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Mar 6, 2014 19:22:51 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Mar 6, 2014 19:22:51 GMT -6
I just dropped my Miktek C5 over at Shannon's today. I asked for a KM84 back...
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Mar 6, 2014 19:24:43 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 6, 2014 19:24:43 GMT -6
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Mar 6, 2014 20:42:24 GMT -6
Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 6, 2014 20:42:24 GMT -6
I bought their U87 clone. I've used U87's for decades on a daily basis. I sold them quite a while back. What's unusual, is that when I tried to describe the Gauge's sound to a friend, I realized I was describing the real U87. What's important to me is that even if in a direct shoot-out the original was superior, they got something right, and the mic doesn't feel like a compromise, it just feels honestly useable. After buying the U87, I became a "sponsor", which gives me a little discount, like 10 or 15%. This a great way for some of us to build an all around excellent sounding, huge mic locker, and then you can cherry pick your special mics as you go along. I believe they have a 30 day return policy, but don't quote me. I'll be getting the 84's in a month or two. May have to give those a try MJB. Just sold some gear so I've got a bit of change to play with. |
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Post by drbill on Mar 6, 2014 22:27:24 GMT -6
I lean towards the older SDC's. None of the new ones meet my needs.
Your best bang for the buck - Have Joly mod your Oktava's. They will be much more useable, and will also be ready for his K47H LDC screw on head which is KILLER!!!!! and sounds very U67-ish to me.
Best all around, can't go wrong SDC - KM84. Buy now or buy later. Everyone should have one or two or three sooner or later. Everyone.
Best classic sound on a budget - Gefell MV692/M70. Classic sound. Neumanesque, but a tad brighter than a KM84
Live in Nashville or wish you did? Get a AKGC451E or EB.
Sorry, aside from the Oktava mod's, these are all vintage. Sigh...... Wish someone made a good new SDC that was as nice as a KM84, but they don't. The modded Oktava's get pretty dam close sometimes.....
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Mar 6, 2014 22:33:07 GMT -6
Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 6, 2014 22:33:07 GMT -6
It would be fun if you did cowboy. I'd guess they're a little lighter on the low end than the K84, but the slightest pinch of EQ might be all they need to be useful. I think there's 30 day return policy, so you really can't go wrong.
Just got my Blackspade U17 back today from Shannon at Mic Rehab, I guess it should properly be called the U17RB now, B standing for the Blueline Thiersch M7. It's really something, Shannon did a beautiful job, going the extra mile to make a new adaptor for the mount. I still have the worst chest cold, so it might be a day or two until I can really see how I like it. My first impression is whoa, now it's pro. There's still a little sibilance though, so I've got to work on dialing it in a little before passing any judgements.
I'm still thinking on getting the Gauges too, but if my friend let's me babysit for his K84's, I may not need to, I'm playing that favor slow and easy, if you know what I mean ;-)
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Post by WKG on Mar 6, 2014 22:51:38 GMT -6
I've got a pair of the Beyer MC930's here. Very nice, acoustic stuff, drum OH's etc. Nice detail and I was surprised at the low end reach when I put them up on OH duty. Very happy overall but I'd still like to get the Miktek C5's in for a spin.
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Mar 6, 2014 23:11:43 GMT -6
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Post by tasteliketape on Mar 6, 2014 23:11:43 GMT -6
Had both the Gauge mic gave them away thought the LDC was very thin an bright an the SDC just remember not liken it at all makes me wonder if mine were faultey
Anybody else used these ? I ask because i respect mjb opinion.
an i can get them back lol
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Mar 6, 2014 23:36:36 GMT -6
Post by dandeurloo on Mar 6, 2014 23:36:36 GMT -6
I agree with Dr Bill. I have km84's and love them. In a large SDC comparison I did, I really liked the joly modded sdc's and the gefell m300's. I have since used all three a number if times and have liked them all. If budget is a concern the joly sdc's are really hard to beat. I'm actually tempted to buy a pair for sticking them in places I don't want to stick my 84's, like snare.
