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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 1, 2015 18:49:44 GMT -6
ok, we have 4-U47's in the mix, i'm going to break it up into 2 posts, 2 mics each.
1. Neumann U47 #38, we had an issue with a ground, and stayed at it until 12:00am before we got it fixed, that said it still has some noise that we don't know what to attribute to? So it sounds really good with a high noise floor, which doesn't give an accurate representation to what it should and could sound like, but you can still hear an amazing sound trying to get out of it.
2. Kickeddog MK47, is my mic, it has a blueline and northern electric tubes, the body is a GT2b body that's beat to shit from me experimenting with it, the headbasket is totally whack(looking) from messing with it's acoustics.
3. MK47 in a equinox body, with a beeznees K7 in it, western 408 tubes.
4. JK's MKU47, with a blueline capsule, RCA 408A gold tips that are amazing sounding to my ears, dead quiet and so smooth it's silly, it was my fav of the whole shootout, i'll even go as far as saying it's one of the best mics i think i've ever heard.
we had an elam 251 clone, and a modded Oktava shit the bed on us as well, we seriously had some strange issues to the degree of us thinking it was the audio gods messing with us?? culminating with me accidentally shoving a tiny screwdriver about a 1/2" into my thumb meat while trying to spread a connector! Despite all the resistance we got a good amount done, and most importantly, we had a great time to spite the hassles, Robert is cool peeps for damn sure 8) this is between kickeddog and beeznees, the answers to follow next post https%3A//soundcloud.com/tonycamp/kickeddog47https%3A//soundcloud.com/tonycamp/kickeddogbeezkneesu47s-2
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Post by M57 on Mar 1, 2015 18:55:11 GMT -6
Here's my Hack Analysis.. When compared to C2, C1 and C3 are so similar that they are not distinguishable when all listened to in order - i.e., the 414 sounds pretty damn good. But when A/Bing 1 and 3, the higher end (edges) of the AKG start to become noticeable, while with the C12 with the TC capsule the sound just floats around like the finish of a fine wine long after I've heard it.
Most of the time I preferred the presence of U1 (the U87). But toward the end of the recording with the guitar, for some reason the Poctop started to sound a little sweeter. I don't know how much I'm being biased by proximity effect. Can someone perhaps throw a little light on that issue for me?
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Post by kidvybes on Mar 1, 2015 19:01:06 GMT -6
U2 on geetar, sweet! (just turn up the volume)...Poctop D-67!...nice!
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 1, 2015 19:13:21 GMT -6
Here's my Hack Analysis.. When compared to C2, C1 and C3 are so similar that they are not distinguishable when all listened to in order - i.e., the 414 sounds pretty damn good. But when A/Bing 1 and 3, the higher end (edges) of the AKG start to become noticeable, while with the C12 with the TC capsule the sound just floats around like the finish of a fine wine long after I've heard it. Most of the time I preferred the presence of U1 (the U87). But toward the end of the recording with the guitar, for some reason the Poctop started to sound a little sweeter. I don't know how much I'm being biased by proximity effect. Can someone perhaps throw a little light on that issue for me? the mic was 20+" or so off the guitar, so proximity was kept to minimum(though not completely eliminated), the U67 clone sounded very good to me, this 87 is pretty special for sure, i'm thinking that C1/C-12 mic would sound ridiculously good through the Dizengoff D-4 driving it? I was really impressed with our quick use of that thing, it's not even technically broken in...? Unless dizengoff does it at their shop?(my bet is they do burn them in there, unburned tubes is a crap shoot for a gear manufacturer I would think..)
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 1, 2015 19:42:49 GMT -6
on the last post, kickeddog 1st post is my "kickeddog", 2nd is the beeznees
Ok, so here's the final 2=U47's, the Neumann U47#38 and JK's MKU47 Hope this was fun for you guys, i tried to keep it a little suspenseful and torture JK a bit 8) I'll post the answers next post though it should be pretty clear. https%3A//soundcloud.com/tonycamp/neumannu47jkmku47https%3A//soundcloud.com/tonycamp/neumannu47jkmku47-2
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 19:44:44 GMT -6
I wanted to hear all 47s so badly before you reveal the identities, hrmpf, but you already made it less thrilling with the first U post. :-D And since you gave some more information, now everybody will spot the JK mic instantly. Too bad. So you have to get back some suspense with giving us some more time to think and rant about what we already heard now. ;-) Edit: Argh! Too late!
