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Post by svart on Jul 7, 2022 6:52:28 GMT -6
I've never turned my KH310D's up louder than normal-high listening volume so I can't say if they distort or not at even higher levels. Just curious, how big is your room? It's been a while since I measured, but about 15x12 I think. It's somewhat odd shaped, so not all of that is open space, mostly in the back. Here's a shot of the control area to give you an idea (top of the white desk is 4ft wide):
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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2022 10:07:13 GMT -6
Quint: I really like domes, too, and I love the mid dome on the 310s. But just as big of a deal to me is that the 310 is the first sealed cabinet I’ve owned, and it turns out I really, really like not having a port. I still think you should try to listen to both the LYD48s and the KH310s in your space if you can swing it. I suspect that would make your decision a lot easier, whether one way or the other. The sealed cabinet interested me too. It's also one of the reasons I was considering the Neumann. As for getting them both in house, I actually just ordered both. I'll return whichever pair I like less and then that'll be that. That being said, all of the discussion has still been pretty useful to helping me narrow it down and to get to the point where I know what I'm going to be specifically looking for when I make the comparisons.
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Post by ericn on Jul 7, 2022 10:47:27 GMT -6
Quint: I really like domes, too, and I love the mid dome on the 310s. But just as big of a deal to me is that the 310 is the first sealed cabinet I’ve owned, and it turns out I really, really like not having a port. I still think you should try to listen to both the LYD48s and the KH310s in your space if you can swing it. I suspect that would make your decision a lot easier, whether one way or the other. The performance of sealed is addictive, but look at the roll off to see if it is that gentle rounded curve or steeper, if it’s steep they are using EQ. As a builder it is a bit easier to tune out a bit of driver miss match buy tuning the port length. I can’t say either is subjectively better, but I prefer ports, but then I want more lowend. Now anyone know someone with a bunch of 18mm Baltic Birch plywood in stock?
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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2022 11:32:29 GMT -6
Quint: I really like domes, too, and I love the mid dome on the 310s. But just as big of a deal to me is that the 310 is the first sealed cabinet I’ve owned, and it turns out I really, really like not having a port. I still think you should try to listen to both the LYD48s and the KH310s in your space if you can swing it. I suspect that would make your decision a lot easier, whether one way or the other. The performance of sealed is addictive, but look at the roll off to see if it is that gentle rounded curve or steeper, if it’s steep they are using EQ. As a builder it is a bit easier to tune out a bit of driver miss match buy tuning the port length. I can’t say either is subjectively better, but I prefer ports, but then I want more lowend. Now anyone know someone with a bunch of 18mm Baltic Birch plywood in stock? I've read similar things and it sort of makes me wonder about the low end of the Neumann's. I guess we'll see once I'm able to put both the 310s and LYDs to the test.
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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2022 11:36:39 GMT -6
I hear you on the DSP. What about the rest of my post? Dome mids? I value your opinion. I am hesitant to say Dome or cone being better, there are domes I like and for the $ that Dynaudio copy KH uses is a great driver, it’s not a ATC or Volt but that thing is one of the most consistent sample to sample and you will find it in some very expensive speakers, for example the $12K induction dynamics that I literally go hug once a month because I dearly miss their shop manager and my friend Brian. ( Named my new live sub Woofers after his dog Bronco). Domes are a bit trickier to work with the response is useally shaped like a bump where a cone is more often a flatter plateau, but I in general prefer the tonal quality of a dome. Most domes are lighter and seam faster. In general my preference would be for either an a electrostatic , or line source ribbon or Planer, but neither is practical in a studio monitor physically and present a difficult load. OK the Magnepans are a purely resistive load but like the electrostatics inefficient as hell. Speaking in very general terms domes are pretty efficient, most of the better cone mids require 2 to approach the efficiency of a dome. This is where it gets tricky because if you need 2 per cabinet you ideally need 4 with the same response. I don’t really know the Mid Dynaudio is using but Danny (shadow) seams impressed and based on our conversations I have a pretty good idea of his preferences and would endorse a good listen. Now this is where the idea of making a generalization about a drive by type gets you in trouble, in general I would say compression drivers are a major compromise, but then there are the TAD and even the Radian Beryllium diaphragm drivers you can’t have a conversation about the best HF drivers without the TADs ( OK JK maybe the fact that I own 2 very different but still both in the conversation of Best HF drivers out there in house). If those Dynaudios use a variant of the ESOTAR they belong in that conversation. I hope that helps. I will add I personally prefer class A and AB over class D, so the KH have that, but again being the total hypocrite I have 5.4 KW of class H with switching power supplies sitting in the same house as my favorite Class A amp, so call me a living contradiction. I didn't realize that that was a Dyn copy used in the KH310?
