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Post by baquin on Mar 2, 2015 22:37:10 GMT -6
Congratulations Tony, Winetree and everyone involved (cricket too), this is hands down awesome! Your time and wisdom spent is much appreciated.
My C12 favorite was #1, now I have to figure out if I sell my Avantone CV12 or take the risk to mod it from the ground up. Any suggestions?
JK's MKU47 and Winetree's U47 is something I haven't heard until now(first time hearing a working U47). There's some "wow" factor in those mics, not downgrading both BeezKneez which are really good too.
Last but not least, the U87 was my favorite. Again both are incredible.
Now I want one of each, maybe 2 C12s for OH's.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 3, 2015 8:07:06 GMT -6
I'd sell your avantone and get two studio 939 kits and Tim Campbell will provide two matched caps if you request them !
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Post by Ward on Mar 3, 2015 9:20:08 GMT -6
As usual, I must be the odd man out!!!
From the 3 C12 types, I preferred #3 - the 414 with the Tim Campbell capsule. Because there is something happening in the presence to air ranges that I love. No one buys or uses a C12 or C414 for 'bottom end' or 'body'... we buy and use them for their lightness, presence, clarity, air, sparkle and transparency in a mix.
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Post by ioaudio on Mar 3, 2015 19:45:29 GMT -6
Wow, been away from the net for a couple of days just to find your shootout - thanks Tony!
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 4, 2015 0:00:43 GMT -6
Wow, been away from the net for a couple of days just to find your shootout - thanks Tony! You're the man MAX! also, there is no way this would have happened without my pal winetree! |
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Post by baquin on Mar 4, 2015 0:09:42 GMT -6
I'd sell your avantone and get two studio 939 kits and Tim Campbell will provide two matched caps if you request them ! Thanks kcatthedog I think I'm gonna do that. It seems to be more work than it seems to mod the CV12. |
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Post by levon on Mar 4, 2015 0:36:24 GMT -6
Nice work guys. I can hear you had some fun, right on. That 84 with the Dizengoff D4 sounds beautiful. Now, how do I get a D4 in Europe?? (scratches head)
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Post by kidvybes on Mar 4, 2015 8:54:43 GMT -6
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Post by baquin on Mar 4, 2015 12:52:45 GMT -6
I know I asked...but oh well, I won't derail anymore this thread. That research seems pretty interesting and caught my eye. Now I must email Brian Fox, thanks kidvybes |
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Post by dizengoff on Mar 5, 2015 11:09:37 GMT -6
Nice work guys. I can hear you had some fun, right on. That 84 with the Dizengoff D4 sounds beautiful. Now, how do I get a D4 in Europe?? (scratches head) You can order one wired for EU voltage and it'll be shipped to you  . Matt |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 6, 2015 21:20:26 GMT -6
Crickets in February, you guys on the coast suck.. BTW, this is my opinion and worth what you pay for it, but that MK U47 sample is a shinning example of how to kick the shit out of a vintage 47. I know it's a little louder but I can hear past that. That MK U 47 is stunning the realism it has. Not a mic for everyone. Some vocalists should, errm wear some make up so to speak |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 6, 2015 22:29:46 GMT -6
I have a feeling this is gonna solve my SDC craving on acoustic...
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Post by gouge on Mar 6, 2015 22:34:52 GMT -6
Crickets in February, you guys on the coast suck.. BTW, this is my opinion and worth what you pay for it, but that MK U47 sample is a shinning example of how to kick the shit out of a vintage 47. I know it's a little louder but I can hear past that. That MK U 47 is stunning the realism it has. Not a mic for everyone. Some vocalists should, errm wear some make up so to speak yup,
I preferred it on everything.
voice, acoustic, cricket.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 7, 2015 3:59:22 GMT -6
Crickets in February, you guys on the coast suck.. BTW, this is my opinion and worth what you pay for it, but that MK U47 sample is a shinning example of how to kick the shit out of a vintage 47. I know it's a little louder but I can hear past that. That MK U 47 is stunning the realism it has. Not a mic for everyone. Some vocalists should, errm wear some make up so to speak yup,
I preferred it on everything.
voice, acoustic, cricket.