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 1, 2015 19:49:12 GMT -6
Both of those 47's sound great...now...lets hear that MK-U47
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 1, 2015 19:53:56 GMT -6
I wanted to hear all 47s so badly before you reveal the identities, hrmpf, but you already made it less thrilling with the first U post. :-D And since you gave some more information, now everybody will spot the JK mic instantly. Too bad. So you have to get back some suspense with giving us some more time to think and rant about what we already heard now. ;-) Edit: Argh! Too late! sorry bud, i tried... If you listen a few times things become pretty clear, you nailed the C12/414 thing imo.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 1, 2015 19:55:03 GMT -6
Wow - yeah - I believe mine was the last, huh? Sounds great...Sounds like #3 was the Neumann. More rolled off top that could just be due to age. It sounds great too though. I thought the first two sounded just as good.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 1, 2015 19:55:36 GMT -6
Got that rich velvety bottom...thanks, Tony!
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Post by odyssey76 on Mar 1, 2015 19:57:25 GMT -6
Tony and winetree, you guys are seriously awesome. What an effort to make this happen! Gonna' have a better listen through the monitors (on earbuds now) before I do any choosing. Thanks for taking the time guys.......!
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 1, 2015 19:59:10 GMT -6
Both of those 47's sound great...now...lets hear that MK-U47 ? the last post was both the Neumann and your mic on 1-2 clips.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 1, 2015 20:00:50 GMT -6
on the last post, kickeddog 1st post is my "kickeddog", 2nd is the beeznees Ok, so here's the final 2=U47's, the Neumann U47#38 and JK's MKU47 Hope this was fun for you guys, i tried to keep it a little suspenseful and torture JK a bit 8) I'll post the answers next post though it should be pretty clear.https%3A//soundcloud.com/tonycamp/neumannu47jkmku47https%3A//soundcloud.com/tonycamp/neumannu47jkmku47-2I assume mine is the second one, right?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 20:02:13 GMT -6
I am obviously not the slightest fan of BeesNeez capsules. Just talking about the clips, everything else left aside... I find it quite a bit disappointing. In the 47 shootout the difference is not so striking as in the C12s, but it's there, and to my ears the mics with the beesneez capsules can not really compete with those that have Tim's of Siegfried's capsules installed. Sorry to say that, but they are not particularly cheap at all and i would have expected a smaller difference or more a "different taste, same quality" discussion. But it's not. To me they simply sound less desirable. And that's already the nicest way i can say it...hrmpf.
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 1, 2015 20:12:48 GMT -6
on the last post, kickeddog 1st post is my "kickeddog", 2nd is the beeznees Ok, so here's the final 2=U47's, the Neumann U47#38 and JK's MKU47 Hope this was fun for you guys, i tried to keep it a little suspenseful and torture JK a bit 8) I'll post the answers next post though it should be pretty clear.https%3A//soundcloud.com/tonycamp/neumannu47jkmku47https%3A//soundcloud.com/tonycamp/neumannu47jkmku47-2I assume mine is the second one, right? yours is definitely one of them! lol
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 1, 2015 20:17:03 GMT -6
boy Jk you got a great sounding 47 coming your way,
Tony that Mike is the same as mine other than the tubes and those rca certainly have something extra, more authority, more mid but like enhanced body , that nice top end that Shane has always talked about, a little more oomph
again thank you both so much for all this effort: much appreciated !
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Post by wiz on Mar 1, 2015 20:19:16 GMT -6
If yours is the second one Johnkenn you better have a big wet kiss ready for Tony.. that would be amazing.. that is a killer sounding mic at any price... err.. .let me rephrase.. its shit.. don't even bother getting it.. I will buy you out so you don't lose any money 8) cheers Wiz
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 1, 2015 20:24:18 GMT -6
from Matt at dizengoff re:factory burn in for d4
"Yes , those are new tubes. Zero burn in time. I haven't tried any NOS tubes but I'm sure it would improve sound."