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Mar 7, 2014 5:41:40 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 7, 2014 5:41:40 GMT -6
I lean towards the older SDC's. None of the new ones meet my needs. Your best bang for the buck - Have Joly mod your Oktava's. They will be much more useable, and will also be ready for his K47H LDC screw on head which is KILLER!!!!! and sounds very U67-ish to me. Best all around, can't go wrong SDC - KM84. Buy now or buy later. Everyone should have one or two or three sooner or later. Everyone. Best classic sound on a budget - Gefell MV692/M70. Classic sound. Neumanesque, but a tad brighter than a KM84 Live in Nashville or wish you did? Get a AKGC451E or EB. Sorry, aside from the Oktava mod's, these are all vintage. Sigh...... Wish someone made a good new SDC that was as nice as a KM84, but they don't. The modded Oktava's get pretty dam close sometimes..... Hey Doc, I came across your Oktava/KM84 fine with the 14 cuts yesterday. Sounded good to me. I was hoping Greg (UBK) was going to take a stab at it as he said he would, but he disappeared. Anyway, getting the Oktava's modded is on the list, but I'm looking to add another pair. Oh yeah, already have a 451 available too when I want that top. |
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Mar 7, 2014 7:45:41 GMT -6
Post by matt on Mar 7, 2014 7:45:41 GMT -6
I still have the worst chest cold, Martin, me too, the worst I have had in many years. Harsh cough, congestion, fever, the full deal. I think it has influenced my posts to RGO of late, introducing a rambling tone that I usually don't exhibit. Well, mostly. I'm not stoned, JK! I listened to the SDC shootout at recordinghacks.com, and consistently chose the Mojave and the Lauten. But my tin ears also picked the Avantone as third-best, so there it is. I think I need to develop my critical listening skills a bit more. |
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Mar 7, 2014 8:18:34 GMT -6
Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 7, 2014 8:18:34 GMT -6
I still have the worst chest cold, Martin, me too, the worst I have had in many years. Harsh cough, congestion, fever, the full deal. I think it has influenced my posts to RGO of late, introducing a rambling tone that I usually don't exhibit. Well, mostly. I'm not stoned, JK! I listened to the SDC shootout at recordinghacks.com, and consistently chose the Mojave and the Lauten. But my tin ears also picked the Avantone as third-best, so there it is. I think I need to develop my critical listening skills a bit more. On both drums and guitar I thought that the Torch sounded overly bright and thin. I thought that the Mojave sounded just the opposite...too full in the bottom. I thought the Telefunken had the best balance bottom to top and didn't sound hyped. I actually thought that the Avantone sounded good too. It seemed hyped, but not crispy and it was still full. Seemed to sound the most "alive" of all the mics IMO. I think it's a pretty good value...at least from these samples. Here is another SDC shootout that I came across in my hunting. soundcloud.com/lee-cardan/sets/eastern-bloc-studios-sdc-mic/Here I liked the C12, Beyers, and the KM74 best. |
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Mar 7, 2014 9:19:38 GMT -6
Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 7, 2014 9:19:38 GMT -6
tasteliketape, you may be right about the Gauge's being thin. My friend is a serious engineer and he uses them all the time. He said he EQ's them a little. After using an original K84 last week, it's hard to go back to anything less. I tried the Little Blondies around a year ago, and they were too thin too. If you get the SDC right, they can help acoustic guitars sit beautifully in tracks with lots of instruments. If you don't get it right, it always bugs you that the tone is too thin. Frustrating, I know. I guess the Gauge's having a return policy might make it worth a try. I'm going to try and borrow my friends Gauge's soon, and see for myself.
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Mar 7, 2014 9:44:18 GMT -6
Post by drbill on Mar 7, 2014 9:44:18 GMT -6
The other thing often overlooked on the 84 is it's "reach". An amazing mic in that respect.
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Mar 7, 2014 9:49:06 GMT -6
Post by drbill on Mar 7, 2014 9:49:06 GMT -6
I lean towards the older SDC's. None of the new ones meet my needs. Your best bang for the buck - Have Joly mod your Oktava's. They will be much more useable, and will also be ready for his K47H LDC screw on head which is KILLER!!!!! and sounds very U67-ish to me. Best all around, can't go wrong SDC - KM84. Buy now or buy later. Everyone should have one or two or three sooner or later. Everyone. Best classic sound on a budget - Gefell MV692/M70. Classic sound. Neumanesque, but a tad brighter than a KM84 Live in Nashville or wish you did? Get a AKGC451E or EB. Sorry, aside from the Oktava mod's, these are all vintage. Sigh...... Wish someone made a good new SDC that was as nice as a KM84, but they don't. The modded Oktava's get pretty dam close sometimes..... Hey Doc, I came across your Oktava/KM84 fine with the 14 cuts yesterday. Sounded good to me. I was hoping Greg (UBK) was going to take a stab at it as he said he would, but he disappeared. Anyway, getting the Oktava's modded is on the list, but I'm looking to add another pair. Oh yeah, already have a 451 available too when I want that top. The only guys (2) that were even close in telling the mics apart were ones that were using software to look for mismatched zero crossing points. IMO, in that test, on that day, with that guitar, they were virtually indistinguishable for all practical purposes. But tests and listening to clips online are only so good. They only give you a two dimensional look at a 3 or 4 dimensional picture. The 84's are standard for good reason. Personally, I think the cloners have gotten closer to the U47 than they have to the 84. For me though, if you haven't had Joly mod your Oktava's, that would be my first choice, then followed by 84's if possible, and if not, the Gefell 692/M70 combo which is a wonderful "mix n match" mic set that will put you into a whole nuther class of microphones. (UM70, M71, etc.) |
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 7, 2014 9:58:37 GMT -6
The other thing often overlooked on the 84 is it's "reach". An amazing mic in that respect. This is true with all Highend mic vs Chinese mics. This doesn't make sense unless you have used the good ones to hear what you are missing. |
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Mar 7, 2014 10:21:54 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Mar 7, 2014 10:21:54 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Mar 7, 2014 10:27:56 GMT -6
I've used Earthworks. Extremely clear and articulate. BTW I'm selling my pair.. |
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Mar 7, 2014 10:28:05 GMT -6
Post by dandeurloo on Mar 7, 2014 10:28:05 GMT -6
DPA mics are usually really nice!
