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Post by rigo on May 28, 2018 11:58:25 GMT -6
Congrats on pulling the trigger on the LYD48s. If your experience is anything like mine I think you'll be very happy with the low end. And the rest of the frequency range, as well.
I shocked myself by ordering them in white and I like the way they look very much. Might just be the novelty of it but they look great. And the design is surprisingly compact. They're actually a bit smaller than my Events even though they're three way speakers.
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Post by mcirish on May 29, 2018 9:03:49 GMT -6
Are you using them in the recommended horizontal setup or vertical? I'm so used to a vertical setup of monitors that the horizontal setup seems a little odd. I realize that left to right imaging in mids and highs is better in horizontal. Just a little curious if anyone is running them vertical instead.
I hate that time between ordering and receiving gear. Patience is a virtue I have little of... ha!
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Post by mcirish on May 29, 2018 10:10:44 GMT -6
Bummer! I just got a note that the place I ordered them from does not have stock. It was a good deal. I'm not sure I want to wait 4 weeks to get them. Hmmm. Now I have to go out looking again if I want them before July.
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Post by rigo on May 29, 2018 11:01:33 GMT -6
I'm running them horizontally. It did seem a bit odd at first but very I very quickly got used to it. The stereo imaging is excellent with these speakers. I don't know if that has anything to do with the horizontal positioning but it's impressive in any case. Sorry to hear that your order is delayed.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 29, 2018 11:22:36 GMT -6
Where are you ?
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Post by mcirish on May 29, 2018 11:30:19 GMT -6
I'm in the Chicago area.
Found another pair in black. had to pay more than I hoped but... I'm impatient. I didn't want to wait a month for my original order to be filled. I should see these possibly before the weekend. The price difference spread out over the next 10 years I use them will be negligible.
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Post by mcirish on May 29, 2018 15:12:50 GMT -6
Well, the drama continues. They only had them in white when they went to ship them. I will give it a shot and maybe something non-black in the studio will be a nice change.
How many of you got white vs black LYD 48?
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Post by ericn on May 29, 2018 17:22:40 GMT -6
Well, the drama continues. They only had them in white when they went to ship them. I will give it a shot and maybe something non-black in the studio will be a nice change. How many of you got white vs black LYD 48? Ever hear the story of why Turbosound painted their cabinets blue? They set up 2 identical rigs one black, one blue and the majority of people thought the blue rig sounded better! Could white have the same effect? |
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Post by rigo on May 29, 2018 18:14:46 GMT -6
That's great! Let's do a test... I went with the white and I love how they look. Very striking. |
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Post by ragan on May 29, 2018 18:15:56 GMT -6
I went with the black but I admit I was tempted by the Storm Trooper whites.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 29, 2018 19:23:13 GMT -6
Best for your Death Star mix!!
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Post by guitfiddler on May 29, 2018 20:20:20 GMT -6
Best for your Death Star mix!! How many engineers use the force to get their mix right? |
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Post by ericn on May 29, 2018 20:23:14 GMT -6
I went with the black but I admit I was tempted by the Storm Trooper whites. If your little white Dyn’s are Storm trooper are my Big Black Questeds Darth Vader😁 |
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Post by kcatthedog on May 30, 2018 5:05:35 GMT -6
Best for your Death Star mix!! How many engineers use the force to get their mix right? The real pro mix trick is the DVSSNA (Darth Vadar Surround sound Neurological Attachment)  |
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Post by guitfiddler on May 30, 2018 10:34:43 GMT -6
Evidently, Eric has gone to the dark side...
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Post by ericn on May 30, 2018 10:42:22 GMT -6
Evidently, Eric has gone to the dark side... Along time ago in an audio galaxy far far away...🌚 |
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Post by rigo on May 30, 2018 11:00:18 GMT -6
I'll never look at my speakers the same way again...
