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Post by Randge on Jun 21, 2014 11:29:33 GMT -6
So it is a switching supply and not like the originals.
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Post by Randge on Jun 21, 2014 11:31:04 GMT -6
Not the worst thing in the world but I am not crazy about wall warts and line lumps.
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Post by Ward on Jun 21, 2014 11:31:28 GMT -6
So it is a switching supply and not like the originals. R Somewhat correct. The manner in which the current gets into the 19" rack enclosure is not entirely identical, but the manner in which it is handled and distributed is the same... and in the exact same amounts. I still argue it's a Rev E and not Rev D, but that's another story. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 21, 2014 11:34:45 GMT -6
I don't know all the nuances of the different revisions, but I do really like the sound of this piece - and that's the ultimate metric, right? To me, it's just a no-brainer at this price. Now if it conks out in a month, I might have a different opinion.
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Post by odyssey76 on Jun 21, 2014 12:45:54 GMT -6
I don't know all the nuances of the different revisions, but I do really like the sound of this piece - and that's the ultimate metric, right? To me, it's just a no-brainer at this price. Now if it conks out in a month, I might have a different opinion. John, Can you give us a bit of a description of the sonic character of this unit on vocals and act. guitar? I've heard it can be clean/transparent and also heard it can be buttery and smooth. Just trying to get your thoughts so I can keep my momentum going forward until I buy one of these…… I have a hard time believing it's really transparent since it has Cinemag's on both the input and output stages. Thanks |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 21, 2014 13:06:55 GMT -6
sigh,,, "The WA76 Discrete Compressor is a modern reproduction of the Classic 1176 Revision D. The WA76 has a fully discrete signal path and uses the original Reichenbach Engineering's (now CineMag) transformer design. " I guess Bryce and David at CineMag don't know what they are doing and they got it wrong so the wa76 isn't a 1176 D clone and doesn't have the same transformer design as the original 1176 cus CineMag doesn't have the patent on the original and didn't replicate them for the wa76 ?  I am with John and and the owners who state it is one of the best comps for the ones they have owned; paraphrasing our friend cowboy; its as good as but sounds a little different then the real 1176's he has had over the years; good enough for me. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 21, 2014 18:05:48 GMT -6
sigh,,, "The WA76 Discrete Compressor is a modern reproduction of the Classic 1176 Revision D. The WA76 has a fully discrete signal path and uses the original Reichenbach Engineering's (now CineMag) transformer design. " I guess Bryce and David at CineMag don't know what they are doing and they got it wrong so the wa76 isn't a 1176 D clone and doesn't have the same transformer design as the original 1176 cus CineMag doesn't have the patent on the original and didn't replicate them for the wa76 ? I am with John and and the owners who state it is one of the best comps for the ones they have owned; paraphrasing our friend cowboy; its as good as but sounds a little different then the real 1176's he has had over the years; good enough for me. Kcatt, there are different types of transformers. Cinemag makes audio input and output transformers. There is also a power transformer, which is separate from the audio transformers, that resides in the lump in the power cord. The original revisions from UREI didn't have this type of power supply. This is completely unrelated to the Cinemag transformers. The line lump looks to be a generic, off the shelf, Chinese made lump, unlike the original UREI models. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 21, 2014 19:30:04 GMT -6
I completely understand; thx ! the sonics, i.e., the extent to which the wa76 sounds/performs like an original 1176 D stems from its circuitry and that the CineMag transformers are based on the original reichenbach design( CineMag acquired those rights when it was established). so given people's typically very favourable reviews and opinions abut the sonic quality of teh wa76, personally i am not in the purist camp and or can't afford to be wa76 I understand people's possible concerns about an actual wallwart but the actual power supply is still internal , it was just a manufacturing cost reduction decision. I think most (all ?) wa76 owners bought the wa76 on performance and price and do not want to pay the better part of 2 grand for a UA 1176 but ,of course, that is personal choice and also there are other hi end comps as well; just depends on what floats your boat anyway my original comments were just trygin to clarify what I have read Bruce say about his design and manufacturing decisions to share information not to argue with people about their preferences . |
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Post by mulmany on Jun 21, 2014 20:45:27 GMT -6
It is an AC to AC step down transformer in the line lump. It is not the power supply. I am all for on board transformers, since I hate warts and lumps, but it has no barring on the sound of the unit or the quality of the on board AC/DC power supply.
