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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 14:05:24 GMT -6
I’m shaking this shit up. After my incredible fail with Carbon, I’ve decided to continue making my life miserable. Just sold my Burl…chill, chill…I can always buy another one. But I think iIm gonna roll with the Apollo DA for a little while. I listened for a little while to it again…it’s mid forward, but not terrible at all. I’ve actually never run it through the Trinnov. So gonna try that. It would be killer if I could live with that conversion…then I could put this money in something else.
But - I might try another Hilo, Symphony (holy shit they’ve gone up maybe not)…I’d love to give the Aurora a shot, but maybe I should do less interface and more converter…I saw a used HEDD 192 for sale. Never used one but heard great things…what’s the deal with all the versions, which should I be avoiding and how do I know which is which?
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Post by andersmv on Mar 11, 2024 14:18:37 GMT -6
I've been "living" with the Apollos since they came out. The new X series was the most notable upgrade, I'm not complaining....
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 11, 2024 14:28:37 GMT -6
I’m shaking this shit up. After my incredible fail with Carbon, I’ve decided to continue making my life miserable. Just sold my Burl…chill, chill…I can always buy another one. But I think iIm gonna roll with the Apollo DA for a little while. I listened for a little while to it again…it’s mid forward, but not terrible at all. I’ve actually never run it through the Trinnov. So gonna try that. It would be killer if I could live with that conversion…then I could put this money in something else. But - I might try another Hilo, Symphony (holy shit they’ve gone up maybe not)…I’d love to give the Aurora a shot, but maybe I should do less interface and more converter…I saw a used HEDD 192 for sale. Never used one but heard great things…what’s the deal with all the versions, which should I be avoiding and how do I know which is which? Well, each to their own. I used my MOTU 1248 as an output monitoring station for the Apollo cause I just couldn't.. Personally if I was in that situation I'd ditch the entire lot and get the latest 828 motu.com/en-us/products/828/.
Even if you decide to flip it supports practically everything, has absolutely stellar A/D and sound, tons of I/O and if everyone who keeps barking on about Cubase is right mix the two and you're golden for good. Although you never know the MAC driver they've made might play ball with Pro Tools..
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 14:34:36 GMT -6
I’m shaking this shit up. After my incredible fail with Carbon, I’ve decided to continue making my life miserable. Just sold my Burl…chill, chill…I can always buy another one. But I think iIm gonna roll with the Apollo DA for a little while. I listened for a little while to it again…it’s mid forward, but not terrible at all. I’ve actually never run it through the Trinnov. So gonna try that. It would be killer if I could live with that conversion…then I could put this money in something else. But - I might try another Hilo, Symphony (holy shit they’ve gone up maybe not)…I’d love to give the Aurora a shot, but maybe I should do less interface and more converter…I saw a used HEDD 192 for sale. Never used one but heard great things…what’s the deal with all the versions, which should I be avoiding and how do I know which is which? Well, each to their own. I used my MOTU 1248 as an output monitoring station for the Apollo cause I just couldn't.. Personally if I was in that situation I'd ditch the entire lot and get the latest 828 motu.com/en-us/products/828/. Even if you decide to flip it supports practically everything, has absolutely stellar A/D and sound, tons of I/O and if everyone who keeps barking on about Cubase is right mix the two and you're golden for good. Although you never know the MAC driver they've made might play ball with Pro Tools..
See, I thought the Carbon was a little congested in the middle range. But the stereo/center image was great. I would imagine it would have been great dialed in with the trinnov to my room. But alas. Star crossed lovers. I had an 828es. I think this is the successor? Thought it sounded really good…but that routing matrix. My goodness. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 14:36:33 GMT -6
I've been "living" with the Apollos since they came out. The new X series was the most notable upgrade, I'm not complaining.... Wasn’t trying to offend. Honestly, a lot of my disdain with the the Apollo was from the silver and blackfaces. This one is definitely a level up. Shadowk you were using an X? |
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Post by svart on Mar 11, 2024 14:41:16 GMT -6
Apollos have too much of that mid range pinch. Every time I hear that tone I just can't unhear it.
