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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 25, 2023 8:45:47 GMT -6
Is the BU67 the same as the B67-269? I can’t see a mic called the BU67 on their website. Same mic. We are just releasing the version 2. It has an extra function switch for new and old of the 67 and 269. More air on the top end of the new 67 mode? |
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Post by mcirish on Apr 25, 2023 9:36:09 GMT -6
I'm really curious about the B67-269. Normally, I'm using a Wunder CM7GS/M7 or a modified Miktek CV4 with a BN-K7 capsule. I borrowed an old U67 from a friend and I'm hoping it was broken. I thought it sounded terrible. No girth and all midrange. I figured it had to be broken. With all the talk about how great the vintage U67's are, I had high hopes. Very disappointing. We gave it a few minutes in a mic shootout and it lost against everything else we had set up.
I appreciate all the guys making review videos. I know the B67-269 isn't super expensive, but I'd hate to take a gamble and find out it doesn't work on the vocalists I work with.
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Post by notneeson on Apr 25, 2023 10:54:46 GMT -6
I didn’t like my vintage u67, always thought they were over rated and I only paid 2k for it. I preferred my SM69’s which always sounded better with the ac701k. When I put Tele ef806s in my 67 RI they sounded how I wanted my vintage one to sound. When I heard the BU67 it blew me away. I’d buy 6 of those. There's a new (insanely gorgeous) residential studio in the countryside near me where I'll hopefully be tracking a band soon. Anyway, he has a pair of M269s which I understand to be basically U67s with ac701k tubes. Looking forward to trying them out! |
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Post by EmRR on Apr 25, 2023 11:03:47 GMT -6
I have a large stash of NOS EF86’s (including some Telefunkens) =) Are they really that much better? I still have the Azdem I think its called the one supplied with the MK67, I changed the transformer to an ami bv12 (Neumann starts selling their bv12s to the public the day it gets installed) (Thanks OPR! took the job when everyone else declined or bailed) I recall Vincent stating he uses a an aperex ef86 in a post, Do they really yield a significant improvement or is it negligible after everything else recording chain mastering etc? I tried roughly a half dozen different tube brands and they were all distinctly different. I’ve never encountered another tube circuit where this was so obvious, usually I consider tube swap differences to be hair-splitting / cork-sniffing territory. |
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Post by Ward on Apr 26, 2023 9:35:09 GMT -6
I didn’t like my vintage u67, always thought they were over rated and I only paid 2k for it. I preferred my SM69’s which always sounded better with the ac701k. When I put Tele ef806s in my 67 RI they sounded how I wanted my vintage one to sound. When I heard the BU67 it blew me away. I’d buy 6 of those. There's a new (insanely gorgeous) residential studio in the countryside near me where I'll hopefully be tracking a band soon. Anyway, he has a pair of M269s which I understand to be basically U67s with ac701k tubes. Looking forward to trying them out! an average m269 is better sounding than almost any average u67 Use them and you know, and I'm sure you do! (sounds like it!) |
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 27, 2023 7:38:32 GMT -6
Ok, so I started this last night. I did half the shootout last night; the intro and all my stuff. So far, the modded MK67 sounds more open with a slightly lighter low end, but it sounds big. BU67 sounds the most balanced, but somehow a little smaller. WA67 is a wooly, but it EQs ok. My wife is going to record some vocals on Friday. Then I’ll film the closing thoughts after I hear her. www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=746849997095328&set=pcb.746850033761991 |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 27, 2023 11:40:55 GMT -6
FWIW my voice generally "needs" that balanced thing, particularly on Ballads.
(Unless it's clearly a "Character" voice)
Any further thoughts on the adjustable Patterns, is also very appreciated.
Thanks! Chris
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Post by ab101 on Apr 27, 2023 15:57:04 GMT -6
And does the BU67 have some proximity effect that helps it sound bigger?
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Post by chessparov on Apr 27, 2023 16:35:58 GMT -6
As you'd expect, the most in Figure 8.
Nothing to worry about there IMHO.
And the Transformer and Tube have a beautiful coloration.