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Post by svart on Jun 21, 2014 21:13:20 GMT -6
Speaking as an engineer, power supply inside or outside, really doesn't make a difference. The only thing that matters is proper implementation of whatever it is that you do. Having the supply on the outside allows you to circumvent a number of FCC and CE testing requirements as long as the external supply is already FCC/CE rated, which most OEM supplies are. It also allows you more flexibility in troubleshooting and resolving customer issues, as the supply can be quickly replaced rather than sending the whole thing in for service.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 21, 2014 23:58:48 GMT -6
I've heard from trusted peeps that these sound really good, but the warm is not a clone(which is absolutely fine imv), it says right on their site that it's a "modern" reproduction of a D, AFAIK there are a few things that make original 1176's sound the way they do, and a bunch of those parts are simply NOT available but in "modern" versions anymore, or not used in the warm(carbon resistors?) I know one guy has a lock on some of these "things", and he also has a ton of the accurate NOS parts to get it done right, he has also implemented other control parameters that set his rig head and shoulders above any other units out there IMO, Serpent Audio Splice, it's a revA and D in one unit also!, i would love to hear impressions from some fella's that have both of these units as compared?,... cough JK/Sal cough
Serpent also makes the best La3a going IMO, the Chimera 500, AKA SA3A in 19" stereo rack version. I know the SA3A DIY kit is available again, i just bought another pair 8)
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Post by henge on Jun 22, 2014 5:08:19 GMT -6
Speaking as an engineer, power supply inside or outside, really doesn't make a difference. The only thing that matters is proper implementation of whatever it is that you do. Having the supply on the outside allows you to circumvent a number of FCC and CE testing requirements as long as the external supply is already FCC/CE rated, which most OEM supplies are. It also allows you more flexibility in troubleshooting and resolving customer issues, as the supply can be quickly replaced rather than sending the whole thing in for service. So why doesn't everyone use wall warts? |
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Post by svart on Jun 22, 2014 6:57:15 GMT -6
Speaking as an engineer, power supply inside or outside, really doesn't make a difference. The only thing that matters is proper implementation of whatever it is that you do. Having the supply on the outside allows you to circumvent a number of FCC and CE testing requirements as long as the external supply is already FCC/CE rated, which most OEM supplies are. It also allows you more flexibility in troubleshooting and resolving customer issues, as the supply can be quickly replaced rather than sending the whole thing in for service. So why doesn't everyone use wall warts? In some cases it's still more cost effective to use internal supplies. If you have multiple power rails, or need extreme filtering, or high powers, then it could be easier and cheaper to do it inside the box than using connectors and inline filtering that are expensive. There is also the case of using what you have. At my work, we use AC/DC "bricks" for a lot of things. We also use the same model for many products. Why? Cheaper in bulk than a custom supply for each product. We also know exactly how it works and can design around its flaws while counting on its attributes. |
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Post by deehope on Jun 22, 2014 10:49:56 GMT -6
Serpent also makes the best La3a going IMO, the Chimera 500, AKA SA3A in 19" stereo rack version. I know the SA3A DIY kit is available again, i just bought another pair 8) on his site?? I messaged over a month ago just to see if I can buy the faceplate still and Havent heard back. So the entire kit is available again??? For how long? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 22, 2014 11:03:35 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Jun 22, 2014 11:23:34 GMT -6
Speaking as an engineer, power supply inside or outside, really doesn't make a difference. The only thing that matters is proper implementation of whatever it is that you do. Having the supply on the outside allows you to circumvent a number of FCC and CE testing requirements as long as the external supply is already FCC/CE rated, which most OEM supplies are. It also allows you more flexibility in troubleshooting and resolving customer issues, as the supply can be quickly replaced rather than sending the whole thing in for service. Nice to be backed up. Thanks! |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 22, 2014 11:39:51 GMT -6
Hey T, any idea on total cost for all the parts/total build all-in? How difficult is this build? |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 22, 2014 12:04:55 GMT -6
I might have a WA76 at my place for a visit in a week or two. I'm mostly hoping for something to smooth out acoustic guitars a bit, but if vocal tracking is improved, I'll be a very happy camper.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 22, 2014 13:12:58 GMT -6
Hey T, any idea on total cost for all the parts/total build all-in? How difficult is this build? i would say around $450 a channel, or $900 for the pair, smoking good deal, all the popular la3a mods built in, it's a mid level build i'd say, but there is plenty of support for it. back to the wa76 here, sorry for the temp hijack |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 22, 2014 13:30:36 GMT -6
I might have a WA1176 at my place for a visit in a week or two. I'm mostly hoping for something to smooth out acoustic guitars a bit, but if vocal tracking is improved, I'll be a very happy camper. This is what I was really surprised about with the WA76...I still haven't used it a ton, but man, on the two acoustic guitars I used it on, it really, really smoothed out the transients peaks. Did exactly what I wanted it to do. |
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Post by joey808 on Jun 22, 2014 18:42:28 GMT -6
Martin,
From my experience great on vocal and guitars.This is coming from someone who was skeptical about this compressor.
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Post by lolo on Jun 26, 2014 5:21:04 GMT -6
Have mine for a couple of weeks now and really like it so far. Only played with it briefly as the day jobs been crazy.
Will be doing plenty of tracking for some new songs as soon as my mic is back from Shannon.
This is my first hardware 1176. whats a general good starting point for attack and release for tracking vocals? Yeah I know it depends on the song etc.....? Just referring to attack and release.
The bit that i played with it I really liked input around 9 and output around 12-1ish.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 26, 2014 7:28:31 GMT -6
The classic setting for an 1176 is setting the attack at 10 o'clock and release at 2 o'clock with a 4:1 ratio, then setting input and output to control the compression amount.
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Post by lolo on Jun 26, 2014 7:38:00 GMT -6
The classic setting for an 1176 is setting the attack at 10 o'clock and release at 2 o'clock with a 4:1 ratio, then setting input and output to control the compression amount. Thanks |
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Post by henge on Jun 26, 2014 8:32:52 GMT -6
The classic setting for an 1176 is setting the attack at 10 o'clock and release at 2 o'clock with a 4:1 ratio, then setting input and output to control the compression amount. This setting seems to sound great on everything! But listening to how the attack of the source is affected by adjusting the attack is a thing of beauty. From barely any attack to enhanced attack is so powerful. |
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