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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 1, 2014 13:53:45 GMT -6
Want to leave one of your KM84's with me?
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Apr 1, 2014 21:37:03 GMT -6
Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 1, 2014 21:37:03 GMT -6
Would love to hear that dandeurloo. Since i loved the KM84, if the JM184 is close enough, I might look into getting one.
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Post by sll on Apr 3, 2014 11:35:47 GMT -6
My pair of Lulu's came in the mail yesterday. I'm booked with a bunch of live sound gigs this week, so I'm not sure if I'll get to test them before next week, unfortunately. I left one of my KM84's with Scott. I think he may try and do a little comparison between them. Maybe he will post here about it when he gets time to do it. I did a quick test with all my SDCs Gefell M300, Beezneez Lulu, vintage AKG 452, and a modded Oktava mc-012 following Scott Dorsey's mod instructions. The test was not super scientific, I used the same preamp, cable, stand, etc, only changing out the mic in the stand. I also did not gain match the files as I wanted to compare output levels of each mic. They were all surprisingly close with the 452 a few dB lower. I need to find a way to post the files so people can listen to them. My conclusion from that test, I liked the Lulu a lot compared to the others. My Gefell M300s are great. They really do well at a distance of a few feet or more. Closer distances reveal more presence peak than I care for. 452s are, well 452s, great if you want hyped top end. The Lulu filled in some holes were the others seemed to have missing. That is, there's more midrange info from the Lulu compared to the Gefell or AKG. Those two almost sound scooped in the midrange when compared with the Lulu. Then I borrowed Dan's km84. I knew that would be a mistake, but I'm not going to find a pair in decent shape for a decent price, so here I am. The km84 just has that magical midrange and smooth top. Compared with the Lulu, the km84 sounds a little darker, and a little less low end. The Lulu comes really close in the midrange, but there is a slight presence peak and extended low end compared to the km84. The km84 can handle top end EQ so well due to it's flatter response. You can crank in some 10K shelving or the like and it never gets abrasive. Not so for all the others. All in all, I'm very happy with the sound of the Lulu. It does lead me to think that no one will ever duplicate the km84 to a T. Oh, BTW Dan, you're never getting your km84 back... |
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Post by ben on Apr 3, 2014 12:16:21 GMT -6
Those LULU mics looks suspiciously like OEM chinese mics rebranded. Similar to the MXL603.. Go compare the bodies of them.. Bens mics are anything but rebranded Chinese mics. The body of the lulu is Chinese, but it ends there. While I have not heard them, I have seen the guts and I own two Beesneez mics. His capsules are awesome. I also own 4 beyer mc930s. I love them. Best price I got was from Full Compass. Highly underrated mics and stand up to the best. I replaced my Joly modded oktavamod mc012s with them and there is no comparison (by the way, the Joly mod for the mc012 is totally worth the money... Beyers are in another league and of course more Money). |
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Apr 3, 2014 12:18:13 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Apr 3, 2014 12:18:13 GMT -6
I left one of my KM84's with Scott. I think he may try and do a little comparison between them. Maybe he will post here about it when he gets time to do it. I did a quick test with all my SDCs Gefell M300, Beezneez Lulu, vintage AKG 452, and a modded Oktava mc-012 following Scott Dorsey's mod instructions. The test was not super scientific, I used the same preamp, cable, stand, etc, only changing out the mic in the stand. I also did not gain match the files as I wanted to compare output levels of each mic. They were all surprisingly close with the 452 a few dB lower. I need to find a way to post the files so people can listen to them. My conclusion from that test, I liked the Lulu a lot compared to the others. My Gefell M300s are great. They really do well at a distance of a few feet or more. Closer distances reveal more presence peak than I care for. 452s are, well 452s, great if you want hyped top end. The Lulu filled in some holes were the others seemed to have missing. That is, there's more midrange info from the Lulu compared to the Gefell or AKG. Those two almost sound scooped in the midrange when compared with the Lulu. Then I borrowed Dan's km84. I knew that would be a mistake, but I'm not going to find a pair in decent shape for a decent price, so here I am. The km84 just has that magical midrange and smooth top. Compared with the Lulu, the km84 sounds a little darker, and a little less low end. The Lulu comes really close in the midrange, but there is a slight presence peak and extended low end compared to the km84. The km84 can handle top end EQ so well due to it's flatter response. You can crank in some 10K shelving or the like and it never gets abrasive. Not so for all the others. All in all, I'm very happy with the sound of the Lulu. It does lead me to think that no one will ever duplicate the km84 to a T. Oh, BTW Dan, you're never getting your km84 back... Scott, thanx for doing this! did you get the DIY lulu's? how was the build and delivery time?