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Post by notneeson on Nov 7, 2023 8:31:20 GMT -6
My experience of the RI 67 up against a pair of vintage 269s is that you definitely don't need to spend another 4K on the RI to have a great microphone. Wow.
One of the first "nice" mics I rented way back when was a KH modded 87, and it was great. So I get it, but man.
Fun fact, Klaus and I lived in the same tiny beach town when I was a little kid.
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Post by jfranciskeys on Mar 25, 2024 16:11:12 GMT -6
For what it’s worth, the mk67 was way closer to the real deal than any 47 clone I’ve ever heard. Still needed some work, but it was really quite nice. I agree, it was close. The MK67 had some low end beef where the U67 didn't. The U67 had some high end sheen where the MK67 lacked. I'll try to post some samples later. I was still more impressed by the M269C than either of them. That mic was special. |
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Post by jfranciskeys on Mar 25, 2024 16:13:25 GMT -6
Very interesting, thanks. There's a bit of level difference too. How were they placed for this test, relative to each other and your position? Am I recalling you are usually 4' back? I'm usually about 2ft back, which I was in this instance. The M49C was in the middle with the U67 and M269 to the left side next to each other and the MK67 to the right of the M49C. Hey I just received My Max Kircher 67. it doesn’t sound as good as yours! is your a completely dry signal? |
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 26, 2024 4:57:23 GMT -6
I'm usually about 2ft back, which I was in this instance. The M49C was in the middle with the U67 and M269 to the left side next to each other and the MK67 to the right of the M49C. Hey I just received My Max Kircher 67. it doesn’t sound as good as yours! is your a completely dry signal? Yes, in the clip I posted from Barbershop studio there was no EQ, compression, or reverb. Barbershop is a converted church though, so the sound is a bit live. I did have a Silver Telefunken EF86 in it. So it was not the stock tube Max provided. Later down the road I swapped Max’ BV12 transformer for a Neumann BV12, but the Neumann BV12 has been come harder to track down these days. That made the kit very close to the real deal. |
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Post by bluesholyman on Aug 27, 2024 18:42:20 GMT -6
I am late to this party but just picked up a used WA-67 as my first "real" mic. I got it at about half of new so not a bad deal and I've only had a little bit of time with it, but I like it a lot. I hope to at some point have a more accurate clone, or the real thing, but this will serve me for some time I think. After hearing this compared to my NT1 and KSM44/32, I am beginning to understand mics that require "minimal work" in the mix. And so the journey begins...  |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 27, 2024 19:00:24 GMT -6
IMHO contact Chad @ Signal Arts Electronics. He has a $400 modification on that Puppy.  It's on his website under "Shopping". Chris |
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Post by doubledog on Aug 27, 2024 19:24:01 GMT -6
There's a lot of bare sheetrock in that room right that probably isn't going to be friendly to many a mic (modded or not).
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Post by Vincent R. on Aug 27, 2024 21:05:07 GMT -6
I am late to this party but just picked up a used WA-67 as my first "real" mic. I got it at about half of new so not a bad deal and I've only had a little bit of time with it, but I like it a lot. I hope to at some point have a more accurate clone, or the real thing, but this will serve me for some time I think. After hearing this compared to my NT1 and KSM44/32, I am beginning to understand mics that require "minimal work" in the mix. And so the journey begins... Brace yourself. The journey can get expensive.  |
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Post by bluesholyman on Aug 28, 2024 5:19:23 GMT -6
IMHO contact Chad @ Signal Arts Electronics. He has a $400 modification on that Puppy. It's on his website under "Shopping". Chris Thank you. I was looking under "Puppies" and not finding it... There's a lot of bare sheetrock in that room right that probably isn't going to be friendly to many a mic (modded or not). Yes, work in progress covering all that I am late to this party but just picked up a used WA-67 as my first "real" mic. I got it at about half of new so not a bad deal and I've only had a little bit of time with it, but I like it a lot. I hope to at some point have a more accurate clone, or the real thing, but this will serve me for some time I think. After hearing this compared to my NT1 and KSM44/32, I am beginning to understand mics that require "minimal work" in the mix. And so the journey begins... Brace yourself. The journey can get expensive. Hopefully what I do will justify it  |
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Post by bluesholyman on Aug 28, 2024 5:47:44 GMT -6
IMHO contact Chad @ Signal Arts Electronics. He has a $400 modification on that Puppy. It's on his website under "Shopping". Chris I just wonder if that money wouldn't be better spent, when I can afford to do it, on a better rendition of a U67 from a boutique builder. Maybe the WA-67 does magic for my voice, but I suspect there will come a time where I will be fine moving on from it. Then again, I do like puppies... |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 28, 2024 7:20:38 GMT -6
Lemme see. Well other than getting a BU67. Am thinking... Hmmm. Chris |
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Post by Bark Bark Dog on Aug 28, 2024 10:18:22 GMT -6
IMHO contact Chad @ Signal Arts Electronics. He has a $400 modification on that Puppy. It's on his website under "Shopping". Chris I just wonder if that money wouldn't be better spent, when I can afford to do it, on a better rendition of a U67 from a boutique builder. Maybe the WA-67 does magic for my voice, but I suspect there will come a time where I will be fine moving on from it. Then again, I do like puppies... I built two IOAudio 67s. One uses a Neuman K67 capsule, the other a Beesnees K6. Both sound great. The best thing I did was replace the stock transformers with Moby’s transformers. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 28, 2024 12:41:19 GMT -6
The thing about the 3U capsules
(Which I believe Warm still uses)...
