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Post by ben on Mar 31, 2015 4:33:20 GMT -6
well there is an argument for a red and a blue ! Don't forget the K47! To me, the original U47 in the winecamp demo sounded more like a k47 than an M7. Which cap was it, do we know? |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 31, 2015 6:23:50 GMT -6
true but I thought people were just jokingly talking about max's production picture ?  |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 31, 2015 11:13:33 GMT -6
well there is an argument for a red and a blue ! Don't forget the K47! To me, the original U47 in the winecamp demo sounded more like a k47 than an M7. Which cap was it, do we know? Original U47 had a M7 Ben |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 31, 2015 11:15:53 GMT -6
Man, I REALLY want one, but I REALLY can't justify yet another tube LDC JKs MKU47 killed my MK for what ever reason? Unless ur totally in love, I'd sell all ur 47 type ldc's and get that thing before they're gone! |
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Post by watchtower on Mar 31, 2015 11:21:49 GMT -6
Man, I REALLY want one, but I REALLY can't justify yet another tube LDC JKs MKU47 killed my MK for what ever reason? Unless ur totally in love, I'd sell all ur 47 type ldc's and get that thing before they're gone! I haven't really been following this thread, to be honest. What's the difference between JK's MKU47 and yours? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 31, 2015 11:50:03 GMT -6
JKs MKU47 killed my MK for what ever reason? Unless ur totally in love, I'd sell all ur 47 type ldc's and get that thing before they're gone! I haven't really been following this thread, to be honest. What's the difference between JK's MKU47 and yours? well, i've given this a LOT of thought, my mk is very good, it's got the smooth transient thing going on now with the RCA golds in there, but i'm thinking it comes down to one major diff, the transformer!?!? (I put the "?" because my findings are still in progress), the MK is a 2 chamber, the MKU is a 4 chamber. What is definite is JK's MKU47 is a nicer sounding mic than mine IMO, and believe me when i say.. I DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE THE CASE 8), it's just ready to be put in a mix as is almost. There is a compression, density and focus that are present, that are NOT there in my MK47, i'm guessing the diff is 85% transformer, and 15% mic body(don't even think the body/headbasket don't matter, because a whole lot of experimenting/listening/testing have proven to me that they DEFINITELY do). |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 31, 2015 12:09:51 GMT -6
Dang Tony, that's kind of a bummer. I was hoping for you that it was just as good, if maybe a little different.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 31, 2015 12:11:18 GMT -6
and my mike sounds better, just because Tony blessed it ! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 31, 2015 12:38:49 GMT -6
Dang Tony, that's kind of a bummer. I was hoping for you that it was just as good, if maybe a little different. Well, i wish everyone the "bummer" that is my MK47  It's a great mic! but at this level it's a game of inches i think, and there is no doubt that JK's mic has a finish on it that is better than about any mic i've heard (i see all the peeps rolling there eyes lol), let alone a U47. Of course this is all subjective to a degree, and only MO based on my moderate experience. Sinsay thinks JK's mic is a bad boy, i'd be curious to hear what John Mcbride, Jeff Steiger and others think of it with their great experience and/or dumbo ears after hearing it in person. There were quite a few guys on the shootout thread who I trust implicitly that though it sounded special enough to go get the RCA golds... so? But I can't give the credit solely to those tubes after my recent experience. The Max 4 chamber transformer seems a serious badass! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 31, 2015 12:46:42 GMT -6
I agree, it is a game of inches! My mic is a wonderful mic, the Thiersch capsule is first class, Oliver Archut's transformer is a proven entity, yet for me, the vibe I wish for isn't quite there, but it's close. Next time I visit Nashville, I'll ask Sinsay if he thinks that a tube replacement might get me the last couple of inches I'd like.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 31, 2015 12:57:04 GMT -6
I agree, it is a game of inches! My mic is a wonderful mic, the Thiersch capsule is first class, Oliver Archut's transformer is a proven entity, yet for me, the vibe I wish for isn't quite there, but it's close. Next time I visit Nashville, I'll ask Sinsay if he thinks that a tube replacement might get me the last couple of inches I'd like. Have you considered that it might be your preamp that's lacking rather than the mic? Maybe they're just not a good pairing for what you're looking for. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 31, 2015 13:00:16 GMT -6
You know something jcoutou, you make a great point, and I've been thinking the very same thing lately. As I gain experience with these components, I'm learning what I like. Every time I hear a Neve pre, like the Heritage 1073, it sounds right to me, even the UAD plug sounds right! I may have been unfair to my mic, and I do plan to try some new preamps before changing anything. I like the Dizengoff pre, and a friend has a Great River pre I could probably borrow for a day or two.
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Post by kidvybes on Mar 31, 2015 13:15:13 GMT -6
...and a friend has a Great River pre I could probably borrow for a day or two. ...do it!...try different settings (more input gain + less output gain = mojo!) and try the loading and impedance switches...the GR is a more modern/cleaner take on the 1073, but my MK-47 thru my restored/original Neve 1290 has got some serious weight...but either way, loads of transformer-goodness! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 31, 2015 13:15:32 GMT -6
i have to say that the U87 in the shootout went from great to friggin awesome with the D-4 IMO, that said, a tube mic into a tube pre could prove too much depending? myself and winetree were talking about that last night in fact. An fet seems a good pairing with a tube pre, probably a C12 as well(which i'm bummed we ran out of time to try in the D4), MJB, get a VP28, they are extremely versatile at a top quality level imo.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 31, 2015 13:56:23 GMT -6
Definitely will begin looking around soon Tony, thanks for the tip.