Chrus
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Post by chessparov on Apr 27, 2023 19:28:51 GMT -6
Having Fletcher's signature on his infamous Mackie/ADAT "Sculpture" would be the Apex for me. Or a special "Drumsound Edition" SM57 (That has a M88 capsule inside  ) would be pretty cool too.  Ben's Logo? I look at it like... Good luck! Especially now. Helps balance out the Network Show thing that's on ice right now. (The creator has to re-shop it) Chris P.S. It's killer on VO too. Leaves me... Breathless. |
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Post by mics on Apr 28, 2023 4:51:47 GMT -6
As you'd expect, the most in Figure 8. Nothing to worry about there IMHO. And the Transformer and Tube have a beautiful coloration. Chrus I am so attempted to get a pair of Ben's 2nd version of these mics. The price is very good. Honestly, sometimes I wonder if it is the logo that stops me, which seems really superficial on my part. Maybe I can pay extra for Ben's signature on the mic with no logo (like a work of art!) NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! (Insert best Seinfeld voice) |
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Post by ab101 on Apr 28, 2023 10:14:34 GMT -6
I am so attempted to get a pair of Ben's 2nd version of these mics. The price is very good. Honestly, sometimes I wonder if it is the logo that stops me, which seems really superficial on my part. Maybe I can pay extra for Ben's signature on the mic with no logo (like a work of art!) NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! (Insert best Seinfeld voice) Well - I will ask Elaine to buy them! |
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Post by Ward on Apr 28, 2023 11:45:28 GMT -6
I am so attempted to get a pair of Ben's 2nd version of these mics. The price is very good. Honestly, sometimes I wonder if it is the logo that stops me, which seems really superficial on my part. Maybe I can pay extra for Ben's signature on the mic with no logo (like a work of art!) NO SOUP FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! (Insert best Seinfeld voice) well I did not see that coming |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 28, 2023 11:50:28 GMT -6
"We've Only Just Begun"... (Beware of further mic jokes!) Chris |
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Post by chessparov on Apr 28, 2023 12:06:54 GMT -6
Which reminds me... I used to play Internet Chess with a cool Chessmaster from Australia. He just moved to Eastern Europe . Now he's a Czech Mate. Who loves 67's. Chris |
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 30, 2023 17:04:48 GMT -6
All I’m going to say is I’m glad I got Emily to do some samples. The BU67 and MK67 basically sound like two slightly different sounding U67s, and both really shine. The Warm is fine, but doesn't quite match the others. Have my closing thoughts and some B roll to film and will try to get this one out.
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Post by ab101 on Apr 30, 2023 21:24:32 GMT -6
Looking forward to this Vincent. And I am hoping to get a pair of the BU67s. Ben has a great sense of humor and we have had friendly chats and frankly, he is always very responsive to any email or communication I have with him. I always like to buy equipment that is really great but is also made by great people. Ben is in that class of great people for sure.
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Post by mics on May 1, 2023 5:44:26 GMT -6
All I’m going to say is I’m glad I got Emily to do some samples. The BU67 and MK67 basically sound like two slightly different sounding U67s, and both really shine. The Warm is fine, but doesn't quite match the others. Have my closing thoughts and some B roll to film and will try to get this one out. Can’t wait to hear it! |
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Post by notneeson on May 22, 2023 12:33:23 GMT -6
There's a new (insanely gorgeous) residential studio in the countryside near me where I'll hopefully be tracking a band soon. Anyway, he has a pair of M269s which I understand to be basically U67s with ac701k tubes. Looking forward to trying them out! an average m269 is better sounding than almost any average u67 Use them and you know, and I'm sure you do! (sounds like it!) Had the 269s up on overheads last night and they were tremendous. There's just something about that Neumann midrange that sounds like a record to me. My other takeaway is that API 225L compressors are a real treat— didn't use them that many places but it's nice to instantiate and audition them quickly and when they sound good, they are good. Jumping on the Vision after plenty of time on a 1608 was only sort of informative, but we got where we needed to go. Time in the chair will make that a lot less intimidating so I hope I get to go back. |
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Post by Ari on May 22, 2023 14:08:51 GMT -6
not surprising that the warm doesn't match the others, given that it doesn't use a k67 at all
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Post by Vincent R. on May 22, 2023 15:32:09 GMT -6
not surprising that the warm doesn't match the others, given that it doesn't use a k67 at all I’d love to hear more information about that. |
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Post by Ari on May 22, 2023 15:39:42 GMT -6
not surprising that the warm doesn't match the others, given that it doesn't use a k67 at all I’d love to hear more information about that. they use 2 k103 fronts bolted together. no clue why. maybe they couldn't get the feedback right so they just changed the capsule? No clue. It's made by AYM and it costs like $16. It's why they don't have any pictures of the full mic without the basket anywhere on the site or in the marketing pack, even though they do for every other mic. It's also why their wording about the capsule is so bizarre: "making sure that ours performs the same way, has the same frequency response" because they're not even using the same kind of capsule, so of course they had to. Notice they say "WA-67", which is the entire microphone and not the capsule, so the statement about its design being accurate actually applies to the schematic and is therefore not legally a lie even if it's under the big capsule subtitle. Very clever. Then they spend the rest of the time talking about the brass rings to pad out space because they can't say any more without lying. They're very, very carefully avoiding being legally liable for their dishonesty here. There are 2 or 3 layers of plausible deniability built in. It's one of many reasons they make me uncomfortable as a company.
