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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 26, 2014 8:36:28 GMT -6
Bones Howe setting, I think it's the only way he uses it?
Attack 6
Release 7
Ratio 12:1
-15 dbs of compression .
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Post by henge on Jun 26, 2014 8:58:01 GMT -6
Bones Howe setting, I think it's the only way he uses it? Attack 6 Release 7 Ratio 12:1 -15 dbs of compression . -15db of compression!! Wow. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 26, 2014 9:46:07 GMT -6
If I'm tracking vocals, I usually make the release really fast and the attack around noon. Just so it's only effecting the peaks. The more you slow the release down, the more you will hear the unit working.
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Post by odyssey76 on Jun 26, 2014 9:55:16 GMT -6
I might have a WA1176 at my place for a visit in a week or two. I'm mostly hoping for something to smooth out acoustic guitars a bit, but if vocal tracking is improved, I'll be a very happy camper. This is what I was really surprised about with the WA76...I still haven't used it a ton, but man, on the two acoustic guitars I used it on, it really, really smoothed out the transients peaks. Did exactly what I wanted it to do. I've been looking for a comp that will do this for acoustic guitars. I have the hardest time with acoustic guitar compression and usually don't use one at all. I always think I can hear it working in a bad way. I haven't tried a lot of hardware on acoustics but will look forward to hearing this one. |
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Post by odyssey76 on Jun 26, 2014 10:05:27 GMT -6
Bones Howe setting, I think it's the only way he uses it? Attack 6 Release 7 Ratio 12:1 -15 dbs of compression . There's a Bones Howe interview out there somewhere and he talks about his sessions with Tom Waites (and others). I remember reading that he hit vocals real hard - I want to say -12db to -15db. He said something to the effect of those settings being pure magic on vocals. Seems crazy but hard to argue with the results...,., |
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Post by scumbum on Jun 26, 2014 10:29:16 GMT -6
Bones Howe setting, I think it's the only way he uses it? Attack 6 Release 7 Ratio 12:1 -15 dbs of compression . There's a Bones Howe interview out there somewhere and he talks about his sessions with Tom Waites (and others). I remember reading that he hit vocals real hard - I want to say -12db to -15db. He said something to the effect of those settings being pure magic on vocals. Seems crazy but hard to argue with the results...,., Yep Bones Howe settings for vocals here too . Its set it and forget it for vocals . Except with the attack at 6 I get too much sibilance and the vocal sounds farther away . So I put the attack on 2.....which is 9 o'clock ....less sibilance and more up front vocals for me . For bass and guitars I use the 10 and 2 o'clock settings . Bass 4:1 ratio and -5 dbs of compression . Kick and snare = Slowest attack , fastest release , 4:1 , around -3 dbs of compression . |
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Post by odyssey76 on Jun 26, 2014 10:34:38 GMT -6
There's a Bones Howe interview out there somewhere and he talks about his sessions with Tom Waites (and others). I remember reading that he hit vocals real hard - I want to say -12db to -15db. He said something to the effect of those settings being pure magic on vocals. Seems crazy but hard to argue with the results...,., Yep Bones Howe settings for vocals here too . Its set it and forget it for vocals . Except with the attack at 6 I get too much sibilance and the vocal sounds farther away . So I put the attack on 2.....which is 9 o'clock ....less sibilance and more up front vocals for me .  For bass and guitars I use the 10 and 2 o'clock settings . Bass 4:1 ratio and -5 dbs of compression . Kick and snare = Slowest attack , fastest release , 4:1 , around -3 dbs of compression . Scumbum, You hitting the vocals with -15db? |
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Post by wiz on Jun 26, 2014 16:23:01 GMT -6
did anyone ever see an answer to the question of why the WA76's meter drifts around so much, and will change position when you select different gain reduction amounts?
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 26, 2014 17:16:55 GMT -6
This is what I was really surprised about with the WA76...I still haven't used it a ton, but man, on the two acoustic guitars I used it on, it really, really smoothed out the transients peaks. Did exactly what I wanted it to do. I've been looking for a comp that will do this for acoustic guitars. I have the hardest time with acoustic guitar compression and usually don't use one at all. I always think I can hear it working in a bad way. I haven't tried a lot of hardware on acoustics but will look forward to hearing this one. I haven't used the Great River 500 compressor - but the videos of it on AG's was pretty amazing. Love that it has the Lo Pass (Am I saying that right? I get it confused...the low's won't be effected by the compressor) |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 26, 2014 17:19:12 GMT -6
did anyone ever see an answer to the question of why the WA76's meter drifts around so much, and will change position when you select different gain reduction amounts? cheers Wiz there is calibration info on the warm site have you done that ? |
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Post by wiz on Jun 26, 2014 18:36:09 GMT -6
did anyone ever see an answer to the question of why the WA76's meter drifts around so much, and will change position when you select different gain reduction amounts? cheers Wiz there is calibration info on the warm site have you done that ? yessirreeebob!! 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 26, 2014 19:06:50 GMT -6
I've been looking for a comp that will do this for acoustic guitars. I have the hardest time with acoustic guitar compression and usually don't use one at all. I always think I can hear it working in a bad way. I haven't tried a lot of hardware on acoustics but will look forward to hearing this one. I haven't used the Great River 500 compressor - but the videos of it on AG's was pretty amazing. Love that it has the Lo Pass (Am I saying that right? I get it confused...the low's won't be effected by the compressor) 1st part, Hi pass= low cut, low pass=hi cut, kinda confusing isnit. 2nd part, it's actually the other way around(probably what you meant), the Lows won't trigger the compressor, but what ever frequencies that are allowed through by the filter, and trigger the compressor, compresses all frequencies unless it is a multi band. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 26, 2014 19:10:07 GMT -6
did anyone ever see an answer to the question of why the WA76's meter drifts around so much, and will change position when you select different gain reduction amounts? cheers Wiz i would think the wa is relatively close to my hairball rigs, i drilled holes through the front panel in line with a meter adjustment pot, its there so you can easily adjust the rather drifty meter that the 1176 circuit seems to suffer from. Does the WA have a little hole in the front panel? could be your answer? |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 26, 2014 19:33:12 GMT -6
You guys are way too handy with soldering irons and drills, you're making me feel like i need to go back to the shop classes I cut in high school.