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Post by ericn on Jul 7, 2022 11:46:58 GMT -6
I am hesitant to say Dome or cone being better, there are domes I like and for the $ that Dynaudio copy KH uses is a great driver, it’s not a ATC or Volt but that thing is one of the most consistent sample to sample and you will find it in some very expensive speakers, for example the $12K induction dynamics that I literally go hug once a month because I dearly miss their shop manager and my friend Brian. ( Named my new live sub Woofers after his dog Bronco). Domes are a bit trickier to work with the response is useally shaped like a bump where a cone is more often a flatter plateau, but I in general prefer the tonal quality of a dome. Most domes are lighter and seam faster. In general my preference would be for either an a electrostatic , or line source ribbon or Planer, but neither is practical in a studio monitor physically and present a difficult load. OK the Magnepans are a purely resistive load but like the electrostatics inefficient as hell. Speaking in very general terms domes are pretty efficient, most of the better cone mids require 2 to approach the efficiency of a dome. This is where it gets tricky because if you need 2 per cabinet you ideally need 4 with the same response. I don’t really know the Mid Dynaudio is using but Danny (shadow) seams impressed and based on our conversations I have a pretty good idea of his preferences and would endorse a good listen. Now this is where the idea of making a generalization about a drive by type gets you in trouble, in general I would say compression drivers are a major compromise, but then there are the TAD and even the Radian Beryllium diaphragm drivers you can’t have a conversation about the best HF drivers without the TADs ( OK JK maybe the fact that I own 2 very different but still both in the conversation of Best HF drivers out there in house). If those Dynaudios use a variant of the ESOTAR they belong in that conversation. I hope that helps. I will add I personally prefer class A and AB over class D, so the KH have that, but again being the total hypocrite I have 5.4 KW of class H with switching power supplies sitting in the same house as my favorite Class A amp, so call me a living contradiction. I didn't realize that that was a Dyn copy used in the KH310? Yeah The funny thing is the copy is more consistent sample to sample and for in quantity 1/3 the price of the real Dynaudio! In many cases the Chinese copy’s are better than the original driver. You might have to change your design slightly but you have an almost zero reject rate and are paying far less. When Brian was still alive he would occasionally bring me a bunch of reject Morel tweeters that I would cherry pic the Diaphragms for response that hit what my Questeds had and boom free back ups.
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Post by svart on Jul 7, 2022 12:23:29 GMT -6
The performance of sealed is addictive, but look at the roll off to see if it is that gentle rounded curve or steeper, if it’s steep they are using EQ. As a builder it is a bit easier to tune out a bit of driver miss match buy tuning the port length. I can’t say either is subjectively better, but I prefer ports, but then I want more lowend. Now anyone know someone with a bunch of 18mm Baltic Birch plywood in stock? I've read similar things and it sort of makes me wonder about the low end of the Neumann's. I guess we'll see once I'm able to put both the 310s and LYDs to the test. It's tight. There's no port bloom happening. They might sound a little lacking in bass when compared to something else, but I have yet to have any issues with low end at all. I stopped using my sub with the KH310s because the sub was starting to make me mix too little bass into my mixes. The bass in these has nuance, unlike a lot of other speakers which just have "bass".
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Post by ericn on Jul 7, 2022 12:28:50 GMT -6
I've read similar things and it sort of makes me wonder about the low end of the Neumann's. I guess we'll see once I'm able to put both the 310s and LYDs to the test. It's tight. There's no port bloom happening. They might sound a little lacking in bass when compared to something else, but I have yet to have any issues with low end at all. I stopped using my sub with the KH310s because the sub was starting to make me mix too little bass into my mixes. The bass in these has nuance, unlike a lot of other speakers which just have "bass". [br Hate it when someone tunes a monitor to have that one note thump like a cheap car sub box. But than these car guys will sell you a box for a 10in sub with no specific driver tuning recommendations.