I was really impressed with how it handled those cricket transients : guess its that natural compression ! |
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Post by ben on Mar 9, 2015 12:12:02 GMT -6
C12'SC12-1= Matachung C12 with Tim Campbell CT12 capsule, AMI tranny, and Christian Whitmore 6072 5 star GE C12-2= Matachung C12 with Beeznees capsule, ami tranny, GE 5 star tube C12-3= AKG 414 with Tim Campbell CT12 capsule U67 clone vs Neumann Wally Heider U87U-1 is the Neumann U87 U-2 is the poctop U67 clone MK47 clones kickeddog/beeznees pairing onesample-1 is Mk47 with blueline and northern electric 408 tubes sample-2 is Mk47 with beeznees K-7 capsule, western electric tubes Vintage Neumann U47 vs MKU47 clonessample 1=vintage Neumann U47 sample 2=Max Kircher MKU47 clone, with Thiersch Blueline capsule, and RCA gold tipped 408A tubes The D4 pre makes the U87 sound so nice to my ears. I'm listening on a set of Dre Beats Solo HD's and I also took a listen earlier on Bose desktop speakers, so my opinions here are based on those devices and not studio monitors, but I also think that most people will be listening on these kinds of monitors and not studio gear. The C12's: The TC capsule sounds SO sweet in the Matachung mic. The Beesneez is a bit darker than I remember in my Matachung, but there are many variables for that. Would need EQ to get the right sound from that, whereas the TC does not. I'm not sure what I think about the 414 with the TC. A bit bright for my taste. Some like it, some don't. Either way, very smooth and not harsh at all. The MK47: Both sound fantastic to me. The ST Blueline has a certain high-gloss polish that makes the MK47 sound so pretty on many things. When I saw that the other MK47 was the Beesneez K7, I was very surprised. I honestly cannot say which I like better, and I'm very impressed with the K7 capsule. Not as glossy as the ST, but sometimes the gloss can be a bit over the top. MKU47JK: Wow, here's the meat and potatoes of what this thread is all about. An original Neumann U47 v. the MKu47. Do we know what cap is in the original? Both sound different, but great. The original seems a bit thicker in the lower mids without being muddy, but the MK has an overall more beautiful sound. I'd choose the MK over the original if I had to pick one. Still, I feel that if the MK had a K47 capsule, the two would sound much closer, with the MK having more "magic" than the original. If you don't like either of these mics, you don't like a U47, period. Tony and Max, you guys did a fantastic job with JK's mic. There is no way anyone can say that it is not every bit as good, if not better than an original U47. |
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Post by ben on Mar 9, 2015 12:20:17 GMT -6
The matachung C12 kit comes with Eric Heiserman C12 i believe, i've never heard one of his C12 capsules so i cant speak to its sound? I can tell you Eric's a great guy from my few conversations with him, and his K67 capsules that i own sound very good! I put an HK12 in the Matachung I recently sold and the buyer contacted me raving about the sound. It's definitely on the brighter side of CK12's, and sounds so smooth the Matachung circuit. Highly recommended for that sound, and Eric is awesome to work with. |
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Post by Shannon on Mar 11, 2015 9:53:22 GMT -6
DDDAAAAAMMMMM a brother got his nose to the grindstone, AANNDD all you mofo's getting CRA CRA up in here .. sampling and spinning, critiquing , and shit
to all those responsible my hats off to you. There was a lot of EXCELLENT BUILDS ( you know who you are) recordings, time put into such a thorough kewl ass event next time help a brother out
and send some invites out…..
very kewl can i use your mic for while JK
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Post by ericn on Mar 11, 2015 12:51:03 GMT -6
DDDAAAAAMMMMM a brother got his nose to the grindstone, AANNDD all you mofo's getting CRA CRA up in here .. sampling and spinning, critiquing , and shit to all those responsible my hats off to you. There was a lot of EXCELLENT BUILDS ( you know who you are) recordings, time put into such a thorough kewl ass event next time help a brother out and send some invites out….. very kewl can i use your mic for while JK Now that would be interesting ! |
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Post by kidvybes on Mar 21, 2015 19:11:15 GMT -6
...just for comparison, another acoustic guitar shootout (blind) was done pitting n MK-U47 (with Thiersch Redline) against an original U47 (with Neumann K47 capsule)...also a Matachung C12 (with CT12 capsules) and an original Neumann M269: groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=50694.msg749741#msg749741Attachments:
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 24, 2015 15:05:21 GMT -6
I finally had a second to listen to these. So here are some quick random notes. JK your mic sounds like mine. Your gonna love it! I think it was the best of the bunch. The 87 sounds great, I don't love the preamp its paired with. What capsule, tube and transformer in the 67 clone? Mine sounds quite a bit different then that. The C12 #2 would have been my favorite of the c12 stuff had it had more top end. I am starting to think the BN capsules are hit and miss. I just built a pair for a friend and they sounded right. But I have heard others say they are missing top and that sounds like those could use some top as well. I KNOW Shannon would make that mic rule! All in all. Lots of great mics and thanks for doing that! |
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Post by watchtower on Mar 31, 2015 22:55:35 GMT -6
Finally saw this thread. Is there a reason you guys did all separate takes, as opposed to putting mics of the same type up at once? It's sort of hard to compare when all the takes are different.
