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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 19, 2023 21:57:21 GMT -6
Also, in what I hope will soon be better news for me personally, I started a methylprednisone blister pack today because the NC pollen season is just insane this year. I was already on 4 different allergy medications in preparation for this allergy season, but they were just barely keeping me upright for the past 6 weeks or so. Sorry for the diversion. I totally get it. My allergies are totally nuts right now. So, I messed around with the WA67 tonight. I swapped out some tubes, tried different preamps, and I think I have a good handle on it. It did not like my Amperex tube. My Mullard Tube had plusses and minuses; there was a beautiful harmonic richness, but it was also more rolled off on top. The Electro Harmonix is fine though. It’s ok on my Neve 1073, but much better on my Dan Alexander 1272. Most cheaper mics are better on the 1272. My thoughts are, it’s fine. If you have the funds, get the BU67. If not, this ain’t bad. Looking forward to hear both on Emily in a day or so… man I have some videos to edit. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 19, 2023 23:15:22 GMT -6
Man, I was impressed with it. It can sound a little flat/dull/wooly...but tweaking it with some EQ, I thought it was absolutely on par with my Soyuz. The Soyuz is a little more ready to go - has a little more top end sparkle.
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Post by seawell on Apr 19, 2023 23:50:10 GMT -6
It still sticks in my mind how when I did the U87 shootout, the Warm WA-87 was in first place by a good margin until... I revealed which mic was which 😁 It was the biggest surprise of the bunch to me. A buddy of mine just bought a WA-67, I need to borrow it sometime and check it out.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Apr 20, 2023 0:26:29 GMT -6
Funny...I was coming here to post something about the Warm. I got a vocal from a guy that I do a lot of stuff for. I actually suggested the Warm a while back to him and he bought it. Got some vocals today and was thinking, "damn, these are recorded well..." Like - there are NO issues EQ wise. Just really solid, no problems...and sure enough it was the Warm 67. Makes me want one. Yeah the Warm BeesNeez and a handful of others can really deliver a great production at a great price, the thing with all of them is this though, while Damn good mics on there own the second you start judging them against the real deal or the upper level clones you find weaknesses not overall as microphones but as clones. IMO Warm and Beesneez aren't in the same class. Warm is a chinese knock off brand (I think they are a great thing for the average home studio and have made quality hardware accessible to more people). While beesneez is a manufacturer who makes all their main components and hand makes the microphone in house. Beesneez started out with their "tribute series" and have moved towards clones. Then there are the flea and telefunken who are trying to build a 1 to 1 look alike premium clone. |
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 20, 2023 1:20:44 GMT -6
So 44 pages in …. the sensible money goes to.
The B67-269?
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 20, 2023 8:20:14 GMT -6
BenjaminAshlin I don't feel like Chinese clones like Warm or Advanced Audio are in the same class as boutique makers like BeesNeez and Stam. Both groups are good for different reasons. The boutique mics always sound more polished, but those brands tend to come with communication issues and wait times. I've had better communication with companies like AA or Warm, but the product needs a little more love, maybe a slighting more vibey preamp. At this point all of these mics are completely usable though. I also, can't argue about the quality of FleA, Wunder, or Telefunken though, particularly their high end lines. That's more a pick your poison and go kind of debate. Anyway, the big difference I'm hearing between the WA67 and BU67 is low mid mud vs clarity. I was able to use EQ and get the WA67 really close to what I wanted it to sound like. I imagine I'll be keeping it for a bit...., but still may grab a BU67 at some point. @ineedanswers if the BU67 sounds as good on Emily as it does in that clip it will be hard for me not to buy one. As for my MK67, in it's current configuration it sounds more like a middle ground between the U67 and M269. Not sure why that is. I've rolled a number of tubes, etc. The low end just isn't as prominent. This became much more noticeable when I switched from the mid heavy Apollo Silverface to my Avid Carbon.