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 11, 2024 14:59:33 GMT -6
I've been "living" with the Apollos since they came out. The new X series was the most notable upgrade, I'm not complaining.... Wasn’t trying to offend. Honestly, a lot of my disdain with the the Apollo was from the silver and blackfaces. This one is definitely a level up. Shadowk you were using an X? I bought an X6 cause you bought an X Apollo  .. Just didn't like it and I'm not that fussy. What got me the most is on a chorus it collapsed into mush, I can deal with mid forward to an extent but out of all the interfaces I've had nah. Weirdly I had no issues with the AD, I even liked the 610 plug on the Apollo insert more than my own 6176.
I had the 828 MK2, reason being the purple site transparency test. It was okay I guess, later MOTU stuff is much better, 1248 is awesome but I guess a bit more like Burl as it tends to round stuff off and sound a bit more pleasent than completely flat hi-fi interfaces like the Carbon. For general listening I probably prefer the MOTU TBH but when recording it has its benefits. I might get an MOTU for my DAC TBH, it makes me happy lol..
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 11, 2024 15:08:52 GMT -6
On a side note I wish we could do room exchanges, it really would fill in the gaps or make you realise what you do or do not have and the opinions behind some of this stuff.. Also as a basis from different rooms it makes you question exactly what you know.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 15:22:39 GMT -6
Apollos have too much of that mid range pinch. Every time I hear that tone I just can't unhear it. I mean...it's definitely there. |
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 11, 2024 15:43:44 GMT -6
I’m shaking this shit up. After my incredible fail with Carbon, I’ve decided to continue making my life miserable. Just sold my Burl…chill, chill…I can always buy another one. But I think iIm gonna roll with the Apollo DA for a little while. I listened for a little while to it again…it’s mid forward, but not terrible at all. I’ve actually never run it through the Trinnov. So gonna try that. It would be killer if I could live with that conversion…then I could put this money in something else. But - I might try another Hilo, Symphony (holy shit they’ve gone up maybe not)…I’d love to give the Aurora a shot, but maybe I should do less interface and more converter…I saw a used HEDD 192 for sale. Never used one but heard great things…what’s the deal with all the versions, which should I be avoiding and how do I know which is which? My rig is based around a HEDD 192 and an Avocet for monitoring, a TC Clarity meter and an RME AES card all connected via a Z-Systems AES patchbay. The HEDD 192 is the best ADA I have ever used and heard bare none. Even though I have a heap of expensive outboard boutique tube gear I still use a touch of HEDD FX on mixdown - they have a unique sound. I can highly recommend the HEDD 192, I use mine for tracking, mixing and mastering. Dave Hill was a true genius imho. |
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Mar 11, 2024 15:46:41 GMT -6
Well, each to their own. I used my MOTU 1248 as an output monitoring station for the Apollo cause I just couldn't.. Personally if I was in that situation I'd ditch the entire lot and get the latest 828 motu.com/en-us/products/828/. Even if you decide to flip it supports practically everything, has absolutely stellar A/D and sound, tons of I/O and if everyone who keeps barking on about Cubase is right mix the two and you're golden for good. Although you never know the MAC driver they've made might play ball with Pro Tools..
