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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 2, 2015 16:33:39 GMT -6
Yeah...keeping this one! Thanks again for the build - you did a fantastic job. I would encourage those of you looking to contact Tony or Cat5 for the build...Their rates are reasonable and absolutely worth the money!
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Apr 2, 2015 16:40:58 GMT -6
Yep. Cat 5 built mine and it is stellar. Couldn't be more pleased.
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Post by watchtower on Apr 2, 2015 20:43:49 GMT -6
Just to clarify, as far as I know, Neumann never made a polyester M7. So, the Thiersch red is not really a "remake" of anything Neumann did. The Thiersch red is an M7 (glued) with non-PVC.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 2, 2015 21:14:50 GMT -6
from thiersch site:
" The screwed capsule types K67,K87, K87ai and K47 as well as AKG C12 will be stringed by PET film.
old diaphragm new diaphragm "
I had always assumed caps with screws were not glued, do I have that wrong ?
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Post by watchtower on Apr 2, 2015 22:16:51 GMT -6
I believe that is correct. I'm confused why you're confused, though haha. All of those capsules you listed use screws. The M7 isn't in that list
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Post by Shannon on Apr 3, 2015 3:00:40 GMT -6
Dam you guys never send a brother a invite to parties any more LOL… Ok i was working … First off Happy Egg day to all!
Most of today's (production) no matter the geographical Location the amount of glued rings that contains Mylar is a much higher than non glued. In fact I have even seen a few superglued ( not lying, didn't say they passed a kick ass sound but worked). ELMERs glue, etc lol…. i know There is one large
CHI-REEZ capsule supplier that DOES NOT use glue and has screws. I refer to the capsules that contain hole for attachment as " GLUE RINGS" the adhesives has changed a long with the materials. You could imagine PVC would be easier to glue than Mylar…. WELL Even on a good day a M7 update to Mylar from OG PVC can make a grown man do dark deep shit as well ask questions like who in the hell was thinking that mylar would be easy to glue onto a wartime PC of Brass/Bronze/ sshh (wink wink )/ etc 1" circle with the width smaller what seems like the PVC sideways of 12 Microns wide and be like WTF.
Back in the day Stephen P. my bro used to make small brass glue rings ( aka hence the name we used ) without the holes for the screws then adhere it to the pain in the ass area with out panties in a bunch lmfao
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 3, 2015 8:42:21 GMT -6
Glad all I gotta do is send you a mic Shannon, that $hit sounds nasty, but cool.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 3, 2015 12:07:54 GMT -6
I've noticed occasionally that it seems like the cap will sound like it "collapses" when you're really belting into it. Just like the plosive overwhelms it. If I'm remembering correctly, I think it sounds similar to one I was listening to that Shannon said "oh, it has condensation on it" or something like that...Does that make any sense?
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 3, 2015 12:21:30 GMT -6
I've noticed occasionally that it seems like the cap will sound like it "collapses" when you're really belting into it. Just like the plosive overwhelms it. If I'm remembering correctly, I think it sounds similar to one I was listening to that Shannon said "oh, it has condensation on it" or something like that...Does that make any sense? well, any LDC should collapse momentarily if its hit hard enough with a plosive, my suggestion is to hang it upside down, and sing into the horizontal rail on the top(in this case bottom) of the head basket, i've seen a ton of pics of guys/gals singing into these mics in that position, it's not a coincidence.     |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 3, 2015 12:53:07 GMT -6
yeah - got it that way...with a wind screen. Maybe raise it up a little.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2015 13:36:16 GMT -6
is the thinking upside down is better as the tube heat rises to the bell not towards the cap ?
just grabbed some nos ericsson tubes.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 3, 2015 14:52:37 GMT -6
I always thought the only advantage the upside down mic had was heat dissipation.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 16:47:44 GMT -6
Hm. I always think the real advantage of hanging the mic upside down is less danger to throw the mic to the floor by accident....
The heat dissipation warming up the capsule, especially in the U47 with it's built-in 3W heater, does make harder condensation of oath on the membrane, which in my opinion is desireable. Our mic specialists here may know better....