For all the searching we've all done at times for the Holy Grail mic, the MKU-47 seems as close as we'll come. That said, I remember when I had a U87. It was made in 1980, I used it everyday for 10 years, and y'now, I never gave the microphone a second thought. It was just so right every time, I wouldn't have understood why anyone would even bother with a different mic at that time.
Of course as I've evolved I know that the heavy hitters like a C12 , U47, Elam 251 have all the U87 had and a little more, but I think if someone laid a U87 join me right now, I wouldn't bother researching any other mics for at least a year, I'd just concentrate on using it !
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Post by category5 on Mar 31, 2015 14:16:21 GMT -6
I haven't really been following this thread, to be honest. What's the difference between JK's MKU47 and yours? well, i've given this a LOT of thought, my mk is very good, it's got the smooth transient thing going on now with the RCA golds in there, but i'm thinking it comes down to one major diff, the transformer!?!? (I put the "?" because my findings are still in progress), the MK is a 2 chamber, the MKU is a 4 chamber. What is definite is JK's MKU47 is a nicer sounding than mic than mine IMO, and believe me when i say.. I DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE THE CASE 8), it's just ready to be put in a mix as is almost. There is a compression, density and focus that are present, that are NOT there in my MK47, i'm guessing the diff is 85% transformer, and 15% mic body(don't even think the body/headbasket don't matter, because a whole lot of experimenting/listening/testing have proven to me that they DEFINITELY do). Don't forget the MKU has the two large green PIO caps. The MK uses one polyester and a different make of PIO. Also, the relay for pattern switching (which may or may not make an audible difference). The headbasket is a BIG part of it no doubt, as is the output transformer. |
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Post by tonycamphd on Mar 31, 2015 14:29:11 GMT -6
Definitely will begin looking around soon Tony, thanks for the tip. For all the searching we've all done at times for the Holy Grail mic, the MKU-47 seems as close as we'll come. That said, I remember when I had a U87. It was made in 1980, I used it everyday for 10 years, and y'now, I never gave the microphone a second thought. It was just so right every time, I wouldn't have understood why anyone would even bother with a different mic at that time. Of course as I've evolved I know that the heavy hitters like a C12 , U47, Elam 251 have all the U87 had and a little more, but I think if someone laid a U87 join me right now, I wouldn't bother researching any other mics for at least a year, I'd just concentrate on using it ! U87 sounds perfect for his voice, your voice is similar in a lot of ways, why don't you just get a U87 and be done with it? |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 31, 2015 14:42:28 GMT -6
I've given thought to The U67 TLM anniversary model, because I can put a tube in it later if I want to. A friend has one, next time I'll ask to try it. Also, my voice is a lot different since 1985, so I have to try things out.
My mic is almost indistinguishable from the M49, so I will audition a few new preamps before doing anything. I'll get there, just need a little more time to sort it out.
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Post by watchtower on Mar 31, 2015 15:04:11 GMT -6
Dang Tony, that's kind of a bummer. I was hoping for you that it was just as good, if maybe a little different. Well, i wish everyone the "bummer" that is my MK47 It's a great mic! but at this level it's a game of inches i think, and there is no doubt that JK's mic has a finish on it that is better than about any mic i've heard (i see all the peeps rolling there eyes lol), let alone a U47. Of course this is all subjective to a degree, and only MO based on my moderate experience. Sinsay thinks JK's mic is a bad boy, i'd be curious to hear what John Mcbride, Jeff Steiger and others think of it with their great experience and/or dumbo ears after hearing it in person. There were quite a few guys on the shootout thread who I trust implicitly that though it sounded special enough to go get the RCA golds... so? But I can't give the credit solely to those tubes after my recent experience. The Max 4 chamber transformer seems a serious badass! Well, I guess I missed the shootout thread, too! Lol. Got a link? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2015 15:11:12 GMT -6
It's the top end that impresses me...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 31, 2015 21:51:03 GMT -6
I'd love to hear an opinion of John's mic from John McBride's, that would be really interesting. Any chance you could swing that John?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 31, 2015 21:56:57 GMT -6
Probably not...I don't know him personally...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 1, 2015 7:49:14 GMT -6
I know it's a stretch, but maybe you could send a short note about RealGear,that mic aficionados are all over the MKU47 build, and we'd love the chance to see how it compares to the real thing in tip top shape.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 1, 2015 10:26:42 GMT -6
Shannon's always got 3 or 4 of blackbird's U47's (for repair) at his place. Maybe we can shoot a few out.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 1, 2015 10:28:31 GMT -6
he he.. that might work ..
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It's a great mic! but at this level it's a game of inches i think, and there is no doubt that JK's mic has a finish on it that is better than about any mic i've heard(i see all the peeps rolling there eyes lol), let alone a U47. Of course this is all subjective to a degree, and only MO based on my moderate experience. Sinsay thinks JK's mic is a bad boy, i'd be curious to hear what John Mcbride, Jeff Steiger and others think of it with their great experience and/or dumbo ears after hearing it in person.