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Post by Quint on Jul 7, 2022 13:12:07 GMT -6
I've read similar things and it sort of makes me wonder about the low end of the Neumann's. I guess we'll see once I'm able to put both the 310s and LYDs to the test. It's tight. There's no port bloom happening. They might sound a little lacking in bass when compared to something else, but I have yet to have any issues with low end at all. I stopped using my sub with the KH310s because the sub was starting to make me mix too little bass into my mixes. The bass in these has nuance, unlike a lot of other speakers which just have "bass". I've only ever used ported monitors, so I've been curious about how I might intially perceive a sealed cab. I've felt like I can mix a little too bass heavy at times, so I'm curious to see how it goes.
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Post by Quint on Jul 11, 2022 17:29:26 GMT -6
So I haven't had a chance to even plug the Neumann's in yet, but I'm already really liking these Lyds. They're very familiar sounding to me, as my current monitors are also Dynaudio, but everything is just ...better...
I like. The Neumann's definitely have some competition. We'll see how those sound next.
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Post by Quint on Jul 12, 2022 16:53:32 GMT -6
So I'm going to give the Neumann's some more time to burn in over the next 24 hours but, at first glance, I think the Lyds sound better.
I like the midrange presentation on the Lyds better, as in I feel like I'm maybe hearing more of the mids. I like the highs better on the Lyds and that could maybe just come down to the fact that's it's a very similar sound to me since I already have Dynaudio monitors with soft dome tweeters. I think the Lyds are punchier. The Lyds sound more 3D. I do think the Neumann's maybe sound a little tighter in the lows, which I imagine is because of the sealed cabinet.
Now I just have to decide why I think I'm liking the Lyds better. Is it because the Lyds are just better monitors and I'm hearing the music come through better or is it because the Lyds are hyping things and the Neumann's just sound comparatively not as good (boring?) because they are actually the flatter, more honest monitor?
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Post by svart on Jul 12, 2022 17:11:55 GMT -6
So I'm going to give the Neumann's some more time to burn in over the next 24 hours but, at first glance, I think the Lyds sound better. I like the midrange presentation on the Lyds better, as in I feel like I'm maybe hearing more of the mids. I like the highs better on the Lyds and that could maybe just come down to the fact that's it's a very similar sound to me since I already have Dynaudio monitors with soft dome tweeters. I think the Lyds are punchier. The Lyds sound more 3D. I do think the Neumann's maybe sound a little tighter in the lows, which I imagine is because of the sealed cabinet. Now I just have to decide why I think I'm liking the Lyds better. Is it because the Lyds are just better monitors and I'm hearing the music come through better or is it because the Lyds are hyping things and the Neumann's just sound comparatively not as good (boring?) because they are actually the flatter, more honest monitor? Most likely you're used to the dynaudio sound first and foremost so it sounds most "normal". But the only real test is which one gives you a better result in translation and/or faster problem resolution.
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Post by Quint on Jul 12, 2022 17:20:55 GMT -6
So I'm going to give the Neumann's some more time to burn in over the next 24 hours but, at first glance, I think the Lyds sound better. I like the midrange presentation on the Lyds better, as in I feel like I'm maybe hearing more of the mids. I like the highs better on the Lyds and that could maybe just come down to the fact that's it's a very similar sound to me since I already have Dynaudio monitors with soft dome tweeters. I think the Lyds are punchier. The Lyds sound more 3D. I do think the Neumann's maybe sound a little tighter in the lows, which I imagine is because of the sealed cabinet. Now I just have to decide why I think I'm liking the Lyds better. Is it because the Lyds are just better monitors and I'm hearing the music come through better or is it because the Lyds are hyping things and the Neumann's just sound comparatively not as good (boring?) because they are actually the flatter, more honest monitor? Most likely you're used to the dynaudio sound first and foremost so it sounds most "normal". But the only real test is which one gives you a better result in translation and/or faster problem resolution. When it comes to the highs, I think I might agree with you. However the Lyds are showing me things in the mids that I feel like are better than the 310s AND my old Dyns. I kind of wish the Lyds could have a baby with the 310s and keep most of what the Lyds are doing, but just with the extra tightness in the lows of the 310s. I'm definitely not done comparing, and the 310s aren't done burning in either. There will be a lot of back and forth over the next week or two.
