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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 19:41:54 GMT -6
I thought you were done and had your "I'm good for the next 20 years" pair of monitors in the Core 59s? I'd like to be, if I can find something as good or better for less I'd be silly not give a try no? Although my options are thin on the ground, as I said it'll be either the HEDD's or stick with the Core's. I'd just go back to the LYD's but I can't unhear the 59's unfortunately..
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Post by RealNoob on Jul 22, 2022 17:01:40 GMT -6
I've had the LYD-48s for 5 mins and initial thoughts are: Someone more experienced than I once told me that monitors fall into two rough camps: American muscle cars and F1 race cars. These fall in the former, along with the Focals and Genelecs whereas the PSI 21Ms I had fall into the latter. The PSI's are very lean and clean so bloat and poke anywhere screams at you. I spent days just listening to familiar records as issues kept being revealed, while I had the PSIs. - I realize there is a lot of change still to come as they break in but compared to the PSIs, the LYDs are warmer and fuller though they still have a present top end.
- Compared to the Genelec 8330s with SAM, the Genneys sound boxy (I knew that already) and while I thought the Genneys had revealing mids because of that slight bloom, the LYDs have plenty of detail and still sound normal in tonality.
- I did not even compared the Focal Shape 65s, I pulled them immediately. They are scooped in nature.
- I am running them full range as I do with all speakers I have and I use a sub that is band passed quite low. The sub only provides some extension, not reinforcement. It's quite amazing how it works. I tune it to be clean with reference tracks and keep it pretty flat. The LYDs settled instantly with the sub and it sounds great.
- I'm selling the Focals immediately to pick up the 18S sub
- Phantom center is really amazing - vocals are right there but not overly forward.
Looking forward to burn-in and continued listening and mixing. Now to open the latest mix and see what's what. I have GIK and other treatment in the room. I will likely try Sonarworks on the overall system to see how it rides. Now I have to consider whether to keep the Genneys as alts or pick up something else. I do have the mixcubes already.
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Post by RealNoob on Jul 22, 2022 21:36:00 GMT -6
Ran hours of pink noise. Sat down again and listened to a song at low volumes. Flipping between the Genneys and LYDS, the Genneys sound like grot boxes. Wow.
Very enveloping/wide/clear sound stage. Bass up front under vocal but clean. Stereo image seems very detailed. Lots of space in mix between elements.
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Post by Quint on Jul 23, 2022 19:27:12 GMT -6
The more I've listened to these Neumann's the more I think I might go with those and send the Lyds back. It's not that I don't like the Lyds, but the KH310s just have a solidity to them that I enjoy, and that's at least due in part to the sealed cab. I'm really liking the tightness in the low end of the KH310 versus the Lyd. And the mids on the KH310 are real nice too.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jul 27, 2022 22:28:55 GMT -6
The more I've listened to these Neumann's the more I think I might go with those and send the Lyds back. It's not that I don't like the Lyds, but the KH310s just have a solidity to them that I enjoy, and that's at least due in part to the sealed cab. I'm really liking the tightness in the low end of the KH310 versus the Lyd. And the mids on the KH310 are real nice too. Interesting! It sounds like you wouldn’t really go wrong either way, which is always a relief. But your observations on the KH310s definitely mirror mine. I’ve never heard the LYDs, though.
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Post by svart on Jul 28, 2022 7:11:55 GMT -6
The more I've listened to these Neumann's the more I think I might go with those and send the Lyds back. It's not that I don't like the Lyds, but the KH310s just have a solidity to them that I enjoy, and that's at least due in part to the sealed cab. I'm really liking the tightness in the low end of the KH310 versus the Lyd. And the mids on the KH310 are real nice too. Interesting! It sounds like you wouldn’t really go wrong either way, which is always a relief. But your observations on the KH310s definitely mirror mine. I’ve never heard the LYDs, though. Mine as well. In my years of trial and error in audio I've become very leery of anything that is described as "exciting" or "extended" or pretty much any word that describes something having "more" than the peers. I've started to really appreciate the laid-back nature of a lot of higher end audio gear because the more buzzwords used on describing something, usually the harder it is to use. I've never heard the KH310s be described as "exciting", but I've definitely heard them be referred to as "laid-back" and I'm now OK with that. I've learned them pretty well and I have very few problems using them to get translating mixes. I really just don't see how I would need "more" from a speaker, however I can see not wanting to spend the money. To me I figured that if I got along with them, they'd be one of the last monitors I'd buy, and it's worth the stretch to not think about needing "more".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 7:56:36 GMT -6
I really just don't see how I would need "more" from a speaker, however I can see not wanting to spend the money. To me I figured that if I got along with them, they'd be one of the last monitors I'd buy, and it's worth the stretch to not think about needing "more". What is more? What is technically correct? In terms of statistics / measurements the Genelec 83XX series beat the Neumann's, just look at ASR but they have a completely different presentation and sound nothing like each other. The Core 59's, PSI A-23M's and KH420's make the 310's sound rather muddy and boxy but that's an ignorance is bliss problem, there's absolutely nothing wrong with either the LYD 48's or KH310's. If you can't make great mixes on either it's not a monitor issue and I'd probably turn towards the room before I'd consider an upgrade.
