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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 12, 2018 18:33:17 GMT -6
FWIW, I’m not advocating Apollo over Symphony. The Apollo workflow is just far superior if using it for headphone cues, near no latency monitoring etc... I love the sound of Symphony. But I’ll also note that each converter has its strengths and weaknesses while both being excellent. Symphony is a bit more open and a tad softer and more rounded in some ways - but there’s a trade off for that. Especially in the low frequencies. The Apollo mkii low end is nice and fat but tighter and more desirable to me. Sits in a commercial mix easier for me. Likewise Burl and Hilo are very different. I love the Burl for tracking and getting those rounded softer transients, but for Mix Buss and DA monitoring, the honesty and unhyped Hilo is almost always more preferable to me. All great units, each with their own strengths My goodness, it’s like I can almost hear what you describe. I will see what my dedicated Dangerous converters do, I’m still going Burl regardless for my 2 A/D tracking duties!
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Post by drsax on Jun 12, 2018 20:48:41 GMT -6
My goodness, it’s like I can almost hear what you describe. I will see what my dedicated Dangerous converters do, I’m still going Burl regardless for my 2 A/D tracking duties! Yeah, the Burl AD is so sweet. I also dig the sound of my rig clocked to the Burl
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 12, 2018 22:53:02 GMT -6
I really like the Dangerous A/D convert +, that emphasis knob is a nice sweetener! It really sounds killer on E. guitars Voice, everything really! Curious how it compares with the Burl? This was my initial plan, to go Burl A/D & Dangerous D/A. However, I have not used it yet to run my mixes through. I still need more I/O to get my Dangerous 2 buss+ happening and an outboard configuration rework, a patchbay...Just short of a couple more pieces to be where I want to be. Converters are the next step, but I might just get something used now to bridge the gap until the new boxes come out, then I will knock it out of the park!
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Post by reddirt on Jun 13, 2018 2:28:31 GMT -6
No mention of Prism or Metric Halo in any of these discussions - just throwing it out there. Cheers, Ross
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 13, 2018 8:42:25 GMT -6
guitfiddler, I'd be interested to know how the Dangerous A/D + compares to the Burl. Depending on what UAD does with the next series of Apollo's, the idea of my Stam SA73 preamp to a Burl A/D, then the Apollo work environment and then maybe the Pro-ject D/A might be kind of cool on a somewhat attainable budget.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 13, 2018 12:34:58 GMT -6
guitfiddler, I'd be interested to know how the Dangerous A/D + compares to the Burl. Depending on what UAD does with the next series of Apollo's, the idea of my Stam SA73 preamp to a Burl A/D, then the Apollo work environment and then maybe the Pro-ject D/A might be kind of cool on a somewhat attainable budget. Well, I’m doing it! Apollo’s 8p & 16! I am pretty stoked! I am very curious about the Burl vs my Dangerous stuff...I will know someday soon, because that is part of the plan!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 13, 2018 12:37:16 GMT -6
nice: 24 channels; 2 quads, plus your satellite, 8 unison pres, 4 headphones out all over 1 t bolt cable: powerful and mobile !
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 13, 2018 12:39:13 GMT -6
nice: 24 channels; 2 quads, plus your satellite, 8 unison pres, 4 headphones out all over 1 t bolt cable: powerful and mobile ! Exactly what I was searching for and a killer deal!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 13, 2018 13:30:30 GMT -6
Go get em' guitfiddler!
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Post by drsax on Jun 13, 2018 15:28:00 GMT -6
guitfiddler, I'd be interested to know how the Dangerous A/D + compares to the Burl. Depending on what UAD does with the next series of Apollo's, the idea of my Stam SA73 preamp to a Burl A/D, then the Apollo work environment and then maybe the Pro-ject D/A might be kind of cool on a somewhat attainable budget. Well, I’m doing it! Apollo’s 8p & 16! I am pretty stoked! I am very curious about the Burl vs my Dangerous stuff...I will know someday soon, because that is part of the plan! Sweet!!!! Once you get it and get settled in, let us know how you like it guitfiddler - congrats!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2018 16:20:41 GMT -6
i've been travelling and using the Apollo twin for a couple of months with great results. It seems to work flawless.