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Post by mcirish on Jun 1, 2018 9:12:59 GMT -6
I got the LYD 48 yesterday (in white). I didn't have time to do a proper burn in as suggested by Dynaudio. I just wanted to hear them. Initial thought: It's a bit hard to believe these came from the same company that made the Air 6 monitors. I was expecting them to be a bit different but I was kind of shocked by how different they are. The biggest change is the mids. The LYD 48 has all the mids (and then some) that I felt were a little light in the Air 6. The lows were about the same, possibly a little more low end. The high end felt a little veiled on the LYD 48 in comparison. I think it's because the mids are so much more present. A rough guess would be that frequencies between about 200hz-1khz are more present in the LYD 8. I played a lot of reference tracks on both and switched back and forth. Most references sounded good on the Air 6. At least half the references sounded kind of bad on the LYD 48. I think problems in the mid-range are much more apparent on the LYD. The Air 6 are more pleasant to listen to and they are better for hearing the tail of a reverb. The LYD 48 masks that detail a little due to the mids. It's interesting how some of my references sound "honkey" on the LYD 48 but fine on the Air 6. I'm not sure which is more accurate but i think the LYD will help make a few mid-range mix decisions easier.
That's just a first reaction without having them properly setup on stands. My stands were made for the Air 6 so the LYD 46 has to be raised 5 inches to match, due to the horizontal positioning. I'll be burning these in over the weekend. I do think they will work out well. The detail in the mids showed me some real problems on current mixes already.
I wonder how much different they will sound once I burn them in? Anyone notice a real difference or is that sort of "snake-oil"?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 1, 2018 9:31:00 GMT -6
The mid range is going to the dedicated mid driver so you get all that great focus and clarity in the lyds ! They do burn in, what I found was that the overall sound actually became more open, smoother and more cohesive,
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Post by mcirish on Jun 1, 2018 9:33:12 GMT -6
Thanks for the burn in info. That's exactly what I hope for.
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Post by ericn on Jun 1, 2018 9:50:54 GMT -6
I got the LYD 48 yesterday (in white). I didn't have time to do a proper burn in as suggested by Dynaudio. I just wanted to hear them. Initial thought: It's a bit hard to believe these came from the same company that made the Air 6 monitors. I was expecting them to be a bit different but I was kind of shocked by how different they are. The biggest change is the mids. The LYD 48 has all the mids (and then some) that I felt were a little light in the Air 6. The lows were about the same, possibly a little more low end. The high end felt a little veiled on the LYD 48 in comparison. I think it's because the mids are so much more present. A rough guess would be that frequencies between about 200hz-1khz are more present in the LYD 8. I played a lot of reference tracks on both and switched back and forth. Most references sounded good on the Air 6. At least half the references sounded kind of bad on the LYD 48. I think problems in the mid-range are much more apparent on the LYD. The Air 6 are more pleasant to listen to and they are better for hearing the tail of a reverb. The LYD 48 masks that detail a little due to the mids. It's interesting how some of my references sound "honkey" on the LYD 48 but fine on the Air 6. I'm not sure which is more accurate but i think the LYD will help make a few mid-range mix decisions easier. That's just a first reaction without having them properly setup on stands. My stands were made for the Air 6 so the LYD 46 has to be raised 5 inches to match, due to the horizontal positioning. I'll be burning these in over the weekend. I do think they will work out well. The detail in the mids showed me some real problems on current mixes already. I wonder how much different they will sound once I burn them in? Anyone notice a real difference or is that sort of "snake-oil"? Well come to the world of 3 ways with a Dome mid. A quick look at the Air 6 looks like it uses a variant of Dyns Esotec tweeter, a very very special tweet that most agree works better in a 3 way where as the LYD48 uses a more standard Dyn. Over time the LYD should open up but it’s not going to sound like the Esotec, however it mesh better with the standard Dyn mid. While not my favorite affordable mid dome the Tange Band copy can be found in some $15000 speakers so yeah no suprise you find it an improvement. As for discovering flaws in reference material, a friend was over the other day and wanted to hear the Questeds, well his taste was 90’s radio hits, stuff that didn’t sound bad in the Car Lifehouse, Vertical Horizon, adult contemporary brain worms, hey I found myself singing along in the car. Well those $75 Skanspeak mid domes showed all the edges almost buzzing distortion on the vocals, the guy said they must be broken, well 12min of listening to Rumors and Abbey Road had the guy thinking he didn’t want a good pair of speakers, he prefer to see the emporer as wearing robes than naked. Nice review keep us updated. |
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Post by rigo on Jun 1, 2018 12:32:40 GMT -6
I think you will find that the highs open up noticeably as the speakers burn in. At least that was my experience. I had the same initial reaction to the midrange on the LYD48s--a tremendous amount of detail (some good, some bad, depending on the source material) was revealed, and the highs seems a little reticent compared to what I had been listening to in the studio. Now that I have used them for a while the midrange doesn't seem over-emphasized. The top has opened up nicely, the bottom is big and very solid. I have yet to do a serious mix of anything new on them, but playing old mixes has been revealing in a number of cases. And I'm enjoying tracking with them very much. I'm planning to run some roughs of new tracks sometime soon just to get an idea of how what I'm hearing on these speakers might translate in the world. I have the sense that I'll be surprised if the sounds I'm getting while tracking don't hold up well outside the studio. We'll see... How do you like the white?