edit: If you look on the internet archive, you can see that they used to actively lie about this, but there was a teardown on groupdiy early last year and people got angry so they changed it about a week later.
Conflict of interest declaration: I am a professional capsule designer, and I have OEM relationships with multiple Warm competitors.
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Post by mcirish on May 22, 2023 20:36:32 GMT -6
Arienne,
I'm glad to see you here. Welcome!
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Post by Vincent R. on May 22, 2023 21:33:04 GMT -6
I’d love to hear more information about that. they use 2 k103 fronts bolted together. no clue why. maybe they couldn't get the feedback right so they just changed the capsule? No clue. It's made by AYM and it costs like $16. It's why they don't have any pictures of the full mic without the basket anywhere on the site or in the marketing pack, even though they do for every other mic. It's also why their wording about the capsule is so bizarre: "making sure that ours performs the same way, has the same frequency response" because they're not even using the same kind of capsule, so of course they had to. Notice they say "WA-67", which is the entire microphone and not the capsule, so the statement about its design being accurate actually applies to the schematic and is therefore not legally a lie even if it's under the big capsule subtitle. Very clever. Then they spend the rest of the time talking about the brass rings to pad out space because they can't say any more without lying. They're very, very carefully avoiding being legally liable for their dishonesty here. There are 2 or 3 layers of plausible deniability built in. It's one of many reasons they make me uncomfortable as a company.
edit: If you look on the internet archive, you can see that they used to actively lie about this, but there was a teardown on groupdiy early last year and people got angry so they changed it about a week later.
Conflict of interest declaration: I am a professional capsule designer, and I have OEM relationships with multiple Warm competitors.
Thanks for the info Ari! |
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Post by Ward on May 23, 2023 6:12:24 GMT -6
I’d love to hear more information about that. they use 2 k103 fronts bolted together. no clue why. maybe they couldn't get the feedback right so they just changed the capsule? No clue. It's made by AYM and it costs like $16. It's why they don't have any pictures of the full mic without the basket anywhere on the site or in the marketing pack, even though they do for every other mic. It's also why their wording about the capsule is so bizarre: "making sure that ours performs the same way, has the same frequency response" because they're not even using the same kind of capsule, so of course they had to. Notice they say "WA-67", which is the entire microphone and not the capsule, so the statement about its design being accurate actually applies to the schematic and is therefore not legally a lie even if it's under the big capsule subtitle. Very clever. Then they spend the rest of the time talking about the brass rings to pad out space because they can't say any more without lying. They're very, very carefully avoiding being legally liable for their dishonesty here. There are 2 or 3 layers of plausible deniability built in. It's one of many reasons they make me uncomfortable as a company. edit: If you look on the internet archive, you can see that they used to actively lie about this, but there was a teardown on groupdiy early last year and people got angry so they changed it about a week later. Conflict of interest declaration: I am a professional capsule designer, and I have OEM relationships with multiple Warm competitors.
WOW!! Killer reply. Armed, loaded and ready to fire off a solid answer to an anticipated question. I'm impressed |
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