I had read the DA on the 16 channel is "upgraded", previously owned the chunky symphony mk1 with the fan issues etc.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 13, 2018 16:28:10 GMT -6
The da in the apollo 16 mkii was the top of the line the company made at the time. The 8 had the same AD but it’s DA was second from top of the line.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 13, 2018 18:21:27 GMT -6
I’m waiting for roundbadge thoughts on the Hedd quantum
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 13, 2018 19:14:29 GMT -6
I’m waiting for roundbadge thoughts on the Hedd quantum he’ll probably tells us 4 conflicting things and my head will hurt !
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Post by drsax on Jun 13, 2018 19:21:34 GMT -6
I’m waiting for roundbadge thoughts on the Hedd quantum ooh... 50 channels of Quantum... I could go for that. Wait... I could buy a small house for that much. Hah!! Seriously though - I’ll also be curious of Hunter’s thoughts on the Quantum as I know he knows the Burl ADDA inside out.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 13, 2018 20:43:29 GMT -6
Still loving my Metric Halo LIO-8 over here. I have 8 pres installed for when I need them, which sound great on classical or jazz gigs, and I love them on ribbons. External pres for everything else. The MH Console is great and easy to use. The Monitor Controller is really good. HaloVerb is an adequate reverb for cue mixes when tracking. The new 3D upgrade looks really nice, as well, and expands I/O considerably. And I'll say this: I appreciate not having to think about mkII or mkIII or whatever. It's nice to be able to upgrade a box (in the field, no less) rather than tossing the whole box out and replacing it with an entirely new unit every 4 yrs.
I just realized how much I sound like a MH fanboy. I'm not sure the world needs any more of those. But I do really appreciate this box.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 13, 2018 21:17:17 GMT -6
I’m waiting for roundbadge thoughts on the Hedd quantum ooh... 50 channels of Quantum... I could go for that. Wait... I could buy a small house for that much. Hah!! Seriously though - I’ll also be curious of Hunter’s thoughts on the Quantum as I know he knows the Burl ADDA inside out. I’m gonna look into the Solaris
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Post by Drew @ UA on Jun 14, 2018 4:43:30 GMT -6
I also want to point out, for the record, that an Apollo system is capable of workflows that previously you WOULD need a TDM system for....I just nearly never see them being used that way. This why I use it and I'm surprised more engineers haven't caught on. It's a great (and less expensive) alternative to PTHD. I don't track through plugins much, usually just the UAD preamp emulations, sometimes reverbs or a compressor for tone. The big advantage for me is the near zero latency of direct monitoring. Even the lowest buffer setting can have too much latency for some musicians. Then there's overdubs. I can have a 50+ track session loaded with plugins and track overdubs with near zero latency. With native systems I would have to disable a ton of plugs to do that. brenta, I'd say quite a few engineers have caught on!! Glad you're enjoying your UA system!
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Post by jin167 on Jun 14, 2018 5:28:40 GMT -6
A well respected mastering engineer (whom I won't name but I'm willing to bet you have heard of his name) just gave his thoughts on the new HEDD Q.
Basically he wasn't able to hear any meaningful difference between his prism lyra2 and the new HEDD.
