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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 18, 2018 4:50:25 GMT -6
It was just a joke and play on words: Hedd and Quattro: nothing to see here folks: let’s move along
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Post by roundbadge on Jun 18, 2018 4:57:02 GMT -6
I’m waiting for roundbadge thoughts on the Hedd quantum The delivery date keeps getting pushed. I ordered it last October. Since January VK kept telling me literally “two more weeks”. Last email said “late July”. Total Weirdness as they’ve already delivered a bunch of units.Wtf. The original plan months ago was to shootout the Dangerous AD/DA,Quantum and my Burl stuff. Tick tock...
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Post by roundbadge on Jun 18, 2018 4:59:02 GMT -6
It was just a joke and play on words: Hedd and Quattro: nothing to see here folks: let’s move along Ah sorry my morning fog lol
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 18, 2018 5:02:43 GMT -6
I’m waiting for roundbadge thoughts on the Hedd quantum The delivery date keeps getting pushed. I ordered it last October. Since January VK kept telling me literally “two more weeks”. Last email said “late July”. Total Weirdness as they’ve already delivered a bunch of units.Wtf. The original plan months ago was to shootout the Dangerous AD/DA,Quantum and my Burl stuff. Tick tock... I want to hear about that shootout!
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Post by roundbadge on Jun 18, 2018 9:42:06 GMT -6
The delivery date keeps getting pushed. I ordered it last October. Since January VK kept telling me literally “two more weeks”. Last email said “late July”. Total Weirdness as they’ve already delivered a bunch of units.Wtf. The original plan months ago was to shootout the Dangerous AD/DA,Quantum and my Burl stuff. Tick tock... I want to hear about that shootout! Looks like late July,when the quantum actually ships.
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Post by bram on Jun 18, 2018 21:53:28 GMT -6
Wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the CAPI SumBus thread... Little bit of column A, column B question. So why not here.
The center of my studio is a BF Apollo 8. I'll be picking up at least 8 channels of the CAPI SB when it's released and will need more channels, so I grabbed a Silverface Apollo 16 for a great price and purchased a bunch of Burr Brown op amps to do the DIY upgrade, which are sitting on the bench awaiting installation.
I've been plenty happy with the BF Apollo 8 sound and only recently became aware of how keen folks are over at the purple place (and beyond) to bash the Apollo converter quality. "It's !%#@$% prosumer bro!!!!"
Up to this point, I've been almost entirely ITB other than going through the AD once for the initial recordings. Now that my outboard gear is racking up (pun intended??) and with the SumBus not far off, I'll be making more trips in and out of the Apollos. Would I be better served in the long run grabbing a better quality set of converters? The Metric Halo LIO has been looking mighty attractive for 8 channels of ADAT+master clock into the Apollo 8. I would be sacrificing the extra I/O from the SF Apollo 16 which would go to a new home if I went with something like the LIO.
On the other hand, with the Apollo 16 I could do 16 channels of the SumBus...
What would have more impact on the overall production quality from the initial recording to the final mix: Less channels with better converters, or weaker converters with more OTB summing channels during mixing?
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Post by wiz on Jun 18, 2018 22:07:37 GMT -6
Wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the CAPI SumBus thread... Little bit of column A, column B question. So why not here. The center of my studio is a BF Apollo 8. I'll be picking up at least 8 channels of the CAPI SB when it's released and will need more channels, so I grabbed a Silverface Apollo 16 for a great price and purchased a bunch of Burr Brown op amps to do the DIY upgrade, which are sitting on the bench awaiting installation. I've been plenty happy with the BF Apollo 8 sound and only recently became aware of how keen folks are over at the purple place (and beyond) to bash the Apollo converter quality. "It's !%#@$% prosumer bro!!!!" Up to this point, I've been almost entirely ITB other than going through the AD once for the initial recordings. Now that my outboard gear is racking up (pun intended??) and with the SumBus not far off, I'll be making more trips in and out of the Apollos. Would I be better served in the long run grabbing a better quality set of converters? The Metric Halo LIO has been looking mighty attractive for 8 channels of ADAT+master clock into the Apollo 8. I would be sacrificing the extra I/O from the SF Apollo 16 which would go to a new home if I went with something like the LIO. On the other hand, with the Apollo 16 I could do 16 channels of the SumBus... What would have more impact on the overall production quality from the initial recording to the final mix: Less channels with better converters, or weaker converters with more OTB summing channels during mixing? Everything you have heard me do over the last say 3 years on the MOTU 16A has had at least this conversion process... I track and record at 48K 24 bit ( I dither going to each hardware out) 1. Capture 2. reamp 3 Stereo bus 4 Sometimes Mastering has another AD DA So every track goes through at least 3 sometimes 4 AD DA conversions. This used to be an issue for me with older convertors, not with the MOTU 16A its not even a problem. Cheers Wiz