That being said, I can't unhear what I've heard. This isn't a necessity thing and I'm going to quote mcirish here because he's bang on the money..
"The end result might not justify the price difference, though I'm sure I would enjoy them."
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Post by svart on Jul 28, 2022 8:08:50 GMT -6
I really just don't see how I would need "more" from a speaker, however I can see not wanting to spend the money. To me I figured that if I got along with them, they'd be one of the last monitors I'd buy, and it's worth the stretch to not think about needing "more". What is more? What is technically correct? In terms of statistics / measurements the Genelec 83XX series beat the Neumann's, just look at ASR but they have a completely different presentation and sound nothing like each other. The Core 59's, PSI A-23M's and KH420's make the 310's sound rather muddy and boxy but that's an ignorance is bliss problem, there's absolutely nothing wrong with either the LYD 48's or KH310's. If you can't make great mixes on either it's not a monitor issue and I'd probably turn towards the room before I'd consider an upgrade.
That being said, I can't unhear what I've heard. This isn't a necessity thing and I'm going to quote mcirish here because he's bang on the money..
"The end result might not justify the price difference, though I'm sure I would enjoy them."
That's just the nature of pro audio though, wildly different opinions, needs, desires, budgets, etc. I totally agree that pretty much anything up at this level will satisfy the need for a great monitor. I'm just offering up my personal thoughts for others to consider, that's all. Sometimes less is more.
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Post by Quint on Jul 28, 2022 8:36:25 GMT -6
By my way of thinking, I've come around to the idea that the "relaxed" nature of the 310 may actually be a good thing, at least for me. The relaxed nature kind of threw me at first, after having listened to the Lyds beforehand and my BM5As before that.
Both Dyns seem to have just a smidge more high end and sound a little more hi-fi or exciting compared to the 310. I imagine that's just the voicing of the Dyns. However, I also suspect that some of that excitement may be coming from distortion, as I feel like the 310s are giving me less distortion at the same dB levels, especially in the bass region, but also in the high end.
The thing is that I have felt at times in the past like I was mixing a little dark, and I'm thinking that may have at least been in part due to the Dyns telling me there were more highs there than maybe there actually were. So I've come around to the idea of the 310s giving me a little less high end (which may in fact actually be the more truly flat presentation), which would result in me adding in more highs in the mix so that I actually get the highs where I want them, as far as translation goes.
As for the bass region, the Lyds do sound muddier and less clear/defined in the lows, and I imagine that's because of the port versus the sealed cab on the 310s. That's also one of the first things that immediately leapt out when I put up the 310s after the Lyds.
In this case, it was the opposite of my first impression regarding the highs. At first, I preferred the highs on the Lyds because it was what I was used to and also because I do prefer a little more highs if I'm just listening to something and not mixing. However, when it came to the low end, I pretty quickly preferred the lows on the 310s. I could just more clearly hear the kick and bass. My views on the superiority of the 310s in the bass region have not changed even after a couple of weeks.
The bass region is always an area I've had a little trouble with. I'm sure some of that has always been, and continues to be, down to the room, but I also do think that I just couldn't hear the bass region as clearly I would like with my old Dyns. The Lyds are better in the lows than the BM5As, but I think the 310s are even better than that.
As for mid clarity, it's probably a wash for me. They both sound slightly different, but both offer some nice mid range clarity due to both being three ways, which is a definite upgrade over my old Dyns. That said, and maybe it's just all psychological, given my preference for soft domes in general, I "like the idea" of a soft dome mid on the 310 versus the cone mid on the Lyd. I mean the ATCs have soft dome mids and those are supposed to be best there is. I also do feel like I slightly prefer the sound/clarity of the mids on the 310s, but I could live with either.
