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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 21, 2015 10:05:51 GMT -6
hmm.. I've got so many distortion options, I forgot I even had the Klanghelm.
I have the UAD LA2 collection, the Slate VBC, AOM, almost almost every Waves plug compressor known to man, not to mention the six Apple compressors that top them all, (with the exception of the VBC on the 2 bus), and I've used the mk 1 Sta level.
I'd like a better plug-in compressor for vocals. The UAD LA2A is so far, the best general plug-in compressor I've heard for vocals. Do you think the Klanghelm would top that?
Eventually, I'd like to print vocals with a hardware compressor like the Sta Level or maybe the Dizengoff D864 Vari-Mu. Right now, I print with a little WA76 and the Warm Audio EQP-1A, and sometimes with no WA76, depending.
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Post by Ward on Oct 21, 2015 10:21:36 GMT -6
Yes it is ward. You can hear the bogging on very dynamic sources when pushed. It sounds pretty darn accurate I'll tell you. That's impressive!
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Post by drsax on Oct 26, 2015 19:26:42 GMT -6
I'm late to this party, but purchased the MJUC a couple days ago... Wow. This thing really sounds nice for a plugin! I have almost all the best UAD comps and this thing definitely holds its own. I'm very impressed!
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Post by Guitar on Oct 27, 2015 7:39:21 GMT -6
Martin I'm really interested in comparing this to UAD LA2A also. I'll let you know if I get the chance, I think I'll probably buy MJUC on Friday when I get paid.
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Post by drsax on Oct 28, 2015 14:54:02 GMT -6
Martin I'm really interested in comparing this to UAD LA2A also. I'll let you know if I get the chance, I think I'll probably buy MJUC on Friday when I get paid. the new UAD La2a are some of my favs... And I think the MJUC is as good and perhaps better. It sounds more open and 3d. But keep in mind the MJUC is not modeled after an La2a It's a great plugin.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 24, 2016 20:45:16 GMT -6
Anyone having an issue with the HPF on the comp not working? Sounds like it's still triggering...and I can even take the HPF up to 600z and it's catching the kick.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 24, 2016 20:59:53 GMT -6
Anyone having an issue with the HPF on the comp not working? Sounds like it's still triggering...and I can even take the HPF up to 600z and it's catching the kick. Sometimes I had the feel its not working.... write Tony he will get back fast for a one man show...
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 24, 2016 21:54:28 GMT -6
Testing them out, it seems as though each one acts differently. The Sta (mkIII) seems to work like it's supposed to - completely passes the kick when engaged. MKII does so less and Mki even less than that.
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Post by henge on Feb 24, 2016 22:21:32 GMT -6
Testing them out, it seems as though each one acts differently. The Sta (mkIII) seems to work like it's supposed to - completely passes the kick when engaged. MKII does so less and Mki even less than that. This is what I'm finding as well.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 24, 2016 23:13:21 GMT -6
I wonder if this is a bug or if this is the way each unit responds? Considering the original units didn't have hpf's, I assume it's a bug.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 15:11:47 GMT -6
Hmm, i am still exploring it's possibilities. But for sure this was one of my best buys ever. I did not even play around with the HPF yet, so i haven't noticed this behaviour...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 15:25:00 GMT -6
Ahhh, just a moment.... Do you mean the sidechain filter? It is not in the audiopath, so sure you get the kick still. This filter feeds the sidechain, so that you can mimimize the effect of bass to the compression. This way you can minimize pumping due to bass e.g. in mixbus compression. It's what A.P.I. "Thrust" filter does, essentially. Or did i miss your point? It can have a different effect on different compressor type, if the sidechain is acting differently.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 25, 2016 15:42:42 GMT -6
Yeah - I meant the HPF side chain. But I assumed that when you turn the knob to 250Hz, nothing below 250 is getting compressed...that's not the case. On the MkI, you can crank it all the way up to like 600Hz and the kick is still getting compressed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 16:31:56 GMT -6
Ah, i see. This obviously is no intended behaviour. I guess this is a case for the developer Tony. If it's working accurately in one model, it should be fairly easy to find the bug in the others and correct the filters.
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Post by unit7 on Feb 25, 2016 16:38:22 GMT -6
But I assumed that when you turn the knob to 250Hz, nothing below 250 is getting compressed...that's not the case. HPF sidechain shouldn't change the effect of the GR itself, meaning that for instance 6db GR will sound the same regardless of HPF sidechain in or out. But with HPF in, the idea is that the GR sensor should ignore lower frequencies to make the compressor less sensitive for bass heavy material. But it still compresses full range. You need a multiband comp to get different GR action on different frequency bands. Sorry if I'm sounding like a smartass. Not my intention at all.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 16:58:11 GMT -6
Thanks Paul! This is totally correct - IF compression happens, it affects all frequencies. The difference is only in the signal that reaches the detection circuit/algorithm. D'oh!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 17:07:38 GMT -6
It's easy to check the general functionality of the SC filter. Feed it with a signal that is pre-filtered and does not contain any material higher than the sidechain filter freq. The sidechain should not detect anything and there should be no compression at all...well, a bit depending on the transition steepness of the filter, of course.
