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Post by ragan on Dec 4, 2023 11:45:13 GMT -6
I get that UA has long wait times for customer service responses, and that does suck. I remember they were quite responsive in the early Apollo days, and then as the popularity exploded, it got worse. And yeah, I’ve been out of UAD land for years, and only recently got back in due to native ports and competitive prices.
The part I didn’t/don’t get is the personal stuff that you seem upset about. I kinda see Drew as doing what anyone who represents a company would do - sticking to the official positions of the company and not going beyond that.
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Post by Quint on Dec 4, 2023 11:50:20 GMT -6
I get that UA has long wait times for customer service responses, and that does suck. I remember they were quite responsive in the early Apollo days, and then as the popularity exploded, it got worse. And yeah, I’ve been out of UAD land for years, and only recently got back in due to native ports and competitive prices. The part I didn’t/don’t get is the personal stuff that you seem upset about. I kinda see Drew as doing what anyone who represents a company would do - sticking to the official positions of the company and not going beyond that. With UA, as a company, I take issue with some of UA's official stances, policies, and business practices. With Drew, I take issue with, among other things , but not limited to, his bedside manner used in conveying those official stances. Plus, his "control the narrative" style that he tries to do is off putting and, frankly, disrespectful at times. It's certainly tone deaf, at the very least. Throw in the fanboy peanut gallery over at the UAD forum, and it's kind of a gross positive feedback loop going on over there between Drew and the fanboys. So there's that too. Anyway, there's some history here. Gannon Kashiwa, his predecessor, was MUCH better at this job. I miss that guy. But he's at Avid now, so go figure.
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Post by antipodesjosh on Dec 4, 2023 11:50:37 GMT -6
I picked up a few UA plugins in the sales this past week, the essentials pack and the 1176 collection. Really enjoying them so far. Thanks Drew & team for making great tools!
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Post by Drew @ UA on Dec 4, 2023 11:52:00 GMT -6
I picked up a few UA plugins in the sales this past week, the essentials pack and the 1176 collection. Really enjoying them so far. Thanks Drew & team for making great tools! So glad you're enjoying!! And thanks for the support.
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Post by phantom on Dec 4, 2023 12:22:11 GMT -6
I get that UA has long wait times for customer service responses, and that does suck. I remember they were quite responsive in the early Apollo days, and then as the popularity exploded, it got worse. And yeah, I’ve been out of UAD land for years, and only recently got back in due to native ports and competitive prices. The part I didn’t/don’t get is the personal stuff that you seem upset about. I kinda see Drew as doing what anyone who represents a company would do - sticking to the official positions of the company and not going beyond that. With UA, as a company, I take issue with some of UA's official stances, policies, and business practices. With Drew, I take issue with, among other things , but not limited to, his bedside manner used in conveying those official stances. Plus, his "control the narrative" style that he tries to do is off putting and, frankly, disrespectful at times. It's certainly tone deaf, at the very least. Throw in the fanboy peanut gallery over at the UAD forum, and it's kind of a gross positive feedback loop going on over there between Drew and the fanboys. So there's that too. Anyway, there's some history here. Gannon Kashiwa, his predecessor, was MUCH better at this job. I miss that guy. But he's at Avid now, so go figure. Gannon is at AVID now? Since when? Wasn't he an Avid employee before going to UA? He's back again? Not trying to throw shade at Drew at all, but Gannon was GREAT!
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Post by Quint on Dec 4, 2023 12:25:51 GMT -6
With UA, as a company, I take issue with some of UA's official stances, policies, and business practices. With Drew, I take issue with, among other things , but not limited to, his bedside manner used in conveying those official stances. Plus, his "control the narrative" style that he tries to do is off putting and, frankly, disrespectful at times. It's certainly tone deaf, at the very least. Throw in the fanboy peanut gallery over at the UAD forum, and it's kind of a gross positive feedback loop going on over there between Drew and the fanboys. So there's that too. Anyway, there's some history here. Gannon Kashiwa, his predecessor, was MUCH better at this job. I miss that guy. But he's at Avid now, so go figure. Gannon is at AVID now? Since when? Wasn't he an Avid employee before going to UA? He's back again? Not trying to throw shade at Drew at all, but Gannon was GREAT! Yep, he left a while back. I'm not sure when, but it's been a couple years probably, at least. And I think he was at Avid before coming to UA. And not for nothing, but if you've noticed that Avid has softened it's stance on some of it's more unreasonable policies and business practices in the last couple years, that roughly coincides with Gannon moving over there. Who knows if it's just coincidence or something more. Maybe it's just someone over there making the right decisions on policy AND also similarly making the right decisions on who they hire. Just saying... I miss Gannon. Those were the good times at UA.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Dec 4, 2023 12:33:34 GMT -6
I love Gannon! We're great friends. I take care of him with regard to UA and he takes care of me with Avid. BTW, he has nothing to do with Avid policy in any way. In fact, he's just a contractor there, a much better arrangement for him and his family. I'll be sure to mention to him that he's missed, he'll get a kick out of that.