Of note, I will say that I maybe slightly and specifically prefer distorted electric guitars on the Lyds, but it really makes me wonder if this doesn't come down to the mid driver on the Lyds adding their own distortion that I just so happen to like on an already distorted instrument? Sure it might sound good on a pure listening level, but is it accurate? I know I've read here and there where people have talked about not liking to mix guitars on the 310s and I'm beginning to suspect that it just comes down to the 310s being less distorted in the mids, and people just "thinking" that the 310s are inferior when, in fact, it may be that their other monitors are actually lying to them and adding in a potentially pleasant to listen to but ultimately counterproductive amount of distortion.
ATCs are notoriously low distortion and people complain about them lacking bass, but that also likely comes down to perception of bass due to lack of distortion and the higher distortion bass that people are used to on their other monitors. That distortion DOES make you think you're hearing more of something than is actually there. I suspect I'm experiencing a similar situation when it comes to presentation of distorted guitars on the mid driver of the Lyds versus the 310s. I think this is also backed up by my preference for acoustic guitars on the 310s versus the Lyds. Acoustic guitars are typically something that you wouldn't want to be very distorted, so it's interesting to me how my preference flip flops when talking about acoustics versus electrics.
Which again brings me back to the whole soft dome thing. I've always liked them and this just confirms that further. They tend to be relatively less distorted, at least in my experience, and I assume that's why ATC (and Neumann) chose soft domes for their mids.
As for the waveguide thing, I still like how the sweet spot on both Dyns announces to you that you are entering or exiting it. It's just a reassurance thing for me. That said, the waveguide on the 310 does seem to provide a wider sweet spot, so maybe it doesn't matter as much if you don't have as clearly a defined sweet spot if you never end up easily getting out of the larger sweet spot in the first place.
In any case, I'm definitely glad I made the move up to three ways. Given that I've had my previously stated issues with low end clarity and mixing a little too dark at times, that's why I'm leaning more and more towards the Neumann KH310s. I'll make my mind up for sure this week.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 9:05:34 GMT -6
Both Dyns seem to have just a smidge more high end and sound a little more hi-fi or exciting compared to the 310. I imagine that's just the voicing of the Dyns. However, I also suspect that some of that excitement may be coming from distortion, as I feel like the 310s are giving me less distortion at the same dB levels, especially in the bass region, but also in the high end. Nah, the Genelec 8341's (which are $5.5K here) are supposed to, according to all the Klippel tests have really low distortion but they sound more like the Dyn's than the Neumann's. In terms of measurements the KH does also have low distortion, I've found that monitors with more "colour" sound "warmer".. Did you engage the DSP switch on the back to knock off the high's a bit? Also aren't you using some sort of frequency correction software? Dirac, Trinnov, Arc etc. If not it might be prudent to look into it. They do and that's where the Neumann's come into their own IMO, also there is the option of buying the KH750 which can do frequency response correction and phase alignment. GLM with Genelec for example was amazing and whilst adding a sub makes the endeavour more expensive there's another reason to go Neumann. Also whilst the bass / LMF is much improved over the LYD's it could certainly be better, at higher volumes there is noteable distortion in the lower frequencies and it can get a bit muddy. Although Neumann offers a solution to that obviously.. Good, aren't they?