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Post by chessparov on Apr 20, 2023 8:49:37 GMT -6
The only "problem" with the BU67 (like a 44 Ribbon) is... I'm out of excuses.  Here are my other LDC's for comparison... Warm 47jr? Weird Mid Range response. Good sounding capsule though. Oktava 219. Nice but smaller sound stage. Oktava 319. For a 319 exceptional. But not at the BU67/U195 level. AKG P200. Poor Man's TLM 103. (Need I say more?) AKG P120 (black) Low budget MDC champ. IMHO great deal for BGV's. When you want "smaller" vocal. Chris P.S. Soundelux U195 is my general runner- up. Similar tone in FAT to the. Oktavas. Capsule more refined than 219/319. Bigger size vocal ala BU67. Both have A-1 Transformers IMHO. Oktavas have nice Tranny's though. |
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 21, 2023 1:49:08 GMT -6
Yeah the Warm BeesNeez and a handful of others can really deliver a great production at a great price, the thing with all of them is this though, while Damn good mics on there own the second you start judging them against the real deal or the upper level clones you find weaknesses not overall as microphones but as clones. IMO Warm and Beesneez are in the same class. Warm is a chinese knock off brand (I think they are a great thing for the average home studio and have made quality hardware accessible to more people). While beesneez is a manufacturer who makes all their main components and hand makes the microphone in house. Beesneez started out with their "tribute series" and have moved towards clones. Then there are the flea and telefunken who are trying to build a 1 to 1 look alike premium clone. So you think the Warm 67 is equal to the BU67? The Warm is cheaper and available for me to buy next dat delivery, so that's one advantage over imported mics like STAM and Beez Neez. Does the Warm have the period correct filtration circuit etc? |
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Apr 21, 2023 6:55:58 GMT -6
IMO Warm and Beesneez are in the same class. Warm is a chinese knock off brand (I think they are a great thing for the average home studio and have made quality hardware accessible to more people). While beesneez is a manufacturer who makes all their main components and hand makes the microphone in house. Beesneez started out with their "tribute series" and have moved towards clones. Then there are the flea and telefunken who are trying to build a 1 to 1 look alike premium clone. So you think the Warm 67 is equal to the BU67? The Warm is cheaper and available for me to buy next dat delivery, so that's one advantage over imported mics like STAM and Beez Neez. Does the Warm have the period correct filtration circuit etc? Whoops thats meant to be aren't.... |
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Apr 21, 2023 6:57:32 GMT -6
BenjaminAshlin I don't feel like Chinese clones like Warm or Advanced Audio are in the same class as boutique makers like BeesNeez and Stam. Both groups are good for different reasons. The boutique mics always sound more polished, but those brands tend to come with communication issues and wait times. I've had better communication with companies like AA or Warm, but the product needs a little more love, maybe a slighting more vibey preamp. At this point all of these mics are completely usable though. I also, can't argue about the quality of FleA, Wunder, or Telefunken though, particularly their high end lines. That's more a pick your poison and go kind of debate. Anyway, the big difference I'm hearing between the WA67 and BU67 is low mid mud vs clarity. I was able to use EQ and get the WA67 really close to what I wanted it to sound like. I imagine I'll be keeping it for a bit...., but still may grab a BU67 at some point. @ineedanswers if the BU67 sounds as good on Emily as it does in that clip it will be hard for me not to buy one. As for my MK67, in it's current configuration it sounds more like a middle ground between the U67 and M269. Not sure why that is. I've rolled a number of tubes, etc. The low end just isn't as prominent. This became much more noticeable when I switched from the mid heavy Apollo Silverface to my Avid Carbon. Yeah I may have forgotten the n't in aren't. |
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Post by mics on Apr 21, 2023 13:31:30 GMT -6
Hi Guys.
You are correct in saying that at time there can be some slower communication when you go with a busy boutique company. We feel though that we have things mostly right as at least our mics are ready to ship. No pre orders necessary, no pay and wait! Buy today, ship today as long as it isn’t a weekend and we make our own capsules, transformers etc etc which also gives us great control over the tone.