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Post by wiz on Jun 26, 2014 20:47:01 GMT -6
did anyone ever see an answer to the question of why the WA76's meter drifts around so much, and will change position when you select different gain reduction amounts? cheers Wiz i would think the wa is relatively close to my hairball rigs, i drilled holes through the front panel in line with a meter adjustment pot, its there so you can easily adjust the rather drifty meter that the 1176 circuit seems to suffer from. Does the WA have a little hole in the front panel? could be your answer? Problem is you can set the zero at say 4 to 1 and switch to 8 to 1 and it's off. Same when you adjust the Release time Seems weirdish. Cheers Wiz |
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Post by scumbum on Jun 26, 2014 21:04:06 GMT -6
Yep Bones Howe settings for vocals here too . Its set it and forget it for vocals . Except with the attack at 6 I get too much sibilance and the vocal sounds farther away . So I put the attack on 2.....which is 9 o'clock ....less sibilance and more up front vocals for me . For bass and guitars I use the 10 and 2 o'clock settings . Bass 4:1 ratio and -5 dbs of compression . Kick and snare = Slowest attack , fastest release , 4:1 , around -3 dbs of compression . Scumbum, You hitting the vocals with -15db? Yeah -15 dbs on vocals . Thats the Bones Howe setting . Try it out ! For rock music its great . |
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Post by lolo on Jun 27, 2014 3:20:57 GMT -6
When i briefly played with it I had attack at 11 and release at 1 and it sounded goooood. 4:1 Great suggestions, this is why i love this place.  Def trying some of these out |
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Post by odyssey76 on Jun 27, 2014 3:38:03 GMT -6
I've been looking for a comp that will do this for acoustic guitars. I have the hardest time with acoustic guitar compression and usually don't use one at all. I always think I can hear it working in a bad way. I haven't tried a lot of hardware on acoustics but will look forward to hearing this one. I haven't used the Great River 500 compressor - but the videos of it on AG's was pretty amazing. Love that it has the Lo Pass (Am I saying that right? I get it confused...the low's won't be effected by the compressor) Thanks John, I know what you mean - it's actually the hi-pass (filtering out the lows so they're not triggering the compressor). Some good options indeed and I hadn't listened to the GR yet. I'm going to grab the WA76 in the near future and see what kind of results I get. I love 1176-type of compression on vocals and drums. |
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Post by odyssey76 on Jun 27, 2014 3:39:27 GMT -6
Scumbum, You hitting the vocals with -15db? Yeah -15 dbs on vocals . Thats the Bones Howe setting . Try it out ! For rock music its great . I'll give it a shot when I get one. Good tip on varying the attack time for sibilance issues….thanks. |
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Post by henge on Jun 27, 2014 4:30:48 GMT -6
i would think the wa is relatively close to my hairball rigs, i drilled holes through the front panel in line with a meter adjustment pot, its there so you can easily adjust the rather drifty meter that the 1176 circuit seems to suffer from. Does the WA have a little hole in the front panel? could be your answer? Problem is you can set the zero at say 4 to 1 and switch to 8 to 1 and it's off. Same when you adjust the Release time Seems weirdish. Cheers Wiz Hmmm I don't think mine do that! Just calibrate a forget. I'll test this morning... |
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Post by henge on Jun 27, 2014 4:32:29 GMT -6
did anyone ever see an answer to the question of why the WA76's meter drifts around so much, and will change position when you select different gain reduction amounts? cheers Wiz i would think the wa is relatively close to my hairball rigs, i drilled holes through the front panel in line with a meter adjustment pot, its there so you can easily adjust the rather drifty meter that the 1176 circuit seems to suffer from. Does the WA have a little hole in the front panel? could be your answer? Yup, a wee hole under the VU... |
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Post by henge on Jun 27, 2014 4:34:11 GMT -6
Bones Howe setting, I think it's the only way he uses it? Attack 6 Release 7 Ratio 12:1 -15 dbs of compression . Tony what are these positions in terms of the face of a clock? My numbers are different than regular 1176... |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 27, 2014 9:39:44 GMT -6
Bones Howe setting, I think it's the only way he uses it? Attack 6 Release 7 Ratio 12:1 -15 dbs of compression . Tony what are these positions in terms of the face of a clock? My numbers are different than regular 1176... here's ya go bromee  |
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Post by henge on Jun 27, 2014 13:01:16 GMT -6
Tony what are these positions in terms of the face of a clock? My numbers are different than regular 1176... here's ya go bromee Sweet! Thanks man. actually in that pic it looks like it's pretty much the slowest settings for both right? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 27, 2014 13:28:56 GMT -6
No bro, the higher numbers are fastest on 1176, is that what ur saying? I put the pic as a reference to the numbers, the pic is set to slowest it goes attac/release
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