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Post by sean on Jul 28, 2022 9:19:18 GMT -6
The demand for Atmos mixes from labels to deliver to Amazon/Apple has me strongly considering a set up at my house…which would probably be (3) KH310, (8) KH120’s and a KH810 subwoofer and a MTRX Studio…which I could probably afford if I sold my Lynx Aurora (n) 32, PMC IB2S, and Spectra power amplifier
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Post by Quint on Jul 28, 2022 12:09:43 GMT -6
Both Dyns seem to have just a smidge more high end and sound a little more hi-fi or exciting compared to the 310. I imagine that's just the voicing of the Dyns. However, I also suspect that some of that excitement may be coming from distortion, as I feel like the 310s are giving me less distortion at the same dB levels, especially in the bass region, but also in the high end. Nah, the Genelec 8341's (which are $5.5K here) are supposed to, according to all the Klippel tests have really low distortion but they sound more like the Dyn's than the Neumann's. In terms of measurements the KH does also have low distortion, I've found that monitors with more "colour" sound "warmer".. Did you engage the DSP switch on the back to knock off the high's a bit? Also aren't you using some sort of frequency correction software? Dirac, Trinnov, Arc etc. If not it might be prudent to look into it. They do and that's where the Neumann's come into their own IMO, also there is the option of buying the KH750 which can do frequency response correction and phase alignment. GLM with Genelec for example was amazing and whilst adding a sub makes the endeavour more expensive there's another reason to go Neumann. Also whilst the bass / LMF is much improved over the LYD's it could certainly be better, at higher volumes there is noteable distortion in the lower frequencies and it can get a bit muddy. Although Neumann offers a solution to that obviously.. Good, aren't they? I don't think it's that simple to say that, because the Genelec is "supposed" to be low distortion on paper, and sounds like the Lyd (according to you, I haven't heard it), then what I'm hearing in the Lyds must definitely not be due to distortion at all. So I'd disagree with you there, but it also doesn't really matter what the reason is. At the end of the day, like I said, I still hear a bit more highs in the Lyds than the 310s, when both are set flat, and that's having an impact on my decisions. As for the frequency switches on both monitors, I did mess around with both and ultimately decided that I liked both set flat. I may ultimately end up using one or more of said switches on whichever monitor I end up keeping, but that will be for a later day after I do some more in depth attempts at room correction. Speaking of room correction, I don't have Dirac or anything else like it, but I have become increasingly interested in giving something like this a try. I figured that, if I'm going to upgrade my monitors, I might as well go ahead and see what other kinds of improvements I can make. The Neumann sub is not on my buy list right now, but just knowing that the option does exist is something that weighed into my decision, in case I decided that the 310s we're bass shy but otherwise had enough things about them that I liked to still keep them. Right now, I'm pretty happy with the bass that the 310s are putting out, but I might get the Neumann sub eventually. We'll see. I'd agree that the bass drivers on the 310s do distort at louder volumes but, thankfully, it's at those louder volumes and not at the volumes I would typically monitor at. I can't say the same for the Lyds. I feel like the distortion comes on sooner at lower volumes on the Lyds.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 13:56:43 GMT -6
I don't think it's that simple to say that, because the Genelec is "supposed" to be low distortion on paper, and sounds like the Lyd (according to you, I haven't heard it), then what I'm hearing in the Lyds must definitely not be due to distortion at all. So I'd disagree with you there, but it also doesn't really matter what the reason is. At the end of the day, like I said, I still hear a bit more highs in the Lyds than the 310s, when both are set flat, and that's having an impact on my decisions. It is that simple, Dynaudio for example have Klippel's and the Jupiter testing facility to watch out for this kind of stuff. When some of the other Dyn's (LYD-5's I believe) were tested via third party's they were also extremely low distortion too. I don't just say stuff on a whim, I embark on journey's of extreme amounts of research both technical and psychoacoustic by listening then I try to correlate the two. Doesn't always work but when my budget rises I become increasingly more concerened about making a mistake..
The fact remains after swanning through (or about to) another 15? Sets at this point they ALL sound different, the RL906's I tested from Geithain years back had audible (yet pleasent) distortion and it was notable compared to the LYD-48's. Sealed designs like the Sonodyne SM100's I bought years back aren't like regular monitors, they sound very different for better or worse. Well, they do to me at least..
For me the KH310's are like every monitor room dependant, I'm testing these in both a 14.5X13 and a 28X17 room because there needs to be some future proofing involved. In the former room the KH310's were more than enough to deafen someone and bass wasn't much of an issue even if they felt light and a bit muddy compared to something like PSI's A23's (which costs double), in the other room they didn't cut it.
Sure none of this might have any relevance to you personally, I'm unfortunately not as decisive and allow my options (plus budgets) to be too wide. I might save up for 5 / 10 / 15 years before I do a refit or upgrade and then it comes all at once hence all of the questions but it does give me a good insight. Again, the KH310's are "better" but in short the Dyn's do a couple of things right as well. I'm not trying to sway your position or push anything, I'm looking to upgrade from the Dyn's so it has no bearing on me whatsoever.. Honestly I'm just trying to assist anyone else who might be going through this journey (and not even you specifically) because I HATE looking for monitors and they are VERY critical to your work.
Ultimatley though you've just gotta pick one and roll with it, once you've acquired a decent set adaption is far more important anyway.