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Post by phantom on Dec 4, 2023 12:39:15 GMT -6
I love Gannon! We're great friends. I take care of him with regard to UA and he takes care of me with Avid. BTW, he has nothing to do with Avid policy in any way. In fact, he's just a contractor there, a much better arrangement for him and his family. I'll be sure to mention to him that he's missed, he'll get a kick out of that. Nice! Please send our best regards to Gannon. And you are cool too, Drew. Lately I've been watching some of the Office hours or something like that, and it's always a pleasure to hear you share some of your knowledge. Great stuff.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 4, 2023 12:40:33 GMT -6
This thread is a perfect read for my current situation. I really thought the next line was going to be, “because I’m in the shitter.”
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Post by Drew @ UA on Dec 4, 2023 12:42:02 GMT -6
I love Gannon! We're great friends. I take care of him with regard to UA and he takes care of me with Avid. BTW, he has nothing to do with Avid policy in any way. In fact, he's just a contractor there, a much better arrangement for him and his family. I'll be sure to mention to him that he's missed, he'll get a kick out of that. Nice! Please send our best regards to Gannon. And you are cool too, Drew. Lately I've been watching some of the Office hours or something like that, and it's always a pleasure to hear you share some of your knowledge. Great stuff. I sure will. Yeah, my job on OHs was to bring all the decades of experience I have and give tips and tricks. There are so many nuggets buried in there. My plan for 2024 is to bring many of the "greatest hits" back in the form of shorter vids for our monthly digest.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 4, 2023 12:58:48 GMT -6
Ok. Enough gearslutting. Let’s get back on track. I have to say, Drew, I have read many of your responses here and other places and felt like they were a bit “aggressive” so to speak. I chalked it up to being from a different part of the country…and hey - you’re welcome to defend yourself. As for business practices, I go into any situation knowing that it’s the company’s responsibility to make a profit…so then I’m not shocked if and when I get the short end of the stick. So, I’m not going to delete any of this so people can hear both sides.
Hey - it’s often a game of “better sell this before the new one is announced.” I hardly ever use plugs on the way in, but I like having the no/low latency monitoring and the ability to add something if I need it.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Dec 4, 2023 13:04:20 GMT -6
you’re welcome to defend yourself. There is no need nor desire to defend myself. My job is to provide info about our products and use my extensive experience to help users see why they're cool and useful. I often do that with an economy of words because I have a lot going on, and yeah, maybe it's a bit of the NorthEast "style" . Some want me to use more words, or to apologize or justify a price or policy and that's not my role.
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Post by ericn on Dec 4, 2023 14:23:43 GMT -6
you’re welcome to defend yourself. There is no need nor desire to defend myself. My job is to provide info about our products and use my extensive experience to help users see why they're cool and useful. I often do that with an economy of words because I have a lot going on, and yeah, maybe it's a bit of the NorthEast "style" . Some want me to use more words, or to apologize or justify a price or policy and that's not my role. Drew, I completely understand your situation, really there is no reason to provide us publicly or privately for that matter UA’s long term strategy. Anyone in the corporate world understands it’s fluid, so you don’t tell the competition and if you say anything people are going to take it as a promise set in stone ( oh how Apogee stepped into with the Ensemble and some of the Cards years ago). I think where the problem exists is this while you do a great job at most of what you do, in the case of this thread and in the past you haven’t done a great job at not just acknowledging some customer issues but acknowledging as the public face of UA acknowledging that these issues are being communicated to those who make the decisions. Like it or not this is an important part of being the one who is the public face. When the fact that a customer’s issues being communicated, people feel they are dealing with a big faceless corporation. Issues like the service time lag need to be acknowledged, you have to look at them through the eyes of the customer as well as the company. It may not be UA’s idea of your job discription but it is part of the public’s idea of your job. I’m sure you do bring these issues up to those in charge, you just need to acknowledge that you’re doing it every time, but what do I know I was only salesperson of the month for one the largest pro audio dealers while in a coma.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Dec 4, 2023 14:27:54 GMT -6
Thanks for the thoughtful reply ericn and for the feedback.
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Post by ericn on Dec 4, 2023 14:33:32 GMT -6
Thanks for the thoughtful reply ericn and for the feedback. Anytime.
