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Post by roundbadge on Aug 9, 2015 19:31:08 GMT -6
Spending 40K + for a new 16 channel console and having to modify it. Whats wrong with that picture. Yeah I've watched 150-200k consoles get modded to death. My bud had Firlotte do around 20k to his vintage API |
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Post by noah shain on Aug 9, 2015 22:48:56 GMT -6
Listening Noah's mix samples on headphones,the Capi channels instantly sound less congested,deeper,more expensive. Damn! I felt the same way. No brainer. Instantly heard more then I was actually hoping for. Pray for my schematics guys! |
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Post by roundbadge on Aug 10, 2015 8:49:58 GMT -6
Funny even on my tiny iphone speaker,the vocal/snare sounds bigger/more solid.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Aug 10, 2015 13:20:41 GMT -6
The biggest thing that jumps out at me is the smoother transients on the modded channel, especially on the kick, but also elsewhere like the acoustic gtr on the verses. In comparison the unmodded version feels a bit cluttered, like I was constantly being pulled away from focusing on the vocals. Even though it's subtle, the modded version increases my enjoyment of the song by a good margin. (cool song btw!).
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Post by odyssey76 on Aug 11, 2015 10:17:12 GMT -6
noah shain - are you going with Vp28's for pre's or something else? You putting Litz wire transformers in all the modules?
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Post by noah shain on Aug 11, 2015 13:16:10 GMT -6
noah shain - are you going with Vp28's for pre's or something else? You putting Litz wire transformers in all the modules? No we're not doing vp28s. Just changing the xformers,opamps and some caps/resistors. If you go back in the thread, Jeff gave a thorough explanation of what he did. I am moving forward with the rest of the console though. It was an immediate, no brainer. Within the first few seconds of listening I knew I'd be modding more. |
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Post by odyssey76 on Aug 11, 2015 14:03:42 GMT -6
noah shain - are you going with Vp28's for pre's or something else? You putting Litz wire transformers in all the modules? No we're not doing vp28s. Just changing the xformers,opamps and some caps/resistors. If you go back in the thread, Jeff gave a thorough explanation of what he did. I am moving forward with the rest of the console though. It was an immediate, no brainer. Within the first few seconds of listening I knew I'd be modding more. Ah, my mistake. I saw you talking about FC526's and LC53a's and thought those were all part of what you're putting in the console as well as the mods you've been talking about......... |
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Post by noah shain on Aug 11, 2015 14:11:11 GMT -6
No we're not doing vp28s. Just changing the xformers,opamps and some caps/resistors. If you go back in the thread, Jeff gave a thorough explanation of what he did. I am moving forward with the rest of the console though. It was an immediate, no brainer. Within the first few seconds of listening I knew I'd be modding more. Ah, my mistake. I saw you talking about FC526's and LC53a's and thought those were all part of what you're putting in the console as well as the mods you've been talking about......... Oh I am! That's why I'm selling all my 500 stuff! Stop by the classifieds! |
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Post by jeromemason on Aug 11, 2015 17:25:09 GMT -6
A lot of soldering in your future!
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Post by noah shain on Aug 11, 2015 18:02:11 GMT -6
A lot of soldering in your future! Indeed. Looking forward to it! |
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Post by noah shain on Aug 11, 2015 18:25:35 GMT -6
Summing sections
Summing sections
Summing sections
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 11, 2015 19:11:17 GMT -6
noah shain this is gonna be one serious rig man! Excited for you! So, you're going to put fc526's and lc53's across how many channels? What is the layout on your console exactly? Did you find any answers to acquiring the schematic? It seems it'd be an easy thing to get a hold of..? do they make you send the thing in for repairs or have approved service techs they want you to use? I couldn't imagine them not giving a paying customer schemo's so they can service their own rig...
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Post by ericn on Aug 11, 2015 19:42:33 GMT -6
I think Noah needs to add a "C" to the logo of that console!
But man those modded channels sound how I would want a API 1608 to sound!
Noah this thread might motivate the folks at API to be less than helpful l.