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Post by Quint on Jul 28, 2022 14:22:43 GMT -6
I don't think it's that simple to say that, because the Genelec is "supposed" to be low distortion on paper, and sounds like the Lyd (according to you, I haven't heard it), then what I'm hearing in the Lyds must definitely not be due to distortion at all. So I'd disagree with you there, but it also doesn't really matter what the reason is. At the end of the day, like I said, I still hear a bit more highs in the Lyds than the 310s, when both are set flat, and that's having an impact on my decisions. It is that simple, Dynaudio for example have Klippel's and the Jupiter testing facility to watch out for this kind of stuff. When some of the other Dyn's (LYD-5's I believe) were tested via third party's they were also extremely low distortion too. I don't just say stuff on a whim, I embark on journey's of extreme amounts of research both technical and psychoacoustic by listening then I try to correlate the two. Doesn't always work but when my budget rises I become increasingly more concerened about making a mistake..
The fact remains after swanning through (or about to) another 15? Sets at this point they ALL sound different, the RL906's I tested from Geithain years back had audible (yet pleasent) distortion and it was notable compared to the LYD-48's. Sealed designs like the Sonodyne SM100's I bought years back aren't like regular monitors, they sound very different for better or worse. Well, they do to me at least..
For me the KH310's are like every monitor room dependant, I'm testing these in both a 14.5X13 and a 28X17 room because there needs to be some future proofing involved. In the former room the KH310's were more than enough to deafen someone and bass wasn't much of an issue even if they felt light and a bit muddy compared to something like PSI's A23's (which costs double), in the other room they didn't cut it.
Sure none of this might have any relevance to you personally, I'm unfortunately not as decisive and allow my options (plus budgets) to be too wide. I might save up for 5 / 10 / 15 years before I do a refit or upgrade and then it comes all at once hence all of the questions but it does give me a good insight. Again, the KH310's are "better" but in short the Dyn's do a couple of things right as well. I'm not trying to sway your position or push anything, I'm looking to upgrade from the Dyn's so it has no bearing on me whatsoever.. Honestly I'm just trying to assist anyone else who might be going through this journey (and not even you specifically) because I HATE looking for monitors and they are VERY critical to your work.
Ultimatley though you've just gotta pick one and roll with it, once you've acquired a decent set adaption is far more important anyway.
It's all relative, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the distortion thing on the Lyds. If I'm hearing distortion in the Lyds that I'm not hearing in the 310s, well, I don't know what else to say about. But like I said, it also doesn't really matter and I don't have any interest in arguing about it anyway. It's not a big deal. You're picking what works for you and I'm doing the same. Enough said. I'll be curious to hear how the ATCs fair. That's probably what I'll at least be heavily considering if/when I ever upgrade again one day. Though it will either be quite a while and/or if I happen to come across a good deal like the one you found for $6.5k.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 14:40:47 GMT -6
It's all relative, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the distortion thing on the Lyds. But like I said, it also doesn't really matter and I don't have any interest in arguing about it anyway. It's not a big deal. You're picking what works for you and I'm doing the same. Enough said. I'll be curious to hear how the ATCs fair. That's probably what I'll at least be heavily considering if/when I ever upgrade again one day. Though it will either be quite a while and/or if I happen to come across a good deal like the one you found for $6.5k. It's all good, whatever works for you (in a none sarcastic way I promise).
Yeah I've heard a few pairs of ATC's already but they were in "proper" studio's. The one's I were going to buy came from a place called The Farm if you've ever heard of it? There's just a slight problem with mass (and petrol costs due to weight at the moment ).. Anyway, it does show how much the cost soars to upgrade from the likes of the Kh310 or LYD 48. They are both bargains relatively speaking..
Best of luck Quint, seems like you're heading towards the Neumann's right?
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Post by Quint on Jul 28, 2022 15:15:29 GMT -6
It's all relative, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the distortion thing on the Lyds. But like I said, it also doesn't really matter and I don't have any interest in arguing about it anyway. It's not a big deal. You're picking what works for you and I'm doing the same. Enough said. I'll be curious to hear how the ATCs fair. That's probably what I'll at least be heavily considering if/when I ever upgrade again one day. Though it will either be quite a while and/or if I happen to come across a good deal like the one you found for $6.5k. It's all good, whatever works for you (in a none sarcastic way I promise).
Yeah I've heard a few pairs of ATC's already but they were in "proper" studio's. The one's I were going to buy came from a place called The Farm if you've ever heard of it? There's just a slight problem with mass (and petrol costs due to weight at the moment ).. Anyway, it does show how much the cost soars to upgrade from the likes of the Kh310 or LYD 48. They are both bargains relatively speaking..
Best of luck Quint, seems like you're heading towards the Neumann's right?
