth between 9.5 and 11 (different for certain things). I'm also hesitant to mess with a stable system like you. The old adage, if it ain't broke, dont fix it. My computer is so old I couldn't upgrade if I wanted to lol.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 28, 2023 22:12:37 GMT -6
I really want one of these plug-ins to be the ticket for me and my small, super dead room. I really did not get along with the sonics of Ocean Way, but that was years ago now. A lot of people feel this way about OW, Ragan. It's a tweaker plug and somewhat difficult to operate: certainly a learning curve to it. I've found many uses for it over the years and still use it on every mix. I think it's the best plugin availible honestly. Not paid to say that either.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 28, 2023 21:33:03 GMT -6
Ok, ok, Steiny...I see you. There are some enticing things in this update. Maybe it's time to cut the umbilical on Professional Tools. Here's a cool vocal vid of some of the new stuff... I've been trying to tell for years! Steiny!!
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 28, 2023 21:25:39 GMT -6
Intriguing, JK.. Not clear on how that would work. Send homemade demos? Get Pro versions? You oversee the presentation to the pros? BTW, I'm a HUGE fan of JK as a song writer and vocalist. It's what got me here to RGO off GS in the first place. I'm a huge fan of you both. A rock god and a second to none songwriter who wouldn't sell out and write about trucks..
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 28, 2023 21:11:09 GMT -6
UM17r does it have the brick style or square style Power supply? Would love to see some pictures thanks. Original brick. An early unit.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Oct 8, 2023 13:04:00 GMT -6
Well fellas it's time to sadly shed some weight. I have the following available..
Pro Audio
Burl B2 Bomber ADC (late model purchased 3 years ago new)- $1850 SOLD
Audioscape D-Comp (crying as I type this) $1200
Audioscape SSL4k Comp $600
Heritage Audio DMA 73 $1600
Grace Design m905 DA Converter/Monitor Solution. $2600 (Special RGO price. Someone will thank me for this one) SOLD
Drip Sta Level (professionally built) $1400
Blackspade UM 17-r (Last Oliver A mic and near impossible to find with this original red cap) crying again.. $1600
Instruments
Fender Telecaster 52 Reissue (Blond) with paperwork and tweed case. These are collectors and still selling for 2k online. $1600
Santa Cruz Custom D Acoustic. $7200 new, asking $3200. Killer guitar. SOLD
Gibson J-45 Standard. $1700 SOLD
All above listings are in excellent to mint condition. I've taken great care of all my gear.
Calculated shipping just contact me and we can work it out.
Thanks for looking.
C
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 9, 2023 14:01:36 GMT -6
I'm thinking folks are thinking way more these days about basic needs than anything else. The top Youtube searches recently are for homesteading and gardening videos. People seem to know something major is about to happen and survival instinct is kicking in wether they even realize it or not. Although every singer I've ever recorded has a tendency to, you can't really eat a mic. I'm about on the same page with most of these people who are thinking more about survival than general interests. Those who are trying to run this world are absolute idiots. Let's save our money brethren, hards times are coming and those like nothing this world has ever seen before.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 20, 2022 21:28:16 GMT -6
Hey Cowboy, good to see you! I think the Studio is the best deal. If your current M1 can be used a while longer though, I think Apple will have an M2 chip soon. Yeah, Martin it would be a luxury at this point. I still get by ok but I max out my old box often. There are workarounds but I'd like to be able to just throw on anything and go. I believe I'll wait though like you say. Thanks.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 7, 2022 8:43:15 GMT -6
Thanks for the replies, guys! I'll look into that studio version JK.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Dec 6, 2022 16:54:47 GMT -6
Hey guys, I'm thinking on upgrading my mac mini. The M1 chip seems to be about 2 year old technology. Any word on whether Apple intends to roll out something better in the near future? I'd hate to drop 1500 bucks on something and two weeks later they roll out a faster option for the same price. Any input would be appreciated.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 16, 2022 7:16:56 GMT -6
I've never used a summing mixer but for years I used a console to "sum" through. It was the best music I ever made sonically. I have a theory on that. First, I think there's no way to mimic cross talk in a center section digitally. Or maybe there is but I haven't heard it. It's something that when you hear it and all the harmonics it creates, it just makes you feel the music down to the bone. Hard to explain. Second, during that time I thought about making music 24/7 and was way more dedicated to the craft. Made a little jingle here and there and was happy doing it. So maybe that was the secret sauce. But I doubt it. I still know what I knew then and I can't get to the same place with digital. Some people can, I can't. What changed? Why did you give it up? Laziness, recall (too much fiddling with old tracks), no good reason really. I still have the console and it is now a coffee cup holder. Back then I recorded a song from start to finish, mixed it, printed it and out it went. Don’t have the same discipline these days.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 16, 2022 7:09:01 GMT -6