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 19, 2018 10:43:04 GMT -6
Wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the CAPI SumBus thread... Little bit of column A, column B question. So why not here. The center of my studio is a BF Apollo 8. I'll be picking up at least 8 channels of the CAPI SB when it's released and will need more channels, so I grabbed a Silverface Apollo 16 for a great price and purchased a bunch of Burr Brown op amps to do the DIY upgrade, which are sitting on the bench awaiting installation. I've been plenty happy with the BF Apollo 8 sound and only recently became aware of how keen folks are over at the purple place (and beyond) to bash the Apollo converter quality. "It's !%#@$% prosumer bro!!!!" Up to this point, I've been almost entirely ITB other than going through the AD once for the initial recordings. Now that my outboard gear is racking up (pun intended??) and with the SumBus not far off, I'll be making more trips in and out of the Apollos. Would I be better served in the long run grabbing a better quality set of converters? The Metric Halo LIO has been looking mighty attractive for 8 channels of ADAT+master clock into the Apollo 8. I would be sacrificing the extra I/O from the SF Apollo 16 which would go to a new home if I went with something like the LIO. On the other hand, with the Apollo 16 I could do 16 channels of the SumBus... What would have more impact on the overall production quality from the initial recording to the final mix: Less channels with better converters, or weaker converters with more OTB summing channels during mixing? Nah, you'll be fine with the SF16 I think. I'd use that as your output to the Sumbuss really. more channels! However, it couldn't hurt to later get a nicer AD for just the stereo out like a Burl, BLA, Dangerous, whatever. That's what Id do. Im hoping to use the OrionHD with my sumbus.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 19, 2018 11:16:24 GMT -6
Apollo’s arrived today! Now to move some gear around and make room for them, and repatch outboard...time consuming...excited to get going here!
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Post by Quint on Jun 19, 2018 11:31:03 GMT -6
For those of you wanting Apollo workflow but the sonics of a different converter, why not just pick up a used SF Apollo Quad on the cheap and then just run whatever converters you want in via adat? What do used SF Quad Apollos go for these days? Maybe a $1000? I mean, a used Quad Satellite goes for $500 these days. A SF Quad Apollo wouldn't be much more. Don’t really want to put $1000 into old tech. I hear you, but it's not old tech anymore than the BF Apollo is old tech, at least as far as the dsp is concerned. That's the same quad in the SF and the BF. The old tech converters in the SF are a moot point, as I was just making a suggestion based on the desire some people have to use realtime UAD with non-Apollo conversion. SF quads can be picked up cheaper than BF quads.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 19, 2018 12:24:21 GMT -6
When I finally find a different interface, I'd buy a second UAD satellite for dsp. Keeping the Apollo 8 with its four preamps might come in handy one day though. I like the 2, 3 or 4 drum mic techniques, and using the Apollo with one of the preamp sims might come in handy if I ever track a band again. By the time I do that, I'll probably just get a board again, ha!
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Post by Guitar on Jun 19, 2018 18:02:21 GMT -6
I don't think ANYONE will confuse me for a fan of UA....and yes--a remote band/drum kit tracking is THE use this system, IMO. Rack with 2 Apollo 8pre.....couple grand in plug ins....specially--unison Neve and API channels, Oceanway Room, SPL Transsient Designer, IBP....maybe a La3a for the kick....EMT Plate....maybe an Unison Ampeg for the Bass DI.....anyway--a rack with those two units and a MacBook sitting on top of it....is your remote rig. You know--an an entire van full of cables and stands and mics. That is barre none, THE slickest solution for remote recording. And to temper that I would also NOT use that to mix. You CAN....but, I'm saying as a remote band tracking rig--that's stellar, as a mix rig? Ehh. It will do because others will attest, I'm not that picky. ....but, there's nothing terribly efficient or slick about hamfisted $4k DSP flying tons of channels of HD audio over thunderbolt and increasing the latency of the whole system by what I'll just call the very scientific "a shit ton", only to run out of juice before your $300 intel middle of the road CPU does. If that's the gig, this is the tool. That was my primary usefulness for the Apollo... tracking drums with Unison preamps (Neve 1073 channel). UA has a bunch of cool videos about this. The best one was probably the in-depth thing with whatever that guy's name is from Studio G in Brooklyn, they really broke it down. Jun 11, 2018 14:18:35 GMT -4 swurveman said:brenta AvatarJun 11, 2018 10:52:08 GMT -4 brenta said:This why I use it and I'm surprised more engineers haven't caught on. It's a great (and less expensive) alternative to PTHD. I don't track through plugins much, usually just the UAD preamp emulations, sometimes reverbs or a compressor for