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Post by drumsound on Jul 12, 2022 21:51:45 GMT -6
Thanks for reviving this thread with new info, Quint.
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Post by phdamage on Jul 13, 2022 19:04:55 GMT -6
now that i've had the LYDs a while now, I do kinda wish they had more power. I'm sure between the extra 20Hz down below and Sonarworks dipping my output, I'm losing a bit, but still hate that i'm adding plugs to boost the output during tracking.
Seems the easiest way to fix is to just add the sub. I love how they sound and working on them and adding a sub is a helluva lot cheaper than buying new monitors.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 13, 2022 19:22:48 GMT -6
Or just defeat Sonarwork’s volume attenuation ?
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Post by Quint on Jul 13, 2022 20:32:16 GMT -6
now that i've had the LYDs a while now, I do kinda wish they had more power. I'm sure between the extra 20Hz down below and Sonarworks dipping my output, I'm losing a bit, but still hate that i'm adding plugs to boost the output during tracking. Seems the easiest way to fix is to just add the sub. I love how they sound and working on them and adding a sub is a helluva lot cheaper than buying new monitors. I'm still deciding what I'm gonna do, but the thought had occured to me about just taking the money I would save by going with the Lyds and buying the Dynaudio sub to take the bass load off of the Lyds. I still just don't know if I want to mess with a sub though. I'd be worried that I'd constantly be second guessing what I'm hearing because of the potential for timing anomalies and what not, due to the bass coming from a second location.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 8:18:48 GMT -6
Most likely you're used to the dynaudio sound first and foremost so it sounds most "normal". But the only real test is which one gives you a better result in translation and/or faster problem resolution. When it comes to the highs, I think I might agree with you. However the Lyds are showing me things in the mids that I feel like are better than the 310s AND my old Dyns. I kind of wish the Lyds could have a baby with the 310s and keep most of what the Lyds are doing, but just with the extra tightness in the lows of the 310s. I'm definitely not done comparing, and the 310s aren't done burning in either. There will be a lot of back and forth over the next week or two.
I agree with Svart, the LYD's just sound "normal" yet detailed or flat enough to translate and spot issues. Although, I don't consider normality to be their downside, if it sounds right on those it will usually translate across a wide medium because they're directly relatable.
Ultimately though I preferred certain elements of both and in a perfect world I'd combine them. LMF detail could be better with the DYN's and the KH310's did a better job representing that portion, I will say for me the Dynaudio Core 59's were several steps above both of them. It took three months to make a decision, some of it due to delays or money but in the end I bought the Core 59's and they should last me a few decades.
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Post by Quint on Jul 14, 2022 8:46:08 GMT -6
When it comes to the highs, I think I might agree with you. However the Lyds are showing me things in the mids that I feel like are better than the 310s AND my old Dyns. I kind of wish the Lyds could have a baby with the 310s and keep most of what the Lyds are doing, but just with the extra tightness in the lows of the 310s. I'm definitely not done comparing, and the 310s aren't done burning in either. There will be a lot of back and forth over the next week or two.
I agree with Svart, the LYD's just sound "normal" yet detailed or flat enough to translate and spot issues. Although, I don't consider normality to be their downside, if it sounds right on those it will usually translate across a wide medium because they're directly relatable.
Ultimately though I preferred certain elements of both and in a perfect world I'd combine them. LMF detail could be better with the DYN's and the KH310's did a better job representing that portion, I will say for me the Dynaudio Core 59's were several steps above both of them. It took three months to make a decision, some of it due to delays or money but in the end I bought the Core 59's and they should last me a few decades.
Those are more or less the same observations I had comparing the Lyd to the KH310. I think I prefer the mids and highs on the Lyds, but the lows on the KH310. This is why I've been considering the idea of keeping the Lyds and getting a sub to help out with the lows. It would still be cheaper than the KH310s. If you were forced to pick between the Lyds and KH310s, which way would you go? I thought about the Core 59s, but ultimately decided it was more than I wanted to spend. If I ever do decide to spend that kind of money, I think I'm going to be looking directly at the ATC SCM25A. Those seem like they would check all of the boxes for me. Maybe one day...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 8:52:52 GMT -6
Those are more or less the same observations I had comparing the Lyd to the KH310. I think I prefer the mids and highs on the Lyds, but the lows on the KH310. This is why I've been considering the idea of keeping the Lyds and getting a sub to help out with the lows. It would still be cheaper than the KH310s. If you were forced to pick between the Lyds and KH310s, which way would you go? I thought about the Core 59s, but ultimately decided it was more than I wanted to spend. If I ever do decide to spend that kind of money, I think I'm going to be looking directly at the ATC SCM25A. Those seem like they would check all of the boxes for me. Maybe one day... Personally I'd save the money and go with the LYD 48's. McIrish and Ragan seem to rock with them and they do some impressive mixes..
