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Mar 8, 2014 16:19:03 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 8, 2014 16:19:03 GMT -6
Welp. Worked out a trade for a pair of BeesNeez Lulu's. Supposedly sound like km84's, but we'll see. Hopefully I can find a local cat with one to shoot out with.
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Mar 9, 2014 9:25:39 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2014 9:25:39 GMT -6
Finding a good mic or stereo pair to record acoustic 6 and 12 string is my current top priority. I am unhappy with my latest tracking results, and am even looking at another 6 string to augment/replace my Taylor 614ce. The guitar suddenly sounds acoustically dead to my ears. It's strange, I've always found its tone acceptable in the past. I think I'll name this condition "JK Syndrome" since this affliction will surely lead to endless amounts of gear acquisition and swapping. I think that's the "Taylor Syndrome"...  (Not a fan) A Taylor in maple? Isn't that like staring at the sun with all the lights on? |
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Post by matt on Mar 9, 2014 11:00:23 GMT -6
Finding a good mic or stereo pair to record acoustic 6 and 12 string is my current top priority. I am unhappy with my latest tracking results, and am even looking at another 6 string to augment/replace my Taylor 614ce. The guitar suddenly sounds acoustically dead to my ears. It's strange, I've always found its tone acceptable in the past. I think I'll name this condition "JK Syndrome" since this affliction will surely lead to endless amounts of gear acquisition and swapping. I think that's the "Taylor Syndrome"... (Not a fan) A Taylor in maple? Isn't that like staring at the sun with all the lights on? Hah, yes, it's a Maple. With fresh strings, very bright indeed. But that is not what I'm hearing these days. It is a heavy thing and does not seem to be all that resonant. I bought my vocalist a $200 Yamaha FG700S for Christmas and it smokes the Taylor - it sounds richer, fatter, and is more responsive. It weighs maybe 60% as much as the Taylor and is shockingly good for the money. Maybe the weight has something to do with it, I am not sure. Given the cost of the 614ce, I am not happy. It may still be useful plugged in for gigs, but I'm not doing that these days. So I'm off on a tour of Phoenix-area stores today looking for a lightweight, resonant 6-string to record with. |
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Mar 9, 2014 11:26:35 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2014 11:26:35 GMT -6
I had a Larrivee once that I played the hell out of as an every day writing guitar. I think it just died. It just seemed to sound dead after a couple of years - which is really weird. You would think playing them would make them sound better.
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Mar 9, 2014 12:04:45 GMT -6
Post by dandeurloo on Mar 9, 2014 12:04:45 GMT -6
Where do you live? Do they need humidified? I'm not making an excuse for the guitars but I have noticed here in mn the humidity of the guitars can really changes the tone. A friend of mine has a Taylor I record a lot. That thing is very hit and miss. It's really strange. I think we have figured out that he has to keep it moist for it to sound ok. But overall yes, Taylor's are not my favorite acoustic guitars. Those Lieber's guitars I recorded have ruined me. I can't wait to get the 000 from Scott. It's gonna be epic!