Is that they always seem to have a bit of "veiled sound". Including their K67 capsule.
I think most likely, they were also used in my Soundelux U195.
But David Bock knew how to balance out that characteristic with his Circuit Design and excellent QC.
Still... my BU67 has somewhat more Clarity.
And can edge out the U195 on my normal "Light Baritone" voice lead singing.
Particularly on Ballads.
Especially dialed in Wide Cardiod.
Due to strong Chest Voice, but very Tenor-ish underlying resonance.
I still keep some 2nd Tier/Oddball condensers.
Ala AKG P120/Oktava 219* and 319.
Chris
*Let me know via PM, if anyone in the Lower 48...
Wants my Oktava 219 "on the cheap" + Shipping.
It's best IMHO on essy Singers/tone down harsh Cymbals/etc.
Just don't expect a first Tier 67 Tube Style!
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Post by notneeson on Aug 28, 2024 12:58:11 GMT -6
IMHO contact Chad @ Signal Arts Electronics. He has a $400 modification on that Puppy. It's on his website under "Shopping". Chris I just wonder if that money wouldn't be better spent, when I can afford to do it, on a better rendition of a U67 from a boutique builder. Maybe the WA-67 does magic for my voice, but I suspect there will come a time where I will be fine moving on from it. Then again, I do like puppies... My experience with modded gear is, only do it if you are sure you will own it long enough to extract the value you need from it. Warm mics are cheap second hand and the mods are unlikely to add much to resale. That said, Chad is great, no disrespect to his services. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 28, 2024 13:07:30 GMT -6
That's why I didn't get the 219 modded. Nowadays AFAIK Bill Sitler is still doing it. IMHO though Michael Joly's Oktava mods... Were a further upgrade. Chad's so busy between Signal Arts and his UT line... I figured he was "too busy" to add that as a service. Very nice guy too. I would keep the 219 long term for occasional use. But learned (via Michael Stavrou!!)... My core issue was poor mic placement. Along with mediocre Diction.. Not naturally sibilant. Chris |
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Post by bluesholyman on Aug 28, 2024 14:00:41 GMT -6
I just wonder if that money wouldn't be better spent, when I can afford to do it, on a better rendition of a U67 from a boutique builder. Maybe the WA-67 does magic for my voice, but I suspect there will come a time where I will be fine moving on from it. Then again, I do like puppies... My experience with modded gear is, only do it if you are sure you will own it long enough to extract the value you need from it. Warm mics are cheap second hand and the mods are unlikely to add much to resale. That said, Chad is great, no disrespect to his services. This is probably not a mic I'd spend trying to upgrade after reading Chads description of the mod. Seems the BV-12 has a lot to do with the sound of the 67 and as close as Warm may have gotten with this, the next step for me will be something actually closer to a 67. I suspect I'll buy Warms 87 second-hand as well as a 47 to see what suits my voice the best - Warm seems to be a great "inexpensive" way do learn mic flavors if one does not have access to the OGs, or the good clones. Modding them isn't really in my purview, mostly for the "value" reasons you state. |
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Post by chessparov on Aug 28, 2024 14:29:11 GMT -6
I dunno. You hang around "these parts" long enough and it'll probably seem like that "Starter Guitar"*... That (at most) you take Camping or to the Beach. Chris *I did restart now with a Kala Uke, with similar thinking to yours in mind. Not a Martin. |
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Post by bossanova on Aug 28, 2024 23:01:07 GMT -6
My experience with modded gear is, only do it if you are sure you will own it long enough to extract the value you need from it. Warm mics are cheap second hand and the mods are unlikely to add much to resale. That said, Chad is great, no disrespect to his services. This is probably not a mic I'd spend trying to upgrade after reading Chads description of the mod. Seems the BV-12 has a lot to do with the sound of the 67 and as close as Warm may have gotten with this, the next step for me will be something actually closer to a 67. I suspect I'll buy Warms 87 second-hand as well as a 47 to see what suits my voice the best - Warm seems to be a great "inexpensive" way do learn mic flavors if one does not have access to the OGs, or the good clones. Modding them isn't really in my purview, mostly for the "value" reasons you state. If you’re considering the WA-87, I would put aside an extra $200 or so and pick up a Serrano 87 with whatever Black Friday discount Carlos might be running. Really a fantastic mic. |
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Post by bluesholyman on Aug 29, 2024 6:17:02 GMT -6
This is probably not a mic I'd spend trying to upgrade after reading Chads description of the mod. Seems the BV-12 has a lot to do with the sound of the 67 and as close as Warm may have gotten with this, the next step for me will be something actually closer to a 67. I suspect I'll buy Warms 87 second-hand as well as a 47 to see what suits my voice the best - Warm seems to be a great "inexpensive" way do learn mic flavors if one does not have access to the OGs, or the good clones. Modding them isn't really in my purview, mostly for the "value" reasons you state. If you’re considering the WA-87, I would put aside an extra $200 or so and pick up a Serrano 87 with whatever Black Friday discount Carlos might be running. Really a fantastic mic. That is a great price. I can probably pick up a used WA-87 for < $400 so that may be the first step, just to figure out if that style mic works for me, but yeah, that Serrano looks like a great option. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 15, 2024 21:09:13 GMT -6
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