This should separate us from being grouped with others that need long wait times, pre purchase money up front and each rev having different parts manufacturers and sonic footprint. Just a thought!
No sour grapes at all in this post, I just thought I should point out a few fundamental differences between us and others as we makes hundreds of parts every day.
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Post by sirthought on Apr 21, 2023 20:51:46 GMT -6
So 44 pages in …. the sensible money goes to. The B67-269? I think the sensible thing would be to appreciate and use what you have, THIS is the right answer. Artists use what's available and make their best work with it! |
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Post by ericn on Apr 21, 2023 22:01:51 GMT -6
Hi Guys. You are correct in saying that at time there can be some slower communication when you go with a busy boutique company. We feel though that we have things mostly right as at least our mics are ready to ship. No pre orders necessary, no pay and wait! Buy today, ship today as long as it isn’t a weekend and we make our own capsules, transformers etc etc which also gives us great control over the tone. This should separate us from being grouped with others that need long wait times, pre purchase money up front and each rev having different parts manufacturers and sonic footprint. Just a thought! No sour grapes at all in this post, I just thought I should point out a few fundamental differences between us and others as we makes hundreds of parts every day. Hey Ben Hope the family is doing well. I think we talked about this years ago, but it always seems like customer service is feast or fathom. Even if things seam a little slow, I would like to point out one huge advantage of dealing with Bens better 1/2, you are actually dealing with someone who can actually do something! After hearing the fun my wife and her lab have had dealing with a vendor who’s products they use in 90% of their testing isn’t shipping supplies I had to teacher her how to deal with naughty reps and nasty vendors, her boss didn’t like any of my ideas, but She got 5 boxes today! |
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Post by mics on Apr 21, 2023 22:23:09 GMT -6
Yes I agree. There is only so much I can fit in a day.
Veronica is a safe bet if you need anything!
veronica@beesneezproaudio.com
Cheers
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Post by stam on Apr 22, 2023 5:20:38 GMT -6
If anybody would like to compare their BU67 or WA67 to the Stam SA-67 please feel free to DM me with your details.
I’ll happily send my SA67 your way at my expense and cover the return as well.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 22, 2023 5:35:25 GMT -6
Which tube do you have in your’s Josh ?
Thx!
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Post by stam on Apr 22, 2023 5:46:23 GMT -6
I have a large stash of NOS EF86’s (including some Telefunkens) =)
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 22, 2023 6:06:22 GMT -6
nice, !
is it possible to buy a tele for my sa67
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Post by stam on Apr 22, 2023 6:22:46 GMT -6
Yes of course. Just email me and we will add it in for you
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 22, 2023 7:21:03 GMT -6
Yes of course. Just email me and we will add it in for you Thx! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 24, 2023 17:46:08 GMT -6
As soon as I feel a little better, ( just had surgery, need more), I'll see if Johnken and I can get together to compare the SA67 to the Warm 67.
That should be fun.
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 24, 2023 20:10:57 GMT -6
As soon as I feel a little better, ( just had surgery, need more), I'll see if Johnken and I can get together to compare the SA67 to the Warm 67. That should be fun. I’d like to hear that. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Apr 24, 2023 22:16:34 GMT -6
I didn’t like my vintage u67, always thought they were over rated and I only paid 2k for it. I preferred my SM69’s which always sounded better with the ac701k.
When I put Tele ef806s in my 67 RI they sounded how I wanted my vintage one to sound.
When I heard the BU67 it blew me away. I’d buy 6 of those.
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Post by thehightenor on Apr 25, 2023 2:52:14 GMT -6
Is the BU67 the same as the B67-269?
I can’t see a mic called the BU67 on their website.
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Post by mics on Apr 25, 2023 5:24:01 GMT -6
Is the BU67 the same as the B67-269? I can’t see a mic called the BU67 on their website. Same mic. We are just releasing the version 2. It has an extra function switch for new and old of the 67 and 269. |
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