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Post by mcirish on Jun 1, 2018 13:40:53 GMT -6
I'm undecided about the white. They are very well made but the white sort of distracts me a bit. But, it's still too soon to tell. I really need to spend some serious time with them. Maybe the white will grow on me.
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Post by mcirish on Jun 4, 2018 9:36:01 GMT -6
I burned these in over the weekend alternately with pink noise and some reference tracks. I'm not quite sure I buy into the "burn in" theory but I do know that my ears started adjusting to them over a few hours on and off during the weekend. I'm starting to really like the mid-range detail a lot. I think I may still prefer the hi-end of the Air 6 Esotec tweeter though. I sent a note to Dynaudio about the possibility of swapping the tweeter. I'm not an expert on speaker design and the LYD 48 tweeter in no way sounds bad. It's just a bit different than what I was used to for so long. Anyway, here is the response I got back.
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Thank you for your enquiry.
The drivers are different in the LYD48, and changing the tweeter is not a good idea since the whole speaker, including the amplifiers, is designed to the tweeter employed.
Having said that the sound will improve over time as the speakers are played in. All the mechanical parts needs a bit of workout before they perform as intended - this is normal for all speakers. The sound will be more relaxed and resolution will be better.
Sound is a matter of taste also, so if you are used to Air 6 there may be some time where you adjust your listening to the new sound - we are all victims of habit sometimes, the old pair of jeans are always the best.
I hope this helps.
Med venlig hilsen / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen
Anders Borbye
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Overall, I'm quite happy with the sound of the LYD 48. I will be doing my first bit of mixing with them this week and I will get to see how they translate. I imagine the will do quite well. I will write again on this once I've had some more quality time with these.
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Post by ericn on Jun 4, 2018 10:23:41 GMT -6
I burned these in over the weekend alternately with pink noise and some reference tracks. I'm not quite sure I buy into the "burn in" theory but I do know that my ears started adjusting to them over a few hours on and off during the weekend. I'm starting to really like the mid-range detail a lot. I think I may still prefer the hi-end of the Air 6 Esotec tweeter though. I sent a note to Dynaudio about the possibility of swapping the tweeter. I'm not an expert on speaker design and the LYD 48 tweeter in no way sounds bad. It's just a bit different than what I was used to for so long. Anyway, here is the response I got back. _______________________________________ Thank you for your enquiry. The drivers are different in the LYD48, and changing the tweeter is not a good idea since the whole speaker, including the amplifiers, is designed to the tweeter employed. Having said that the sound will improve over time as the speakers are played in. All the mechanical parts needs a bit of workout before they perform as intended - this is normal for all speakers. The sound will be more relaxed and resolution will be better. Sound is a matter of taste also, so if you are used to Air 6 there may be some time where you adjust your listening to the new sound - we are all victims of habit sometimes, the old pair of jeans are always the best. I hope this helps. Med venlig hilsen / Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüssen Anders Borbye Customer Care Manager ____________________________________________ Overall, I'm quite happy with the sound of the LYD 48. I will be doing my first bit of mixing with them this week and I will get to see how they translate. I imagine the will do quite well. I will write again on this once I've had some more quality time with these. Yeah Active monitors are not easy to upgrade other than opamps, and some other circuit level upgrades. Through in the fact that Dynaudio is no longer selling to the DIY market and even if they were the Esotec in the Air’s is not the same as the Generic Esotec and that’s not quite the same as the Audio sound version you can still get. In any speaker passive or active the crossover is tweaked for the specific drivers so unless you are experienced with crossover design and even then it’s an adventure in trial and error, a prototype is sitting here that one of the top crossover designers in the world is part of the design team on and 3 years and 10 revisions in we are still trying to get right! As far as break in, speakers are mechanical devices and the various components do preform better after sometime moving, things stretch and lubricants work their way into various surfaces and they start to perform as they are meant to. Also remember different speaker, different optimal placement and that in most modern studio applications placement is a compromise. |
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