Yes, I'm leaning towards the 310s right now. I'm actually thinking I might try to make a final decision tonight actually. I wish I was leaning the other way, because it'd be a lot cheaper, but it is what it is. If I did go with the Lyds, I probably would take the money I saved and buy one of those Dyn subs though. That way I could take the load off the Lyds. I imagine that would help with the muddiness issue.
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Post by RealNoob on Jul 30, 2022 23:32:13 GMT -6
OK, mind blown. I was still reeling from the LYDs making the Genelecs sounding like grot boxes, even with GLM. I decided to see if there are any switches to play with. I put held the speaker close and heard a lot of low end so I put them close to me, on the desk and was shocked at the difference in tone from having them on top of main speakers a little further. They were close enough where I didn't need a sub, which shocked me. The 8330s which sounded boxy now sound much more even. I know the GLM in the speaker is affecting things, as well as coupling with the desk on the low end but the difference is more than just that.
Gets me thinking perhaps I have had speakers too far from me. The LYDs are about 6' from each other and about 3' from me. Every speaker I have had in recent years has been there, on the argosy stands with isoacoustic tops. I would generally sit back to get the triangle more equal but I haven't had a sweet spot issue or anything that said "something's wrong". I have to now see what the LYDs sound when moved closer. Another variable - that's all I need - lol.
Also has me thinking keep the Genney's, even if for travel. I could really see tracking with them or doing initial mixes on them at low volume in other places.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2022 23:50:34 GMT -6
OK, mind blown. I was still reeling from the LYDs making the Genelecs sounding like grot boxes, even with GLM. I decided to see if there are any switches to play with. I put held the speaker close and heard a lot of low end so I put them close to me, on the desk and was shocked at the difference in tone from having them on top of main speakers a little further. They were close enough where I didn't need a sub, which shocked me. The 8330s which sounded boxy now sound much more even. I know the GLM in the speaker is affecting things, as well as coupling with the desk on the low end but the difference is more than just that. Gets me thinking perhaps I have had speakers too far from me. The LYDs are about 6' from each other and about 3' from me. Every speaker I have had in recent years has been there, on the argosy stands with isoacoustic tops. I would generally sit back to get the triangle more equal but I haven't had a sweet spot issue or anything that said "something's wrong". I have to now see what the LYDs sound when moved closer. Another variable - that's all I need - lol. Also has me thinking keep the Genney's, even if for travel. I could really see tracking with them or doing initial mixes on them at low volume in other places. Dynaudio's manuals aren't quite up to scratch, they say around 5 foot min for the LYD's but they always come into full view about 3 feet or less away IME. It seems Dyn tend to copy and paste a lot of verbage between monitors, for example the Core 59's are meant to be "free standing" away from boundary walls even though they have DSP switches especially made to counteract those issues. I take their manual's with a pinch of salt at this point.. Just to note I do use REW and ARC though to make sure everything is good..
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Post by RealNoob on Jul 31, 2022 15:34:55 GMT -6
OK, mind blown. I was still reeling from the LYDs making the Genelecs sounding like grot boxes, even with GLM. I decided to see if there are any switches to play with. I put held the speaker close and heard a lot of low end so I put them close to me, on the desk and was shocked at the difference in tone from having them on top of main speakers a little further. They were close enough where I didn't need a sub, which shocked me. The 8330s which sounded boxy now sound much more even. I know the GLM in the speaker is affecting things, as well as coupling with the desk on the low end but the difference is more than just that. Gets me thinking perhaps I have had speakers too far from me. The LYDs are about 6' from each other and about 3' from me. Every speaker I have had in recent years has been there, on the argosy stands with isoacoustic tops. I would generally sit back to get the triangle more equal but I haven't had a sweet spot issue or anything that said "something's wrong". I have to now see what the LYDs sound when moved closer. Another variable - that's all I need - lol. Also has me thinking keep the Genney's, even if for travel. I could really see tracking with them or doing initial mixes on them at low volume in other places. Dynaudio's manuals aren't quite up to scratch, they say around 5 foot min for the LYD's but they always come into full view about 3 feet or less away IME. It seems Dyn tend to copy and paste a lot of verbage between monitors, for example the Core 59's are meant to be "free standing" away from boundary walls even though they have DSP switches especially made to counteract those issues. I take their manual's with a pinch of salt at this point.. Just to note I do use REW and ARC though to make sure everything is good..
Thanks! I'm actually about 4' out or so from the LYDs. They sound really good. I see with the link you shared, I was getting to the edge with the small Genneys and the midrange of the room begins to compete there, so they say. The sound 10X better on the bridge but will have to run GLM again. Appreciate the help.
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