(the build q's a joke asking you i know, but for us mere mortals 8) Do you think it's worth the $, or should i save up for the coveted 84's? thanx T |
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Apr 3, 2014 12:22:03 GMT -6
Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 3, 2014 12:22:03 GMT -6
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Post by sll on Apr 3, 2014 12:38:41 GMT -6
I did a quick test with all my SDCs Gefell M300, Beezneez Lulu, vintage AKG 452, and a modded Oktava mc-012 following Scott Dorsey's mod instructions. The test was not super scientific, I used the same preamp, cable, stand, etc, only changing out the mic in the stand. I also did not gain match the files as I wanted to compare output levels of each mic. They were all surprisingly close with the 452 a few dB lower. I need to find a way to post the files so people can listen to them. My conclusion from that test, I liked the Lulu a lot compared to the others. My Gefell M300s are great. They really do well at a distance of a few feet or more. Closer distances reveal more presence peak than I care for. 452s are, well 452s, great if you want hyped top end. The Lulu filled in some holes were the others seemed to have missing. That is, there's more midrange info from the Lulu compared to the Gefell or AKG. Those two almost sound scooped in the midrange when compared with the Lulu. Then I borrowed Dan's km84. I knew that would be a mistake, but I'm not going to find a pair in decent shape for a decent price, so here I am. The km84 just has that magical midrange and smooth top. Compared with the Lulu, the km84 sounds a little darker, and a little less low end. The Lulu comes really close in the midrange, but there is a slight presence peak and extended low end compared to the km84. The km84 can handle top end EQ so well due to it's flatter response. You can crank in some 10K shelving or the like and it never gets abrasive. Not so for all the others. All in all, I'm very happy with the sound of the Lulu. It does lead me to think that no one will ever duplicate the km84 to a T. Oh, BTW Dan, you're never getting your km84 back... Scott, thanx for doing this! did you get the DIY lulu's? how was the build and delivery time?(the build q's a joke asking you i know, but for us mere mortals 8) Do you think it's worth the $, or should i save up for the coveted 84's? thanx T Tony, I actually didn't build these. One of the few things I haven't in my studio. The 2 for 1 price was too good to pass up. Dan and I have both built mic with Beezneez capsules and they sound amazing. Ben's authentic M7 is killer. Dan has used both Theirsch redline and blue line M7's in u47 style builds. I used Ben's M7. All are great sounding, but Ben's M7 is slightly darker, which I like. Dan has also used Ben's 67 style caps and they sound amazing. I would say the Lulu's are very useable. They hint at the km84, but will not satisfy that itch if you covet a real one. I've gotten some really great acoustic sounds out of the Lulu's and have not been disappointed. I'll probably always lust after a real km84 however. |
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Apr 3, 2014 12:40:01 GMT -6
Post by sll on Apr 3, 2014 12:40:01 GMT -6
Those LULU mics looks suspiciously like OEM chinese mics rebranded. Similar to the MXL603.. Go compare the bodies of them.. Bens mics are anything but rebranded Chinese mics. The body of the lulu is Chinese, but it ends there. While I have not heard them, I have seen the guts and I own two Beesneez mics. His capsules are awesome. I also own 4 beyer mc930s. I love them. Best price I got was from Full Compass. Highly underrated mics and stand up to the best. I replaced my Joly modded oktavamod mc012s with them and there is no comparison (by the way, the Joly mod for the mc012 is totally worth the money... Beyers are in another league and of course more Money). That is correct, the bodies are OEM. The rest, including the capsule is all Beezneez. I verified before I bought because I too was suspicious. |
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Apr 3, 2014 12:40:05 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on Apr 3, 2014 12:40:05 GMT -6
holy moly, the lulu DIY kit pair was 1/2 that price last time i checked...