But you're summing in the box, aren't you? And using some plugins? I like your and cowboy's posts a lot, either way. In the box / Analog / Digital / hybrid / Out of the Box descriptions are becoming increasingly meaningless as specific terminology. Even engineers can't keep them straight. Don't know why but I've always been sort of a purist about "definitive meaning." It's fun at parties, let me tell you (for me, only.) Distortion in general, second / third order harmonics, "positive phase", crosstalk or "spillage", imbalances, noise etc. that's what we all really mean. Quite of a few of us like a bit a bit of extra treacle in our puddings. Some look at it as a negative but often it isn't, straight up comb filtering / samples out of delay / mic's incorrectly positioned etc. that's not good but a none linear EQ? It can work wonders.. It's why copying and pasting a guitar track (L/R) sounds rubbish whilst the timing / frequency nuances between two guitars tracked one after the other and then panned L/R sounds good. Also it's good reference for mid (bass / kick etc.) side (guitars / synths etc.) imbalances causing impact on a stereo field.
Sometimes one clips a circuit and it sounds horrible (usually transistors / odd harmonics), sometimes we want harmonic distortion (soft clipping like tube saturation / usually even harmonics). All these buzz words like depth / 3D etc. is one of these components mentioned here, any traditionally trained audio engineer should know how to manipulate these fundamentals to their advantage.
The thing about ITB, close mic'ing with a single mic and running it direct to a converter with an analog signal path that has 125dB's worth of dynamic range (which will be affected by other measurements like SNR) and a THD of something like 0.00000?!& is you'll have none of this. Then you've got rely on plugins to put back in what's missing (if that's the goal).. IME that's always been a bit of a mixed bag and a lot more effort.
Anyway in terms of plugs I don't use many like 5(ish)? HW / EQ / compression / effects are all outboard. I do sum internally yes but after the track is thrown through a dishwasher (HW mastering chain). My point is there's too many nuances, interactions and changes throughout a large chain for this stuff to be individually noticeable. If all you've got is an interface / pre-amp and summing mixer then it might be more apparent, that being said a lot of the summing mixers I've used didn't make tha much of a difference. Ironically the uber clean high headroom SSL Big Six did more to a track than some of the bigger transformer based consoles I've come across.
It was extremely apparent as well, I used an MOTU to feed every channel so the SSL's conversion had nothing to do with it. Still sounded the same.. This is what makes audio purchases so damn frustrating, you really never know how it's going to turn out. Like ever..
This is the best post I’ve ever read to explain what I meant in my earlier post.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 15, 2022 14:45:38 GMT -6
I've never used a summing mixer but for years I used a console to "sum" through. It was the best music I ever made sonically. I have a theory on that. First, I think there's no way to mimic cross talk in a center section digitally. Or maybe there is but I haven't heard it. It's something that when you hear it and all the harmonics it creates, it just makes you feel the music down to the bone. Hard to explain. Second, during that time I thought about making music 24/7 and was way more dedicated to the craft. Made a little jingle here and there and was happy doing it. So maybe that was the secret sauce. But I doubt it. I still know what I knew then and I can't get to the same place with digital. Some people can, I can't.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 15, 2022 14:34:46 GMT -6
Looks like they've been recording in the garage and splashed used motor oil during a change.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 15, 2022 14:19:26 GMT -6
Looking to replace my 2A clone.. On the menu thus far is: Retro Sta-Level Highland BG2 Buzz Essence Chandler RS124 Thoughts? I've owned the Retro, Highland and Chandler. All around the Retro wins for me because of ease of use. You just can't make it sound bad and it's set and forget. The Chandler is finicky to setup but sounds great. Highland is the least favorite. Just never clicked for me. Great on drums though.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Jun 6, 2022 9:29:10 GMT -6
I'm a Fab Filter guy for years. Easy to set and it works without too much degradation. Used others but always go back to this.
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