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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 29, 2014 20:34:12 GMT -6
Thanks gouge, I'm new to using a hardware compressor, and even with UAD and Waves compressors, I was no expert, and tended to turn a few knobs til I heard something I liked.
On the "with" track I had the attack at the slowest setting and release at the fastest setting. I noticed a warming up, (no pun intended), a little bit more low end, but it seemed quite even, not a boost at a specific frequency, could that be what you're hearing?
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Post by gouge on Jul 29, 2014 21:09:16 GMT -6
warming up can be a result of rolling off the top end which I thought I heard. the top end to me is the sparkle. but I'm listening out of a studio environment currently.
somewhat of a side conversation because we are looking at compressor effect but, I'm not sure that guitar actually needs a comp on it. the km84 is a very smooth mic and you seem to have played the piece very evenly.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 29, 2014 22:19:45 GMT -6
Between 2 and 3 db, peaks might have touch 4db jcoutu1. Which did you prefer, with or without 1176? Haven't taken a listen yet, just figured it was relevant info that was left out. I'll check it out tomorrow. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 29, 2014 22:31:18 GMT -6
Martin John Butler you're a smart man to be subtle with that compressor imo, i feel most folks abuse them. The 1176 is such a cool compressor, i just don't like it on acoustic guitar unless i'm shoehorning something into a busy aggressive mix. Put a red dot 2520 in that pre already, and get a la3a clone. You will never be happier as a singer/songwriter, i promise.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 29, 2014 22:42:04 GMT -6
I preferred without but I think that's to do with the compressor settings because the compressed version has lost some sparkle. I'd like to hear it with a slower attack Wouldn't a faster release give it more sparkle? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 29, 2014 22:43:06 GMT -6
Wish there was a HPF...Or a mix knob.
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Post by gouge on Jul 29, 2014 23:18:51 GMT -6
I preferred without but I think that's to do with the compressor settings because the compressed version has lost some sparkle. I'd like to hear it with a slower attack Wouldn't a faster release give it more sparkle? you could be right in this case because the release may be holding on longer than the next transient which would do the same thing as having too fast attack. depends on input volume/threshold as well.
if the attack is set on it's slowest setting it's probably the release which could be backed off to suit the music.
I'd also like to hear the guitar run through the compressor with no gain reduction and hear what that does.
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Post by gouge on Jul 29, 2014 23:21:06 GMT -6
would also be cool to hear the comp doing 5-10 db of reduction with a fast attack release setting and 1:20 ratio.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 30, 2014 6:41:57 GMT -6
Good to hear from all of you. I'll try some new setting soon, thanks for the suggestions.
When tracking some of my songs that had a very strummy acoustic guitar track, the dynamic peaks would jump out too much, so my hope was the WA76 would help sit those kinds of parts better. Along the way, I've practiced less dynamic strumming to get acoustics to sit in sometimes, and as gouge mentioned, perhaps this track didn't need compression, and he may be right, but I'm just experimenting.
Checking into the red dot's on my to do list Tony, just need some time to catch up on some other things. Asfor theLa3, it's been on a couple of popular songs I really liked the vocal track on, so that's something to think about too. If I had the cash, I'd probably buy a Sta-Level first though..
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Post by Ward on Jul 30, 2014 7:29:13 GMT -6
I preferred without but I think that's to do with the compressor settings because the compressed version has lost some sparkle. I'd like to hear it with a slower attack Wouldn't a faster release give it more sparkle? It would. Slower attack and faster release times are kinder to transients. |
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Post by outuvphaze on Jul 30, 2014 7:40:33 GMT -6
I preferred without but I think that's to do with the compressor settings because the compressed version has lost some sparkle. I'd like to hear it with a slower attack Wouldn't a faster release give it more sparkle? My LA3A on acoustic is dah bomb. It's a sound that brings you back to another time. Think Gibson Acoustic, nice dark rich tones, into a 1073 then into an LA3A. Sweet dark chocolate |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 30, 2014 8:06:31 GMT -6
sounds yummy outuvphaze. Somewhere down the road. I'd really like having a Heritage Audio 1073.
Ward said, "Slower attack and faster release times are kinder to transients". That's why I tried the lowest amount of compression first, to see if the track could sound natural, with just a few peaks lightly tamed. I'll try more instruments soon.
Once I do the real acoustic tracks tomorrow, I'm on to bass and then electric guitars, then lead vocal. Any suggested settings? (especially for bass)
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 30, 2014 8:16:26 GMT -6
I preferred without but I think that's to do with the compressor settings because the compressed version has lost some sparkle. I'd like to hear it with a slower attack My first instinct was that a slower attack would help too. If that's as slow as it goes, faster release might help. Hey, Martin John Butler, could you post a version with the faster release? Thanks man. Nice playing btw. Edit: Sorry I'm confused... Martin John Butler said... If you can go a bit slower on the attack, so you don't lose all the bite, I think that's the best course of action. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 30, 2014 10:43:18 GMT -6
My bad, I said it backwards. On the WA76 guitar, I had attack as slow as possible, and release as fast as possible. Sorry for the confusion that caused. Listening to it again, knowing those were the settings, does anyone have any suggestions before I go for it on that acoustic track?
Still looking for good bass suggestions. My playing bass playing sucks, so that's half the problem, but I'm looking forward to seeing if I can firm it up a bit.