I have some nos tubes from Christian in my la610 if they are the same I will switch them up and post some clips.
kcat
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Post by dizengoff on Mar 1, 2015 20:25:14 GMT -6
the mic was 20+" or so off the guitar, so proximity was kept to minimum(though not completely eliminated), the U67 clone sounded very good to me, this 87 is pretty special for sure, i'm thinking that C1/C-12 mic would sound ridiculously good through the Dizengoff D-4 driving it? I was really impressed with our quick use of that thing, it's not even technically broken in...? Unless dizengoff does it at their shop?(my bet is they do burn them in there, unburned tubes is a crap shoot for a gear manufacturer I would think..) Thank you. I run each unit for 24 hours before shipping. I run THD+N, Freq response, and SNR tests before they leave. They have to meet my published spec of -90dB of self noise. Obviously at $599 NOS EF86's are out of the question so I'm using modern production tubes. I tried JJ's, EH's, and Winged C, and settled on the Winged C--I couldn't really distinguish between those and the EH's. So I'm sure if you subbed NOS EF86's you'd hear further improvement. Matt
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 20:26:40 GMT -6
As of the last U-files, wow. They both have very nice sonical quality to them. I have to hear this really on my monitors later. I could not say which is which without more details maybe it really is just the noisefloor which could tell which is the clone, cause we know it has less of it.... This also says something. I found the sonic differences in the previous posts much more obvious. Tells something about Max's kit plus the recommendation of a Thiersch blue. Meets the general sonics. Considering Robert's mic is sounding good for a vintage U47 (ok, you had ground noise...), it's obvious, that this clone does, too. It could be a vintage U47. You wouldn't hear that, i am pretty sure. OK, there will be people who say: I can distinguish this, these clones sound inferior, no matter if they have a Thiersch and a very good aftermarket transformer. But really? I doubt they can. If it's done right, the clone might outperform most of the vintages, because it's brand new and generally might have less problems. This is my short conclusion of what i hear here...
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Post by dizengoff on Mar 1, 2015 20:29:26 GMT -6
from Matt at dizengoff re:factory burn in for d4 "Yes , those are new tubes. Zero burn in time. I haven't tried any NOS tubes but I'm sure it would improve sound." I have some nos tubes from Christian in my la610 if they are the same I will switch them up and post some clips. kcat They aren't the same. EF86 and ECC88 have different pinouts (and the EF86 is pentode, not triode). LA610 uses 12AX7 and 12AY7/12AT7.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 1, 2015 20:35:56 GMT -6
thx Matt, no need to open it up but a call into to our trusty valve guru Christian at proaudiotubes.com, sounds in order !! do you know what they originally used: mullards ? thx, Matt
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 1, 2015 20:39:30 GMT -6
the noise floor on JK's mic is very low, listen to the gap between voice/guitar, then check the beginning of the vintage neumann track, you'll hear the noise pretty good there, i'm hoping to get some info on what may cause that noise so I can help winetree get his amazing mic back up to spec. It sounds beauty as is, but it will sound unreal if we can lose the noise.
the 1st sample is the Neumann U47(it was so late we forgot to do the voice over sample 8), the second is JK's mic.
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Post by RicFoxx on Mar 1, 2015 20:40:36 GMT -6
"Down came the water" Down came the rain..." that is some classic sh!t right there!
On the first one (U47/clones) Beesneez was the 2nd file and i believe the last post was easier as the first file was noisy and the last file quiet, velvety, beefy but clear and smooth.
With that being said...if Im right with my assessment, The JK Mk-U47 is #1 Followed by The MK-47 with bessneez
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Post by RicFoxx on Mar 1, 2015 20:48:28 GMT -6
I must have been writing while Tony was writing...anyway my answer is "suspect" now...hahaha. One way or another JK's mic is killer. Might have to try some of those tubes out. Im sending my mic off to @sinsay this week and may order some of those RCA's from C. Whitmore and Im on the the wait list for that D4.
Anyone want to but my API The Channel Strips from me???
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