See, I thought the Carbon was a little congested in the middle range. But the stereo/center image was great. I would imagine it would have been great dialed in with the trinnov to my room. But alas. Star crossed lovers. I had an 828es. I think this is the successor? Thought it sounded really good…but that routing matrix. My goodness. The new 828 is USB only and doesn't use the same driver. Its not browser based and no routing matrix. (Not an endorsement i haven't used one.) |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 15:47:03 GMT -6
I’m shaking this shit up. After my incredible fail with Carbon, I’ve decided to continue making my life miserable. Just sold my Burl…chill, chill…I can always buy another one. But I think iIm gonna roll with the Apollo DA for a little while. I listened for a little while to it again…it’s mid forward, but not terrible at all. I’ve actually never run it through the Trinnov. So gonna try that. It would be killer if I could live with that conversion…then I could put this money in something else. But - I might try another Hilo, Symphony (holy shit they’ve gone up maybe not)…I’d love to give the Aurora a shot, but maybe I should do less interface and more converter…I saw a used HEDD 192 for sale. Never used one but heard great things…what’s the deal with all the versions, which should I be avoiding and how do I know which is which? My rig is based around a HEDD 192 and an Avocet for monitoring, a TC Clarity meter and an RME AES card all connected via a Z-Systems AES patchbay. The HEDD 192 is the best ADA I have ever used and heard bare none. Even though I have a heap of expensive outboard boutique tube gear I still use a touch of HEDD FX on mixdown - they have a unique sound. Dave Hill was a true genius imho. This the same one? reverb.com/item/78838995-crane-song-hedd-192-2-channel-ad-da-converter-with-digital-processing-2010s-silverEDIT: Oh - there's now a HEDD Quantum |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 15:47:27 GMT -6
See, I thought the Carbon was a little congested in the middle range. But the stereo/center image was great. I would imagine it would have been great dialed in with the trinnov to my room. But alas. Star crossed lovers. I had an 828es. I think this is the successor? Thought it sounded really good…but that routing matrix. My goodness. The new 828 is USB only and doesn't use the same driver. Its not browser based and no routing matrix. (Not an endorsement i haven't used one.) That price is sure sexy as hell |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 15:47:51 GMT -6
I gotta get this thing up and running by Friday for a vocal session...
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 11, 2024 15:49:32 GMT -6
Looks the same as mine. Mine doesn't do 192 khz - it was a retro fit I never bothered with - mine goes to 96. I've had mine for about 15 years! I bought mine for new £2000 and can sell it for more than that now - not bad for a digital device 15 years old! |
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 11, 2024 15:56:45 GMT -6
I gotta get this thing up and running by Friday for a vocal session... I'm not saying you can't bang out something absolutely stellar with nothing but an Apollo, this is a Pro Audio forum where we nit pick to hell and back. We talk about the final 10 - 20% but when a lot of the competition is at the 30 - 40% mark then it's sorta irrelevant. It just shows to me that, you and rest care so much about our craft we're willing to go deep down in the depths to always keep improving and in my book that's nothing short of awesome. That's how better music is made yeeahh..
So, urr crack on with whatever. It's not like you're lacking talent or anything..
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 16:07:55 GMT -6
I gotta get this thing up and running by Friday for a vocal session... I'm not saying you can't bang out something absolutely stellar with nothing but an Apollo, this is a Pro Audio forum where we nit pick to hell and back. We talk about the final 10 - 20% but when a lot of the competition is at the 30 - 40% mark then it's sorta irrelevant. It just shows to me that, you and rest care so much about our craft we're willing to go deep down in the depths to always keep improving and in my book that's nothing short of awesome. That's how better music is made yeeahh.. So, urr crack on with whatever. It's not like you're lacking talent or anything..
Yeah - I could definitely use the AD on the Apollo - been doing that for a while. But I think I might have a line on a Hilo...and there's also the Hedd 192 on reverb that's here in town. Anyone feel strongly one way or the other? I actually really like the idea of getting ADDA instead of the separate ADDA. |
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Post by drsax on Mar 11, 2024 16:39:14 GMT -6
Just posted this same reply to your other thread…. I haven’t tried the HEDD, but love the Hilo. So much so that I just bought a second Hilo. It’s so musical but still retains the accuracy of the highs and lows. Not harsh, very natural - and the lows stay tight an big on this thing more than any converter I’ve tried.