Subtle differences here and there but they are close to the point where he will have a hard time passing a blind test.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 14, 2018 7:10:42 GMT -6
I think you're letting this paralyze you. I - for one - wouldn't go with a Blackface Apollo at this point...I would guess a new one is close. I guess paralysis has set me back because after using my Dangerous Convert A/D+ to track with, I just couldn’t use my Apogee Symphony anymore, I have never heard such a big difference in quality!! Usually you hear small differences, this could not be overlooked. Then I ran into aggregate device trouble and it wouldn’t sync with my Dangerous Source. then routing issues running Apogee Symphony with my Convert. It was just so much better that it seriously psychologically put me into a state of lull to where I felt so compelled to take my Symphony out of the loop. I postponed 3 projects and put my own project on hold to the point to where I just thought the only way I’m going to be happy was to make a decision soon or just start selling things and go Radar or Burl mothership! Well, then I got to thinking about how I hated the workflow. I knew that the Apollo was the workflow solution, but that I was looking to the Apogee for the sound. I had to compromise because the time was to get out of my lull and get to work on these projects. My bass player was in back surgery with a very invasive back procedure with 6-10 weeks recovery time. I decided since we weren’t gigging, or recording I would just push all my projects back and just wait it out. I’m just settling with what I know will work for me. I’m done playing the game, time to get to work and do the best I can do with I think the best workflow outside of just going back to all outboard. The hybrid setup is a very complex network, and I am in the process of simplying it and making it work in my setup. Did I want to go UA Apollo? yes and no. Did I want to go Apogee? Yes and No. Now I can at least get to work and put this to bed. I will upgrade again probably when all the new usb-c interfaces come out, in which I will then need a new computer anyway. As of now, I feel very satified with my decision. With the Convert and Burl A/D and a high end monitoring D/A...I’m set, plus it is a great mobile rig too! Thank you all for your help and I couldn’t belong to a better community of talented, and really cool people. Time to get to work.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 14, 2018 8:18:43 GMT -6
I think you're letting this paralyze you. I - for one - wouldn't go with a Blackface Apollo at this point...I would guess a new one is close. I guess paralysis has set me back because after using my Dangerous Convert A/D+ to track with, I just couldn’t use my Apogee Symphony anymore, I have never heard such a big difference in quality!! Usually you hear small differences, this could not be overlooked. Then I ran into aggregate device trouble and it wouldn’t sync with my Dangerous Source. then routing issues running Apogee Symphony with my Convert. It was just so much better that it seriously psychologically put me into a state of lull to where I felt so compelled to take my Symphony out of the loop. I postponed 3 projects and put my own project on hold to the point to where I just thought the only way I’m going to be happy was to make a decision soon or just start selling things and go Radar or Burl mothership! Well, then I got to thinking about how I hated the workflow. I knew that the Apollo was the workflow solution, but that I was looking to the Apogee for the sound. I had to compromise because the time was to get out of my lull and get to work on these projects. My bass player was in back surgery with a very invasive back procedure with 6-10 weeks recovery time. I decided since we weren’t gigging, or recording I would just push all my projects back and just wait it out. I’m just settling with what I know will work for me. I’m done playing the game, time to get to work and do the best I can do with I think the best workflow outside of just going back to all outboard. The hybrid setup is a very complex network, and I am in the process of simplying it and making it work in my setup. Did I want to go UA Apollo? yes and no. Did I want to go Apogee? Yes and No. Now I can at least get to work and put this to bed. I will upgrade again probably when all the new usb-c interfaces come out, in which I will then need a new computer anyway. As of now, I feel very satified with my decision. With the Convert and Burl A/D and a high end monitoring D/A...I’m set, plus it is a great mobile rig too! Thank you all for your help and I couldn’t belong to a better community of talented, and really cool people. Time to get to work. I thought you said you had AD16 & DA16s? Didn’t know you ever had a symphony. Anyway, yes, there would be a big difference in sound quality considering those are decades of development apart. Let me know if you’re interested in a Burl B2
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 14, 2018 9:30:38 GMT -6
Guitfiddler, you have both a Dangerous Convert A/D + AND a Burl Bomber A/D?
If you do, which is your preference for vocals and guitars?
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Post by bigbone on Jun 14, 2018 11:12:20 GMT -6
What i like to see it's a real step by step session how a Apollo workflow work, i see a lot of video about what's the interface how many I/O, but that's not a session as how the console work when you track. that would be nice.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 14, 2018 11:36:30 GMT -6
Pro tools expert has a couple of videos like that ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 14, 2018 11:37:23 GMT -6
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