I did try the SCM45A's and bear in mind before my different perspective gets jumped on it's just an opinion. I still preferred the Core 59's, I'm sure some of it's down to familiarity with the Dynaudio sound but there's only so much mid range clarity one needs and the Dyn's certainly go a lot lower with their uber clean bass. I had the option between PSI, ATC and Geithain, I love all of them but I saved myself a few bucks and still got an end game monitor.
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Post by Quint on Jul 14, 2022 9:17:38 GMT -6
Those are more or less the same observations I had comparing the Lyd to the KH310. I think I prefer the mids and highs on the Lyds, but the lows on the KH310. This is why I've been considering the idea of keeping the Lyds and getting a sub to help out with the lows. It would still be cheaper than the KH310s. If you were forced to pick between the Lyds and KH310s, which way would you go? I thought about the Core 59s, but ultimately decided it was more than I wanted to spend. If I ever do decide to spend that kind of money, I think I'm going to be looking directly at the ATC SCM25A. Those seem like they would check all of the boxes for me. Maybe one day... Personally I'd save the money and go with the LYD 48's. McIrish and Ragan seem to rock with them and they do some impressive mixes..
I did try the SCM45A's and bear in mind before my different perspective gets jumped on it's just an opinion. I still preferred the Core 59's, I'm sure some of it's down to familiarity with the Dynaudio sound but there's only so much mid range clarity one needs and the Dyn's certainly go a lot lower with their uber clean bass. I had the option between PSI, ATC and Geithain, I love all of them but I saved myself a few bucks and still got an end game monitor.
So it sounds like you prefer the Lyd 48s to the KH310, or at least think they are of similar quality? That's sort of where I'm leaning at this point. The Neumann's are quite a bit more expensive, so I was hoping for a more noticeable increase in quality. I can't make up my mind just yet. I will say that the Lyds are inspiring in ways that the KH310s don't seem to be. Now granted, that may be because the 310s are actually the flatter speaker, which should in theory be the preferable thing. I'm just unclear on why I am preferring the Lyds and struggling to figure that out. I do ultimately want a flat monitor. I just need to figure out if the Neumann is actually flatter or just boring. One other observation I've noticed has to do with the sweet spot. I realize that the wave guide on the 310s is supposed to allow for a wide sweet spot. However, one thing I sort of like about the Dyns (my old BM5As and the Lyd 48s) is that you KNOW when you enter or leave the sweet spot. Which, even if it may not be as wide of a sweet spot as the 310s, you have confidence that you are in it and not second guessing yourself. I suppose I'd get used to it, but I feel like I might be constantly wondering if I'm truly in the sweet spot when using the 310s, and getting all of the information. The sweet spot on the Dyns is strong and you know when you're in it or when you leave it.
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Post by svart on Jul 14, 2022 9:19:32 GMT -6
I agree with Svart, the LYD's just sound "normal" yet detailed or flat enough to translate and spot issues. Although, I don't consider normality to be their downside, if it sounds right on those it will usually translate across a wide medium because they're directly relatable.
Ultimately though I preferred certain elements of both and in a perfect world I'd combine them. LMF detail could be better with the DYN's and the KH310's did a better job representing that portion, I will say for me the Dynaudio Core 59's were several steps above both of them. It took three months to make a decision, some of it due to delays or money but in the end I bought the Core 59's and they should last me a few decades.