tone. The big advantage for me is the near zero latency of direct monitoring. Even the lowest buffer setting can have too much latency for some musicians. Then there's overdubs. I can have a 50+ track session loaded with plugins and track overdubs with near zero latency. With native systems I would have to disable a ton of plugs to do that.It depends upon the system. I have two RME AES-32 PCIe cards and have no latency during tracking and don't have to disable any plugins when doing overdubs. The crux of this for me is "Depends on the System" I just did a test I've been meaning to do for a long time. I chose a plugin that exists both native and UAD, in this case the Alpha Compressor from Elysia. I'm using a Presonus Quantum at 128 buffer with an i7 4790K CPU. I ran about 10 audio tracks on a loop and then started inserting plugins. I got about 200+ Alpha Compressors on my i7 CPU in Cubase, filled up the entire screen basically. The UAD Quad Satellite was able to load EIGHT I repeat, 8 instances of the same plugin. That's a factor of 20x or 30x efficiency in favor of the native rig. Anyway, I sold my Apollos and now I'm on a UAD satellite because I bought a bunch of UAD plugins. I still think the UAD analog emulations are among the best in the business, so I am willing to pay a little extra, for crappy DSP. Almost treat it like a "digital lunchbox" when counting instances of "heavy" plugins. I guess to me it's still sort of worth it for the sound. Presonus Quantum, by the way, I prefer the workflow over any interface I have ever owned. Sound quality is superb as well. I never really did have a problem with Apollo sonics, I just got tired of the interface and the expense of the units. If some converters out there are an A+ I would say the Apollo is a strong A- or maybe even almost an A in some cases. I had MK I silver ones, by the way.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 21, 2018 5:11:15 GMT -6
I ran some audio through the BF Apollo with just headphones on. Electric Gtr direct Hi-Z and hooked up an old 414, and sang into it for a little while. Sounds damn fine enough for me, I am actually surprised that I can use it on it's own, haven't hooked it up to the Dbox yet, not sure I have to. Now on to mix a little. Still reconfiguring rack, but could't wait, just plugged that sucker in, had to try it out first. Seems very easy, I'm new to the console 2.0, but it looks self explanatory.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 21, 2018 5:56:13 GMT -6
I think you will find the dbox more linear but arguably the apollo more euphonic: depends what sound you want to mix into ? Enjoy !
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Post by bram on Jun 23, 2018 21:48:22 GMT -6
Nah, you'll be fine with the SF16 I think. I'd use that as your output to the Sumbuss really. more channels! However, it couldn't hurt to later get a nicer AD for just the stereo out like a Burl, BLA, Dangerous, whatever. That's what Id do. Im hoping to use the OrionHD with my sumbus. Does the quality of the 2-Bus AD become a more important consideration when running a full bandwidth signal (ex. A full mix) vs individual elements? I guess I’m thinking about this from a weakest-link perspective, in other words, what is the point of going back into a higher quality AD converter if the 16 channels of DA are of lesser quality?
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Post by ragan on Jun 23, 2018 21:52:14 GMT -6
I ran some audio through the BF Apollo with just headphones on. Electric Gtr direct Hi-Z and hooked up an old 414, and sang into it for a little while. Sounds damn fine enough for me, I am actually surprised that I can use it on it's own, haven't hooked it up to the Dbox yet, not sure I have to. Now on to mix a little. Still reconfiguring rack, but could't wait, just plugged that sucker in, had to try it out first. Seems very easy, I'm new to the console 2.0, but it looks self explanatory. It's a good box! Enjoy.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 23, 2018 23:28:30 GMT -6
Nah, you'll be fine with the SF16 I think. I'd use that as your output to the Sumbuss really. more channels! However, it couldn't hurt to later get a nicer AD for just the stereo out like a Burl, BLA, Dangerous, whatever. That's what Id do. Im hoping to use the OrionHD with my sumbus. Does the quality of the 2-Bus AD become a more important consideration when running a full bandwidth signal (ex. A full mix) vs individual elements? I guess I’m thinking about this from a weakest-link perspective, in other words, what is the point of going back into a higher quality AD converter if the 16 channels of DA are of lesser quality? Well we all aren't made if money so compromise is somewhere. That said as you got a 16ch sb2 I'd use as many channels into that as possible. That way your getting more analog goodness summing. Then you want to capture that analog goodness as best as possible. So for me it makes sense to get a decent DA with more channels but a really great stereo AD to capture the mix from the analog mixer as best as possible. You can always upgrade the DA later but to start I think you're well on your way to a great setup
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 24, 2018 6:17:24 GMT -6
The apollo bf 16 has more than decent da to begin with, top of the line but not the Sabre but we can all chase newer releases and that never stops
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