Tuning of the capsule membrane may change slightly while the capsule heats up. Don't know if this has something to do with the idea of hanging mics upside down.
Maybe one of you talented mic cracks can shed a little light on this topic of upside-down vs. conventional mic position?
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2015 16:47:51 GMT -6
they posted some pics a while back of the original to see if the brace spine in the head basket does break the direct airflow to the cap and it does by running about 2/3rds up with the standard spacing.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 3, 2015 18:00:21 GMT -6
Hm. I always think the real advantage of hanging the mic upside down is less danger to throw the mic to the floor by accident.... The heat dissipation warming up the capsule, especially in the U47 with it's built-in 3W heater, does make harder condensation of oath on the membrane, which in my opinion is desireable. Our mic specialists here may know better.... Tuning of the capsule membrane may change slightly while the capsule heats up. Don't know if this has something to do with the idea of hanging mics upside down. Maybe one of you talented mic cracks can shed a little light on this topic of upside-down vs. conventional mic position? "talented mic crack" I am not, but i do have a theory on this derived from my personal experience as a contractor, I believe that PVC is susceptible to heat, if you look at a piece of white sprinkler pipe, if it sits in the sun for an extended period of time, it becomes brittle and can crack or even shatter. I figure when turning the mic on with the capsule sitting atop, the electronics convection is causing the membrane to heat up and expand, then shutting the mic off cools it back down, causing the membrane to contract, the repeated action of turning the mic on and off would almost certainly take a toll on it's longevity, not to mention possibly cause fluctuations in the capsule performance due to a tighter/looser membrane. It seems completely logical that the more consistent the capsule stays temperature wise, the longer it will last, and the more consistent it will perform. Turning the mic upside down goes a long way toward accomplishing this, and pretty much eliminates the rising heat from slow cooking the capsule. Thats it, i have nothing else 8) |
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 3, 2015 18:18:13 GMT -6
done like dinner !
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 3, 2015 20:06:07 GMT -6
I always just assumed it was so a drunk Sinatra didn't knock the stand over...
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Post by watchtower on Apr 3, 2015 20:41:17 GMT -6
How's he going to read the score sheet if the mic and stand are right in front of his line of vision
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Apr 4, 2015 13:49:05 GMT -6
I've noticed occasionally that it seems like the cap will sound like it "collapses" when you're really belting into it. Just like the plosive overwhelms it. If I'm remembering correctly, I think it sounds similar to one I was listening to that Shannon said "oh, it has condensation on it" or something like that...Does that make any sense? Mine does that too. I think it was in a text I mentioned to you to try turning the cap on a 45 and sing "beside" the mic. This is why. Mariah Carey couldn't belt loud enough to overload a mic in this configuration. It changes the eq a bit but sometimes that's just what we want. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 5, 2015 18:18:59 GMT -6
Here's that demo I was talking about...not finished, but you can obviously hear the vocal.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/lastgoodbyeruff
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 5, 2015 19:07:13 GMT -6
That's bad ass John.The vocal sound is flawless.
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Post by tonycamphd on Apr 5, 2015 20:57:11 GMT -6
I dig that tune! the mic really sounds good, but the S's sound not so good on that clip to me.
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Post by category5 on Apr 5, 2015 21:24:39 GMT -6
Here's that demo I was talking about...not finished, but you can obviously hear the vocal. https%3A//soundcloud.com/johnandkris/lastgoodbyeruffWhat processing did you do? Sounds really nice John. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 5, 2015 21:29:22 GMT -6
That was the MK-U47-->Helios minus a little 2khz-->Sta-Level-->Burl. Then UAD 1176 E 8:1, and Pro-Q minus some low mid spots and low end cut at about 100hz. Then UAD Lex 224 and Fabfilter Timeless on some weird delay.
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Post by winetree on Apr 5, 2015 21:41:46 GMT -6
I dig that tune! the mic really sounds good, but the S's sound not so good on that clip to me. +1 Good tune but not the esses and the high end on the vocal. |
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