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Post by ericn on Jul 30, 2014 13:01:15 GMT -6
Wish there was a HPF...Or a mix knob. But John then it wouldn't be a 1176 clone. Besides that's what a console is for! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 30, 2014 13:21:59 GMT -6
Wish there was a HPF...Or a mix knob. But John then it wouldn't be a 1176 clone. Besides that's what a console is for! Serpent splice- it's one of the most accurate clones out there in the most important ways, he just added very useful feature sets, filters, on board parallel mixknob, rev A/D in one unit, it's also $1,400 for the sound. |
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Post by ericn on Jul 30, 2014 13:45:08 GMT -6
But John then it wouldn't be a 1176 clone. Besides that's what a console is for! Serpent splice- it's one of the most accurate clones out there in the most important ways, he just added very useful feature sets, filters, on board parallel mixknob, rev A/D in one unit, it's also $1,400 for the sound. Yeah I saw that, but for the price, At some point 2 of these are joining the 2 MC76s in my rack for 1176 duties!! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 31, 2014 19:35:26 GMT -6
I usually use my sta for tracking...but I've got a tube issue right now, so I used the WA76...well, without realizing, I kind of butchered a vocal today. Didn't realize when I was tracking, but the peaks are hot and distorted. Major bummer. I'm tracking down some issues, so hell - maybe it's not the 76. Maybe it's the headroom from the Helios. I definitely have a love/hate relationship with that pre. When it's right - man, it's right...but shit, the headroom is awful. Come to think of it, it reminds me of when I had the underpowered BAE rack and the headroom would go away. Since then, I've I've bought an API rack and haven't had any problems - but SOME shit is going on. Maybe I'll pull it out and switch spots to see if it corrects.
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Post by gouge on Jul 31, 2014 19:47:17 GMT -6
My bad, I said it backwards. On the 1176 guitar, I had attack as slow as possible, and release as fast as possible. Sorry for the confusion that caused. Listening to it again, knowing those were the settings, does anyone have any suggestions before I go for it on that acoustic track? Still looking for good bass suggestions. My playing bass playing sucks, so that's half the problem, but I'm looking forward to seeing if I can firm it up a bit. I wouldn't compress that track. sounded great to me as is. but that's just me I guess.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 31, 2014 19:52:43 GMT -6
My bad, I said it backwards. On the 1176 guitar, I had attack as slow as possible, and release as fast as possible. Sorry for the confusion that caused. Listening to it again, knowing those were the settings, does anyone have any suggestions before I go for it on that acoustic track? Still looking for good bass suggestions. My playing bass playing sucks, so that's half the problem, but I'm looking forward to seeing if I can firm it up a bit. I wouldn't compress that track. sounded great to me as is. but that's just me I guess.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 31, 2014 20:41:58 GMT -6
I'm planning on doing a video of my using the WA76 and not using it, so people can compare. When the recording is done, I'll run a mix without, a mix with, and if it's much better, a hybrid of my choice of with and without WA76, depending on where I think it works and where it doesn't. I should be up to speed using it by the time I'm finished with this little video project. It does take quite a bit of time though, so it won't be for a while. First tracks are being done tomorrow, had no chance today, and needed to change strings on my Martin anyway.
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Post by odyssey76 on Aug 1, 2014 16:04:43 GMT -6
I usually use my sta for tracking...but I've got a tube issue right now, so I used the WA76...well, without realizing, I kind of butchered a vocal today. Didn't realize when I was tracking, but the peaks are hot and distorted. Major bummer. I'm tracking down some issues, so hell - maybe it's not the 76. Maybe it's the headroom from the Helios. I definitely have a love/hate relationship with that pre. When it's right - man, it's right...but shit, the headroom is awful. Come to think of it, it reminds me of when I had the underpowered BAE rack and the headroom would go away. Since then, I've I've bought an API rack and haven't had any problems - but SOME shit is going on. Maybe I'll pull it out and switch spots to see if it corrects. JK - how much gain reduction on the peaks with the WA76? Also, how hot are you running the input on the WA76? You shouldn't be distorting that thing unless it's being hit really hard. I've been doing a lot of experimenting with mine on previously recorded vocals and can get way more GR than I need (upwards of 20 db) without distortion. Check you gain staging also something doesn't seems right.......unless it's the Helios of course. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 1, 2014 21:32:04 GMT -6
I tracked with it again with the Heider...but I laid off the input a ton...no distortion. But I think I've got something going on with the Helios.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 12:50:05 GMT -6
way off topic but I think you just took delivery of a cl 7802. I have one too but upgraded the transformers with custom run CineMag's; thought you might want to now that David Gerer, the Pres, benchtested the stock one I sent him and then custom designed a new transformer specifically for the cl7802 considering its tube stage you can order 100% steel or nickel or 50/50; I went zebra; easy mod, can send pics if you are interested oh back on topic got my 2 wa76's today and just was calibrating ( used m5 internal) them but am letting them burn in ! Is David Gerer the President of CL? I've tried to reach them for a week + by email and phone off the website. SORRY FOR BEING OT AGAIN |
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 2, 2014 16:27:14 GMT -6
yes i know he is swamped right now with OEM's placing custom orders He and were emailing a lot recently due to my transformer mod diy video for the panther mikes But if you are interested in the new trani's send him another email and mention we talked (Matt aka kcatthedog). He had sone all steel custom run transformers already made last year that he said aounded killer but I went with zebra 50/50 steel/nickel for a more hi fi sound : they drop right in current bolt pattern ! Good luck ! ="@heartfelt" source="/post/30348/thread" timestamp="1407005405"] way off topic but I think you just took delivery of a cl 7802. I have one too but upgraded the transformers with custom run CineMag's; thought you might want to now that David Gerer, the Pres, benchtested the stock one I sent him and then custom designed a new transformer specifically for the cl7802 considering its tube stage you can order 100% steel or nickel or 50/50; I went zebra; easy mod, can send pics if you are interested oh back on topic got my 2 wa76's today and just was calibrating ( used m5 internal) them but am letting them burn in ! Is David Gerer the President of CL? I've tried to reach them for a week + by email and phone off the website. [/quote] |
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