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Post by jazznoise on Feb 25, 2016 17:13:19 GMT -6
But I assumed that when you turn the knob to 250Hz, nothing below 250 is getting compressed...that's not the case. HPF sidechain shouldn't change the effect of the GR itself, meaning that for instance 6db GR will sound the same regardless of HPF sidechain in or out. But with HPF in, the idea is that the GR sensor should ignore lower frequencies to make the compressor less sensitive for bass heavy material. But it still compresses full range. You need a multiband comp to get different GR action on different frequency bands. Sorry if I'm sounding like a smartass. Not my intention at all. Slight addendum: The HPF does sort of effect what's being compressed. Everything is full bandwidth, of course, but if the SC is HPF'd then you essentially force the compressor to listen to HF content. This operation is a differentiation, removing what's common to each sample, which means it reacts to transients more than sustained tones. The effect isn't quite the same as changing the time constants, but it's similar.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 25, 2016 17:22:10 GMT -6
Yeah - I get that what IS compressed is compressed no differently than normal, but just to put it simply, if I have the Sidechain HPF set to 250Hz, then my kick should not be getting compressed...I can see that it's getting compressed because when the kick plays, the GR meter moves. Seems to be more prominent on MKI, less on MKII and doesn't happen on III
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Post by unit7 on Feb 25, 2016 17:43:33 GMT -6
Yeah - I get that what IS compressed is compressed no differently than normal, but just to put it simply, if I have the Sidechain HPF set to 250Hz, then my kick should not be getting compressed...I can see that it's getting compressed because when the kick plays, the GR meter moves. Seems to be more prominent on MKI, less on MKII and doesn't happen on III So this is drums only? Nothing else (above 250Hz) in the material that could be triggering the comp? If not, it sure sounds like a bug..
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 25, 2016 17:46:41 GMT -6
Yeah - using it on the drumbus. Can you guys that have the plug see if it does it for you too? I'm at the latest version.
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Post by unit7 on Feb 25, 2016 17:53:04 GMT -6
Yeah - using it on the drumbus. Can you guys that have the plug see if it does it for you too? I'm at the latest version. Out of town until Saturday. Curious to check this when I get back
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 25, 2016 18:22:48 GMT -6
I feel I'm OK with the compressors I have, UAD's 1176's, LA2A's, Slate's VBC, FG-X, and every Waves compressor known to man, and a few others scattered around. I've settled on the CLA 1176 bass preset, and sometimes acoustic guitar preset, although if I can, I try to track acoustics with a little WA76, but don't always feel like bothering with it.
It's in the 2 bus when Mastering I'm still not thrilled. All that hype from so many companies, and you know what, Apple's Focusrite and DBX compressors smoke em all. FG-X will eventually have a big 2.0 re-design update, so that could prove interesting, but don't hold your breath, remember, Slate, always late ;-)
I see you guys like this plug for drums and bass. Where I'm most interested in is a clean gain 2 bus compressor and if possible, a better vocal compressor plug than the UAD LA2A. In my imagination, I have two Retro Sta-levels, cut my vocals with one, then master with both of them.
From the demo, I really liked #1 on vocals. The Retro (3# disappointed me on the 2 Bus)
Still for me, vocals are everything, so I'll probably pop for this tomorrow when I'm not so tired. How was the installation? Any glitches? I have some Klangheim plugs, I don't recall any issues. I use Logic X.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Feb 25, 2016 18:28:15 GMT -6
Yeah - using it on the drumbus. Can you guys that have the plug see if it does it for you too? I'm at the latest version. Run a sine wave into the compressor at 150hz.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2016 19:01:40 GMT -6
I threw a drumbus on it in Mixbus. I filtered hi-freq content out. For this i use ReaFIR with really steepest and brutal filtering and can control with the inbuilt analyzer.
The SC filter generally works, also seemingly with the corner frequencies. But- yes, there is still more compression, the more I turn the compression knob clockwise. Otherwise, if i up the input volume outside MJUC, there is less compression going on. Overall, compression is strongly reduced when engaging the SCF.
So i *assume* the following from these readouts... The circuit is analog modelled with tube models that simulate saturation. The harder i turn the Compress knob, the more overtones i get due to tube saturation of this input circuitry. These saturation overtones go thru the SCF if i assume, that it is fed from the input circuit and not the duplicated original digital input signal - no matter if the original material did not contain a frequency range above the SCF frequency. I also assume that this position of the SCF is intended, because this is how a SCF would be implemented in analog world. I would also assume that the SCF is no perfect filter but analog modelled, too - but i don't know. In digital world it is possible to feed the unchanged signal circumventing the input circuitry and only applying absolute clean gain if needed. Even if i turn the "drive" button to clean, i get seemingly not "digitally" clean, i.e. simple multiplication gain, but a run thru the tube model, still with unlinearities. Because i still get compression - not much, but i do. Personally, i find this behaviour very interesting and nearer to analog and more complex. It would also explain the differences in the models due to different input circuitry. I never was into the details of vari mu circuits, because i never built one for myself...so i have no educated guess how realistic the compression results are concerning real world sidechains in such an application or if it is vastly off - and therefore a *real* bug. (Maybe i should give the PRR poor mans vari mu a try...i am getting very interested....)
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