I have to say, I instantly recognized that K7. It sounds more "congested" in the lows than the Thiersch when the acoustic strums a big chord. Now I really want an MK-U47 with a blueline cap.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 1, 2015 0:06:18 GMT -6
Finally saw this thread. Is there a reason you guys did all separate takes, as opposed to putting mics of the same type up at once? It's sort of hard to compare when all the takes are different. I have to say, I instantly recognized that K7. It sounds more "congested" in the lows than the Thiersch when the acoustic strums a big chord. Now I really want an MK-U47 with a blueline cap. Yes there is a reason, mainly because it's a pita lol. You said you heard specific things, which tells me you know what to listen for. We had the mic spot taped on the floor, and the distance was always repeated and dialed in carefully by myself and a tape measure, the guitar tone didn't change, and i played the same part(badly) over and over with the same pick, so the only variable was my personal dynamic tendencies, which still..are what they are. Putting all the mics up at the same time leaves capsules inches away from one another, and as we all know, a single inch difference in mic placement changes a sound pretty dramatically, so the bad of that reality far outweighed the benefit of a single take imo. If you know what you're listening for, you should be able to glean plenty from the samples the way they're presented, and from reading your comments, you did exactly that, I had a virtually identical impression to yours 8) |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 1, 2015 4:56:01 GMT -6
Finally saw this thread. Is there a reason you guys did all separate takes, as opposed to putting mics of the same type up at once? It's sort of hard to compare when all the takes are different. I have to say, I instantly recognized that K7. It sounds more "congested" in the lows than the Thiersch when the acoustic strums a big chord. Now I really want an MK-U47 with a blueline cap. Yes there is a reason, mainly because it's a pita lol. You said you heard specific things, which tells me you know what to listen for. We had the mic spot taped on the floor, and the distance was always repeated and dialed in carefully by myself and a tape measure, the guitar tone didn't change, and i played the same part(badly) over and over with the same pick, so the only variable was my personal dynamic tendencies, which still..are what they are. Putting all the mics up at the same time leaves capsules inches away from one another, and as we all know, a single inch difference in mic placement changes a sound pretty dramatically, so the bad of that reality far outweighed the benefit of a single take imo. If you know what you're listening for, you should be able to glean plenty from the samples the way they're presented, and from reading your comments, you did exactly that, I had a virtually identical impression to yours 8) Tempo swayed too.  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 1, 2015 7:58:20 GMT -6
I don't follow the scientific approach to shootouts myself. There are other folks much better at it than me. I feel exactly like Tony. When I hear those mic shootouts with 2,4,6, mics all recording one take, I'm skeptical, because you can be damn sure the far left mic if moved to the far right would sound different. Still, I love those shootouts anyway, they do offer a lot of insight into the character of a mic. Me, i do the same thing like the guys did here, set up in exactly the same place, try to play as close to the same way as possible, and let things be what they are.
Of course people can poke holes in these methods in a silly attempt to invalidate them, but I rarely see any posts from the naysayers where they took the time to do it their way ;-)
I chose my mic by comparing four first class mics in a shootout online. It sounded exactly like the mic I chose, so in my case, the files posted were super helpful. In NY, there are some stores with 200 mics behind a glass case, but no way to try them. There's one store (B&H) with hundreds of mics, and a private room with the top twenty mics, choice of top of the line preamps, where you can pop some headphones on and audition them. Guess where I go when I need to buy retail..
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Post by Ward on Apr 1, 2015 21:06:01 GMT -6
Tempo swayed too. OH DEAR GOD, NO!!! Burn him at the stake!! |
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