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Post by noah shain on Aug 11, 2015 20:32:41 GMT -6
noah shain this is gonna be one serious rig man! Excited for you! So, you're going to put fc526's and lc53's across how many channels? What is the layout on your console exactly? Did you find any answers to acquiring the schematic? It seems it'd be an easy thing to get a hold of..? do they make you send the thing in for repairs or have approved service techs they want you to use? I couldn't imagine them not giving a paying customer schemo's so they can service their own rig... That's the goal! It's 16 channels. I'm imagining 16 litz wire lc53s and 8 litz wire fc526s in the 8 aux slots! |
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Post by noah shain on Aug 11, 2015 21:02:45 GMT -6
I think Noah needs to add a "C" to the logo of that console! But man those modded channels sound how I would want a API 1608 to sound! Noah this thread might motivate the folks at API to be less than helpful l. Spport has been great for the 2+ years I've had the console. Very responsive and generous. No disrespect to anyone is intended by doing these mods. In fact it's a lovely console. LOT'S of great records being made on them. I'm after a vintage sound but want modern reliability. That's really it. Let's coin a new phrase to go along with "warm" "fat" "bright" "present" etc... Litz Like, "That bass needs more Litz" or "Man, that mic pre sounds so Litz!!" |
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Post by gouge on Aug 11, 2015 23:05:21 GMT -6
Is it possible to do half the board as a heider mod?
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Post by noah shain on Aug 12, 2015 8:00:32 GMT -6
Is it possible to do half the board as a heider mod? Maybe we should take up a fund? A kickstarter!! The RGO 1608C |
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Post by odyssey76 on Aug 12, 2015 12:47:11 GMT -6
Is it possible to do half the board as a heider mod? Maybe we should take up a fund? A kickstarter!! The RGO 1608C Do we get to pass it around like svart's converters?  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Aug 12, 2015 16:16:22 GMT -6
Is it possible to do half the board as a heider mod? Maybe we should take up a fund? A kickstarter!! The RGO 1608C And then donate it to RGO World Headquarters (my house) |
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Post by gouge on Aug 12, 2015 16:33:28 GMT -6
Is it possible to do half the board as a heider mod? Maybe we should take up a fund? A kickstarter!! The RGO 1608C well I figure if you are already modding it why not do some of it as a heider.
here is the speil from tape op.
"Frank DeMedio based this console on the API 312 preamp card, but made some important modifications, including replacing the input transformer and removing decoupling capacitors. These changes created an API-based console with a unique sounding midrange and a smooth top end. This console can be heard on records such as Fleetwood Mac's Rumours and The Foo Fighters 1995 eponymous release."
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Post by noah shain on Aug 12, 2015 16:48:26 GMT -6
Maybe we should take up a fund? A kickstarter!! The RGO 1608C well I figure if you are already modding it why not do some of it as a heider.
here is the speil from tape op.
"Frank DeMedio based this console on the API 312 preamp card, but made some important modifications, including replacing the input transformer and removing decoupling capacitors. These changes created an API-based console with a unique sounding midrange and a smooth top end. This console can be heard on records such as Fleetwood Mac's Rumours and The Foo Fighters 1995 eponymous release."
JS can confirm but that sounds a lot like what he did. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Aug 12, 2015 17:17:21 GMT -6
^ Especially to his Heiders!
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Post by Guitar on Aug 14, 2015 7:56:22 GMT -6
#1 sounds the most different to me so I am going to guess that's the modified channel.
#2 and #3 are a lot closer I am going to take a wild guess that #3 is the stock channel. #2 sounds slightly smoother.
Gosh, blind guessing is terrifying, I might just have to retire if I'm completely wrong.
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Post by baquin on Aug 14, 2015 8:45:11 GMT -6
I'm late to this post, but it's so cool. Those modded channels sound so good and smooth. The mix is great too Noah, and the difference between both channels are heard in my ipod earbuds.
I think I go the same as monkeyxx. I'm still listening through cheap earbuds, so if everything fails, I'm gonna blame them.
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Post by noah shain on Aug 14, 2015 17:58:37 GMT -6
Nobody else gonna take a stab at this?
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