Those are more or less the same observations I had comparing the Lyd to the KH310. I think I prefer the mids and highs on the Lyds, but the lows on the KH310. This is why I've been considering the idea of keeping the Lyds and getting a sub to help out with the lows. It would still be cheaper than the KH310s. If you were forced to pick between the Lyds and KH310s, which way would you go? I thought about the Core 59s, but ultimately decided it was more than I wanted to spend. If I ever do decide to spend that kind of money, I think I'm going to be looking directly at the ATC SCM25A. Those seem like they would check all of the boxes for me. Maybe one day... Go with what you know. If you like the dynaudio sound and it works for you, but you just need a little more of it, then go for the Lyds. Knowing what works is worth more than trying to find a unicorn. From how you describe the difficulty in identifying any major selling points between them, they're likely going to give you similar results in the long run. Of course, the downside is never really knowing if you're missing out on something because your ears have been used to the Dynaudio sound for so long it just sounds "normal".
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Post by Quint on Jul 14, 2022 9:28:00 GMT -6
Those are more or less the same observations I had comparing the Lyd to the KH310. I think I prefer the mids and highs on the Lyds, but the lows on the KH310. This is why I've been considering the idea of keeping the Lyds and getting a sub to help out with the lows. It would still be cheaper than the KH310s. If you were forced to pick between the Lyds and KH310s, which way would you go? I thought about the Core 59s, but ultimately decided it was more than I wanted to spend. If I ever do decide to spend that kind of money, I think I'm going to be looking directly at the ATC SCM25A. Those seem like they would check all of the boxes for me. Maybe one day... Go with what you know. If you like the dynaudio sound and it works for you, but you just need a little more of it, then go for the Lyds. Knowing what works is worth more than trying to find a unicorn. From how you describe the difficulty in identifying any major selling points between them, they're likely going to give you similar results in the long run. Of course, the downside is never really knowing if you're missing out on something because your ears have been used to the Dynaudio sound for so long it just sounds "normal". Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now. I'm trying to be brutally honest with myself and cut out as much bias as I can. If I had to pick at this very moment, I think I'd be going with the Lyds and maybe also one of those matching Dyn subs. Luckily I still have a few weeks before I need to send one or the other back, so I'm not done testing and may prefer the 310s at some point. More testing may reveal things that I'm not seeing yet. That's why I'm hoping to use the Neumann's long enough to sort of overcome the "normal" thing.
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Post by svart on Jul 14, 2022 9:32:31 GMT -6
Go with what you know. If you like the dynaudio sound and it works for you, but you just need a little more of it, then go for the Lyds. Knowing what works is worth more than trying to find a unicorn. From how you describe the difficulty in identifying any major selling points between them, they're likely going to give you similar results in the long run. Of course, the downside is never really knowing if you're missing out on something because your ears have been used to the Dynaudio sound for so long it just sounds "normal". Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now. I'm trying to be brutally honest with myself and cut out as much bias as I can. If I had to pick at this very moment, I think I'd be going with the Lyds and maybe also one of those matching Dyn subs. Luckily I still have a few weeks before I need to send one or the other back, so I'm not done testing and may prefer the 310s at some point. More testing may reveal things that I'm not seeing yet. That's why I'm hoping to use the Neumann's long enough to sort of overcome the "normal" thing. have you done a mix of the same song through both monitors yet? Set one set up, come back the next day and start from scratch. Set the next monitors up and come back the next day and start from scratch. Do each mix cold so you're not biasing your ears. Take each mix and go somewhere else, like the car or work or somewhere out of your element and listen to each. You should hear pretty clear differences if one monitor or the other is coloring the sound too much. Or we can take a listen to the mixes and give feedback.
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Post by Quint on Jul 14, 2022 9:45:31 GMT -6
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out right now. I'm trying to be brutally honest with myself and cut out as much bias as I can. If I had to pick at this very moment, I think I'd be going with the Lyds and maybe also one of those matching Dyn subs. Luckily I still have a few weeks before I need to send one or the other back, so I'm not done testing and may prefer the 310s at some point. More testing may reveal things that I'm not seeing yet. That's why I'm hoping to use the Neumann's long enough to sort of overcome the "normal" thing. have you done a mix of the same song through both monitors yet? Set one set up, come back the next day and start from scratch. Set the next monitors up and come back the next day and start from scratch. Do each mix cold so you're not biasing your ears. Take each mix and go somewhere else, like the car or work or somewhere out of your element and listen to each. You should hear pretty clear differences if one monitor or the other is coloring the sound too much. Or we can take a listen to the mixes and give feedback. Yes, I've been doing that, but I'm not done trying this out just yet.
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