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Mar 9, 2014 12:05:39 GMT -6
Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2014 12:05:39 GMT -6
Yeah - post pics...Does sll have any pics? |
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Mar 9, 2014 12:06:50 GMT -6
Post by matt on Mar 9, 2014 12:06:50 GMT -6
I had a Larrivee once that I played the hell out of as an every day writing guitar. I think it just died. It just seemed to sound dead after a couple of years - which is really weird. You would think playing them would make them sound better. Yes, usage should make them sound better, sort of like how violins etc are thought of - playing does "something" to the wood, finish, and general structure of the instrument. Hence the concept of being broken-in and "aged". But not so with my Taylor, and your Larrivee, it appears. It's possible that I have tuned my ear somewhat better so that I hear things I haven't heard previously, but it's not just me hearing the difference. With the cheap Yamaha sounding so much like the superior instrument to everyone who hears them side-by-each, well, it's just stunning. And a little depressing. |
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Mar 9, 2014 12:26:24 GMT -6
Post by matt on Mar 9, 2014 12:26:24 GMT -6
Where do you live? Do they need humidified? I'm not making an excuse for the guitars but I have noticed here in mn the humidity of the guitars can really changes the tone. A friend of mine has a Taylor I record a lot. That thing is very hit and miss. It's really strange. I think we have figured out that he has to keep it moist for it to sound ok. But overall yes, Taylor's are not my favorite acoustic guitars. Those Lieber's guitars I recorded have ruined me. I can't wait to get the 000 from Scott. It's gonna be epic! Dan, I live in Glendale, Arizona, a suburb of Phoenix. It is nearly always bone-dry here, so humidity could certainly be a contributing factor, as in lack of it. However, my last session was recorded as a front was rolling through (that recent big California storm) and it was raining very hard. We even had the patio door open to watch since rain is so damn rare in these parts, heh. So the humidity went from probably 10-20% to 100% over a couple of days, and now is back down to the "normal" 10-20%. Takes with the Taylor recorded during this period sound "uninteresting" (it's hard to describe, but the tonality is not lively, and not dead string-ish) and the tracks need to be re-done. Thanks, I'll look into humidifying. Since I have never done anything special in this area, my acoustic instruments must be very dry nearly all of the time. |
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Mar 9, 2014 12:43:09 GMT -6
Post by popmann on Mar 9, 2014 12:43:09 GMT -6
Keep up the Taylor hate. I should probably buy another cheaply as a backup...
That said...any guitar that sounded good and then didn't, you changed something. Humidity is most likely--that is NOT a subtlety. A dried out acoustic sounds brittle and bright and shitty. Other perspective might be recording set up changing. Put that thing in a case with damp sponges (with strings at tuned tension) until it can't drink no more.
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Mar 9, 2014 12:46:36 GMT -6
Post by dandeurloo on Mar 9, 2014 12:46:36 GMT -6
Well, I know Taylor's are braced well ( probably over braced ) for playing live and touring. Older Martin guitars, and others sound more open because they aren't so tightly braced. These style guitars need constant humidity. Really a problem in states like MN. The humidity is all over here.
The problem for you may have been all the extra humidity your guitar took in changing the tone and setup a little. Hard to say. Does it sound better again now? In general keep them wet!
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Mar 9, 2014 13:17:46 GMT -6
Post by matt on Mar 9, 2014 13:17:46 GMT -6
Well, I know Taylor's are braced well ( probably over braced ) for playing live and touring. Older Martin guitars, and others sound more open because they aren't so tightly braced. These style guitars need constant humidity. Really a problem in states like MN. The humidity is all over here. The problem for you may have been all the extra humidity your guitar took in changing the tone and setup a little. Hard to say. Does it sound better again now? In general keep them wet! I'm gonna humidify and try again on Tuesday or Wednesday. I might try a few different string sets as well. I'm not giving up on it, yet. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 9, 2014 13:26:42 GMT -6
Well, I know Taylor's are braced well ( probably over braced ) for playing live and touring. Older Martin guitars, and others sound more open because they aren't so tightly braced. These style guitars need constant humidity. Really a problem in states like MN. The humidity is all over here. The problem for you may have been all the extra humidity your guitar took in changing the tone and setup a little. Hard to say. Does it sound better again now? In general keep them wet! I'm gonna humidify and try again on Tuesday or Wednesday. I might try a few different string sets as well. I'm not giving up on it, yet. What kind of SDC's are you going to use on it? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 9, 2014 14:24:34 GMT -6
Annnnnd back on topic. Nice segue.
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Anyone got experience with the Lauten torches?
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Mar 10, 2014 10:28:22 GMT -6
Post by dandeurloo on Mar 10, 2014 10:28:22 GMT -6
I have to say, I was using my 87's for acoustics. This thread has inspired me to bust out the km84's again and use them. Dang they sound so good. I really love both 87's and 84's on acoustic instruments.