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Apr 3, 2014 12:42:16 GMT -6
Post by svart on Apr 3, 2014 12:42:16 GMT -6
Those LULU mics looks suspiciously like OEM chinese mics rebranded. Similar to the MXL603.. Go compare the bodies of them.. Bens mics are anything but rebranded Chinese mics. The body of the lulu is Chinese, but it ends there. While I have not heard them, I have seen the guts and I own two Beesneez mics. His capsules are awesome. I also own 4 beyer mc930s. I love them. Best price I got was from Full Compass. Highly underrated mics and stand up to the best. I replaced my Joly modded oktavamod mc012s with them and there is no comparison (by the way, the Joly mod for the mc012 is totally worth the money... Beyers are in another league and of course more Money). Where'd you see the guts? got a pic? That would tell us. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 3, 2014 12:48:38 GMT -6
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Apr 3, 2014 12:50:15 GMT -6
ben likes this
Post by tonycamphd on Apr 3, 2014 12:50:15 GMT -6
Bens mics are anything but rebranded Chinese mics. The body of the lulu is Chinese, but it ends there. While I have not heard them, I have seen the guts and I own two Beesneez mics. His capsules are awesome. I also own 4 beyer mc930s. I love them. Best price I got was from Full Compass. Highly underrated mics and stand up to the best. I replaced my Joly modded oktavamod mc012s with them and there is no comparison (by the way, the Joly mod for the mc012 is totally worth the money... Beyers are in another league and of course more Money). Where'd you see the guts? got a pic? That would tell us. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 3, 2014 12:55:12 GMT -6
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Apr 3, 2014 13:09:15 GMT -6
Post by svart on Apr 3, 2014 13:09:15 GMT -6
That's cool. Looks like they do indeed change the circuit. Looks like they reuse the PCB possibly and just stuff different parts? I see a lot of DNS footprints on those PCBs where parts used to be. |
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Apr 14, 2014 10:33:53 GMT -6
Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 14, 2014 10:33:53 GMT -6
I used the Lulu's on overheads yesterday. We popped up a pair of KM184's, recorded a little drum clip, switched in the Lulu's and recorded another clip for a quick comparison. The lulu's seemed to have a bit more bottom than the 184's. I don't have the tracks to mix yet, but I'll get a bit more of a feel for them once them get delivered.
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Apr 14, 2014 14:24:12 GMT -6
Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 14, 2014 14:24:12 GMT -6
Would love to hear that jcoutu.
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May 22, 2014 21:14:21 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on May 22, 2014 21:14:21 GMT -6
So - what was the consensus?
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May 22, 2014 21:37:42 GMT -6
Post by svart on May 22, 2014 21:37:42 GMT -6
So - what was the consensus? It's that I really should have stuck with using my LDC overheads on this last recording session I did. I thought it would be fun and enlightening to do something I don't do very much. Now the only thing I'm having a hard time with is getting those overheads to sound full enough. |
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May 22, 2014 22:10:17 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on May 22, 2014 22:10:17 GMT -6
So - what was the consensus? It's that I really should have stuck with using my LDC overheads on this last recording session I did. I thought it would be fun and enlightening to do something I don't do very much. Now the only thing I'm having a hard time with is getting those overheads to sound full enough. this is exactly why it's either ribbons or ldc's as OH's for me, i have sm81's and AT4033's that don't see much use at all, besides OH's, a lot of guys like either of these on acoustic, but my C12 clone eats them both for lunch, one for desert 8) Maybe, just maybe if i had a packed to the gills mix, and had to have an all attack/no tone acoustic added to the tune, i might use one of these? |
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May 23, 2014 9:50:31 GMT -6
Post by svart on May 23, 2014 9:50:31 GMT -6
It's that I really should have stuck with using my LDC overheads on this last recording session I did. I thought it would be fun and enlightening to do something I don't do very much. Now the only thing I'm having a hard time with is getting those overheads to sound full enough. this is exactly why it's either ribbons or ldc's as OH's for me, i have sm81's and AT4033's that don't see much use at all, besides OH's, a lot of guys like either of these on acoustic, but my C12 clone eats them both for lunch, one for desert 8) Maybe, just maybe if i had a packed to the gills mix, and had to have an all attack/no tone acoustic added to the tune, i might use one of these? I usually use my Gefell M930's for overheads. I've yet to use anything that matches them as overheads. Push up the faders and it's there. |
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 16:40:50 GMT -6
I too think the LuLu's are great. Considered dumping all my BN mics during my rough patch but since have had some good service and am 85% happy (enough). Ben does make good sounding mics.
These days, I am a double track on a single pencil guy but a long while back did some 12th/OtS and MS. I presently have a hankering to do a quiet song with a single LDC.
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May 23, 2014 17:10:25 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on May 23, 2014 17:10:25 GMT -6
But how about acoustics - not OHs
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May 23, 2014 18:22:47 GMT -6
Post by tonycamphd on May 23, 2014 18:22:47 GMT -6
But how about acoustics - not OHs my preference is LDC's for acoustics, if its a dense mix that needs some pick/strumming to really pop, SDC's it is. There is something languid about a LDC, the SDC mics are quick and pointy to my ears, even the good ones in comparison to a counterpart of equal quality. That quick sharpness is something digital recording doesn't tolerate near as well as analog tape used to IMO. |
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May 24, 2014 22:45:55 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on May 24, 2014 22:45:55 GMT -6
I'm really thinking about just grabbing a KM84...
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May 24, 2014 23:09:16 GMT -6
Post by wiz on May 24, 2014 23:09:16 GMT -6
I'm really thinking about just grabbing a KM84... Its a mic that changed my life. cheers Wiz |
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