P.S. they are going for great prices used right now. Just got one for $1600
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Post by Shadowk on Mar 11, 2024 16:54:02 GMT -6
I'm not saying you can't bang out something absolutely stellar with nothing but an Apollo, this is a Pro Audio forum where we nit pick to hell and back. We talk about the final 10 - 20% but when a lot of the competition is at the 30 - 40% mark then it's sorta irrelevant. It just shows to me that, you and rest care so much about our craft we're willing to go deep down in the depths to always keep improving and in my book that's nothing short of awesome. That's how better music is made yeeahh.. So, urr crack on with whatever. It's not like you're lacking talent or anything..
Yeah - I could definitely use the AD on the Apollo - been doing that for a while. But I think I might have a line on a Hilo...and there's also the Hedd 192 on reverb that's here in town. Anyone feel strongly one way or the other? I actually really like the idea of getting ADDA instead of the separate ADDA. Hilo mate, screw the spec's. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 16:55:55 GMT -6
Just posted this same reply to your other thread…. I haven’t tried the HEDD, but love the Hilo. So much so that I just bought a second Hilo. It’s so musical but still retains the accuracy of the highs and lows. Not harsh, very natural - and the lows stay tight an big on this thing more than any converter I’ve tried. P.S. they are going for great prices used right now. Just got one for $1600 WHOA...ok thanks.. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 16:59:26 GMT -6
Looks like it's all Silver units which were the first units I think. I'm sure they're totally fine, but even if I snagged the one at $1625, tax and shipping would bring me to around $1800...I think I can get this one locally to maybe come down to 1900...
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Post by Dan on Mar 11, 2024 17:07:07 GMT -6
The Apollo and MOTU chat got me into the site. Funny I’d take the Apollo Inputs and the MOTU Outputs. Apollo output is middy and super flattering to guitar and vocal layers. You will undermix and bury them unless they’re loud! But it’s not lofi and has some detail. I don’t like the pres but they’re better than garbage like Scarlets and Behringer. Anything that goes through a MOTU input is warmed over. Doubly so if you use the pres. It loses detail. I don’t like the pres. They really lose detail and get warmer. The outputs are normal tonally but lack fine detail but have some detail. My Apogee Symphony Desktop kills both of them and the pres are much better unless you crank them up. They can’t really take that last 10 db of gain they have while a Grace or Millenia sounds fine pushed to the limit but get a tone thats still cleaner than color pres which are still cool or warmer on guitars until they’re not. The Dakings stay cleanish but get overdriven. The Apogee just gets noisy and sounds overdriven a bit. The Symphonies’ inputs and outputs kill the Quartet’s and the Elements’. They’re just noticeably better but the Element and Quartet wrecked RME and Presonus. Some of the RMEs have less noisy gain even in high gain mode but RME sounds like shit except for a few products like the ADI-2 Pro (it’s not great but it doesn’t totally suck) and the Micstasy (same). Tascam stuff sounds better in the real world to be honest than most RME. RME sounds like prosumer circuits where they removed everything that sounded cool and only left what sounded bad  Dan |
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Post by Dan on Mar 11, 2024 17:07:54 GMT -6
Looks like it's all Silver units which were the first units I think. I'm sure they're totally fine, but even if I snagged the one at $1625, tax and shipping would bring me to around $1800...I think I can get this one locally to maybe come down to 1900... Could always hunt for a Solaris or the new Avocet. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 11, 2024 17:17:42 GMT -6
I think I've decided to pull the trigger on a used Hilo
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Post by svart on Mar 11, 2024 20:08:47 GMT -6
John will eventually end up with the new 828es, just watch. Lol
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.. Just didn't like it and I'm not that fussy. What got me the most is on a chorus it collapsed into mush, I can deal with mid forward to an extent but out of all the interfaces I've had nah. Weirdly I had no issues with the AD, I even liked the 610 plug on the Apollo insert more than my own 6176.