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Post by grummy on Mar 7, 2014 10:48:57 GMT -6
I'm happy with my Jolly Modded Oktavas (I've got 3).
I don't know why but studio guys never seem to have the Sennheiser MKH stuff on their radar. Only one other guy on here mentioned them. They are one of the standards for location sound for many reasons. One of which is that they sound great. Another is that they spec out very well. They are often quieter and more sensitive than other companies LDC. They are very serious mics. You ought to give a listen and compare the MKH40 & or MKH8040 to some of the other top end SDC mentioned above. You might be pleasantly surprised. Also check out the MKH50 & 8050 if you are interested in a super cardioid pattern. And the MKH30 is one of if not the only true fig 8 pattern SDC out there. I'm fairly content with my jolly modded mk012s but if I were to upgrade ever the MKH80xx stuff is the first place I'd be looking. I'd check out the other usual suspects too though, like Shoeps. I've already got an 8060 shotgun (that I love) so I've already got one MZX8000 module for that modular series. I'd love to add a couple 8050s & 8040s to the collocation. These Sennheisers are also build like tiny tanks. High end stuff for sure.
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Mar 7, 2014 10:51:27 GMT -6
Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 7, 2014 10:51:27 GMT -6
One thing I forgot to add about the mc930s is that they are really high output so, depending on the source that can be problematic although I have used them a bunch of times on overheads with very little mic pre gain and pads engaged Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I can actually see this being an advantage in some situations. Guitarist that I'm currently working with has a super light touch and the high gain might be helpful here. |
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Mar 7, 2014 10:57:41 GMT -6
Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 7, 2014 10:57:41 GMT -6
I've used Earthworks. Extremely clear and articulate. BTW I'm selling my pair.. I've also used some Earthworks stuff...TC30's. I agree that they are clear and articulate. I have not used them on acoustic guitar though, only as room mics. |
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Post by grummy on Mar 7, 2014 10:58:23 GMT -6
Just realized that the budget you mentioned was for a pair and not each. If you want to buy new the Sennheisers will be well above the cap you set. But if you can find MKH40s used, consider it. They are built to last.
But you can't go wrong with Jolly Modded mk012s or mc012s. Very useful. Quite a bit noisier than the Sennheiser MKH stuff but most (if not all) other SDC are.
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Mar 7, 2014 11:00:19 GMT -6
Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 7, 2014 11:00:19 GMT -6
Just realized that the budget you mentioned was for a pair and not each. If you want to buy new the Sennheisers will be well above the cap you set. But if you can find MKH40s used, consider it. They are built to last. But you can't go wrong with Jolly Modded mk012s or mc012s. Very useful. Quite a bit noisier than the Sennheiser MKH stuff but most (if not all) other SDC are. Used is no issue here. Most likely buying used, which limits my ability to "try before you buy". I end up being a revolving door of gear though. Always have stuff coming and going. |
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Post by matt on Mar 7, 2014 18:29:14 GMT -6
Finding a good mic or stereo pair to record acoustic 6 and 12 string is my current top priority. I am unhappy with my latest tracking results, and am even looking at another 6 string to augment/replace my Taylor 614ce. The guitar suddenly sounds acoustically dead to my ears. It's strange, I've always found its tone acceptable in the past. I think I'll name this condition "JK Syndrome" since this affliction will surely lead to endless amounts of gear acquisition and swapping.
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Post by awtac on Mar 7, 2014 20:40:06 GMT -6
the most overlooked mic out there is the neumann 100 series. the 140 is a cardioid, the 150 hyper. amazing amazing mics, I use mine over an 84 pretty much %100 of the time. These were top line professional mics when neumann had them in production, designed to compete directly with schoeps and the sennheiser mkh series. All three sound very different and all three have their pluses and minuses, the neumann being the most colored of the bunch. If you cant make a good recording with one of these three mics, you arent going to make a good recording with something else. People often overlook the 100's so you can sometimes find them priced very low. The 184's were released as the budget version to the 100 line. Josephson mics are also top notch.
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