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Mar 10, 2014 17:33:44 GMT -6
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Post by littlesicily on Mar 10, 2014 17:33:44 GMT -6
I agree with Dr Bill. I have km84's and love them. In a large SDC comparison I did, I really liked the joly modded sdc's and the gefell m300's. I have since used all three a number if times and have liked them all. If budget is a concern the joly sdc's are really hard to beat. I'm actually tempted to buy a pair for sticking them in places I don't want to stick my 84's, like snare. I had 3 km84s at one point and they sounded so different from one another. I mean, like different model mics! |
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Mar 10, 2014 17:36:11 GMT -6
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Post by littlesicily on Mar 10, 2014 17:36:11 GMT -6
I have to say, I was using my 87's for acoustics. This thread has inspired me to bust out the km84's again and use them. Dang they sound so good. I really love both 87's and 84's on acoustic instruments. I love an 87 on acgtr. My current favorites, in no particular order: Km54 U67 Sm57 |
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Mar 10, 2014 17:36:46 GMT -6
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Post by littlesicily on Mar 10, 2014 17:36:46 GMT -6
I'm also a fan of 1 mic on ac.
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Post by dandeurloo on Mar 10, 2014 20:58:31 GMT -6
KM54 would be my favorite if I owned one! 67 is great as well, and so is a 57. I just used all of those but the 54's on recent acoustics. I do like them all.
Tell me, when do you reach for the 57 over the others. I have been trying to decide that for myself and would love others input.
The other dynamic mic that rules is a AKG D19 / D119.
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Post by WKG on Mar 10, 2014 21:57:29 GMT -6
I usually default to the mc930 but the C4 is gaining some traction, especially for mid/side. SM81 just always works. For a dynamic I usually grab the MD441.
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Mar 10, 2014 22:02:58 GMT -6
Post by WKG on Mar 10, 2014 22:02:58 GMT -6
Has anybody used the Avenson STO-2 on acoustic?
I very nearly grabbed a pair last year but just couldn't get past the 28db self noise.
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Post by drbill on Mar 10, 2014 22:52:54 GMT -6
I have to say, I was using my 87's for acoustics. This thread has inspired me to bust out the km84's again and use them. Dang they sound so good. I really love both 87's and 84's on acoustic instruments. Dan, go for BOTH!! Try an 84 on the 12th fret or so, then put an 87 up and over the R shoulder of the Guitarist from behind, peeking down at the soundhole. Pan L/R. Magic. |
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Mar 11, 2014 16:26:33 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2014 16:26:33 GMT -6
I have to say, I was using my 87's for acoustics. This thread has inspired me to bust out the km84's again and use them. Dang they sound so good. I really love both 87's and 84's on acoustic instruments. Dan, go for BOTH!! Try an 84 on the 12th fret or so, then put an 87 up and over the R shoulder of the Guitarist from behind, peeking down at the soundhole. Pan L/R. Magic. How do you deal with phase in that scenario? Just make sure they're kind of equal distance - 3:1? |
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Mar 11, 2014 16:29:20 GMT -6
Post by littlesicily on Mar 11, 2014 16:29:20 GMT -6
KM54 would be my favorite if I owned one! 67 is great as well, and so is a 57. I just used all of those but the 54's on recent acoustics. I do like them all. Tell me, when do you reach for the 57 over the others. I have been trying to decide that for myself and would love others input. The other dynamic mic that rules is a AKG D19 / D119. For more raw sounding indie or rock, or vintage country the 57 (or 545) can be money. Gets rid of the pristine high end and has great meat. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2014 16:34:07 GMT -6
I have no idea how the Mic Mod C5 is gonna turn out, but I'll have a standard cap and Shannon's cap when it's done. It'll be nice to be able to compare.
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(Not a fan) A Taylor in maple? Isn't that like staring at the sun with all the lights on?