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Post by Quint on Dec 4, 2023 15:37:28 GMT -6
There is no need nor desire to defend myself. My job is to provide info about our products and use my extensive experience to help users see why they're cool and useful. I often do that with an economy of words because I have a lot going on, and yeah, maybe it's a bit of the NorthEast "style" . Some want me to use more words, or to apologize or justify a price or policy and that's not my role. Drew, I completely understand your situation, really there is no reason to provide us publicly or privately for that matter UA’s long term strategy. Anyone in the corporate world understands it’s fluid, so you don’t tell the competition and if you say anything people are going to take it as a promise set in stone ( oh how Apogee stepped into with the Ensemble and some of the Cards years ago). I think where the problem exists is this while you do a great job at most of what you do, in the case of this thread and in the past you haven’t done a great job at not just acknowledging some customer issues but acknowledging as the public face of UA acknowledging that these issues are being communicated to those who make the decisions. Like it or not this is an important part of being the one who is the public face. When the fact that a customer’s issues being communicated, people feel they are dealing with a big faceless corporation. Issues like the service time lag need to be acknowledged, you have to look at them through the eyes of the customer as well as the company. It may not be UA’s idea of your job discription but it is part of the public’s idea of your job. I’m sure you do bring these issues up to those in charge, you just need to acknowledge that you’re doing it every time, but what do I know I was only salesperson of the month for one the largest pro audio dealers while in a coma. Spot on. When a customer asks about or complains about something like customer service wait times, or recent issues with the bundle pricing, or, or, or... It then follows that responses from the company spokesperson like "this is all going exactly according to plan" or "we're crushing it", or "everything is working fine on my end" are completely tone deaf and are bound to irritate people. If the company spokesperson can't even be bothered to acknowledge that there is a problem, much less express any empathy about the problem, what is a customer left to think other than that the company doesn't care about and won't fix the problem? I'm not replying to your post to stir this back up again. But I thought you really hit the nail on the head, and just wanted to echo some of what you were saying.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2023 16:01:47 GMT -6
A philosophical discussion about business practises, customer service models, communication protocols/styles are all welm a good, but a long way from this thread’s theme. Quint, I don’t disagree with any of your points: hell, i somd alm my ua stuff twice: po’s at UA, but I would offer a different perspective about Drew’s manner:WYRIWYG: r for read ! For a guy facing the public, but of, course, answering to the boss, I find Drew pretty straight forward: meaning its always pretty clear when he is expressing his knowledge/opinions vs corporate speak, so I cut him some slack on that, but not always. UA doesn’t code or solder in water and it could a little humbler about acknowledging where there is room for improvement. I see the last few pages as just keepin it real, but i just saw Ragan pull in the lot with a couple of kegs of fine Seattle suds: how bout we all kick back now : John buying the pizza and wings:thx John !
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 4, 2023 16:03:11 GMT -6
A philosophical discussion about business practises, customer service models, communication protocols/styles is all well and good, but a long way from this thread’s theme. Quint, I don’t disagree with any of your points: hell, i sold all my ua stuff twice: po’d at UA, but I would offer a different perspective about Drew’s manner:WYRIWYG: r for read ! For a guy facing the public, but of, course, answering to the boss, I find Drew pretty straight forward: meaning its always pretty clear when he is expressing his knowledge/opinions vs corporate speak, so I cut him some slack on that, but not always. UA doesn’t code or solder on water and it could be a little humbler about acknowledging where there is room for improvement. I see the last few pages as just keepin it real, but i just saw Ragan pull in the lot with a couple of kegs of fine Seattle suds: how bout we all kick back now : John’s buying the pizza and wings:thx John !
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 4, 2023 16:05:08 GMT -6
Quint, I don’t disagree with any of your points: hell, i somd alm my ua stuff twice: po’s at UA, but I would offer a different perspective about Drew’s manner:WYRIWYG: r for read !
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Post by Quint on Dec 4, 2023 16:14:59 GMT -6
A philosophical discussion about business practises, customer service models, communication protocols/styles are all welm a good, but a long way from this thread’s theme. Quint, I don’t disagree with any of your points: hell, i somd alm my ua stuff twice: po’s at UA, but I would offer a different perspective about Drew’s manner:WYRIWYG: r for read ! For a guy facing the public, but of, course, answering to the boss, I find Drew pretty straight forward: meaning its always pretty clear when he is expressing his knowledge/opinions vs corporate speak, so I cut him some slack on that, but not always. UA doesn’t code or solder in water and it could a little humbler about acknowledging where there is room for improvement. I see the last few pages as just keepin it real, but i just saw Ragan pull in the lot with a couple of kegs of fine Seattle suds: how bout we all kick back now : John buying the pizza and wings:thx John ! Like I said, I wasn't posting that to stir it back up. I just thought Eric hit the nail on the head. Hopefully Drew takes some of that to heart. Peace 🙏
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Post by ericn on Dec 4, 2023 17:12:18 GMT -6
Drew, I completely understand your situation, really there is no reason to provide us publicly or privately for that matter UA’s long term strategy. Anyone in the corporate world understands it’s fluid, so you don’t tell the competition and if you say anything people are going to take it as a promise set in stone ( oh how Apogee stepped into with the Ensemble and some of the Cards years ago). I think where the problem exists is this while you do a great job at most of what you do, in the case of this thread and in the past you haven’t done a great job at not just acknowledging some customer issues but acknowledging as the public face of UA acknowledging that these issues are being communicated to those who make the decisions. Like it or not this is an important part of being the one who is the public face. When the fact that a customer’s issues being communicated, people feel they are dealing with a big faceless corporation. Issues like the service time lag need to be acknowledged, you have to look at them through the eyes of the customer as well as the company. It may not be UA’s idea of your job discription but it is part of the public’s idea of your job. I’m sure you do bring these issues up to those in charge, you just need to acknowledge that you’re doing it every time, but what do I know I was only salesperson of the month for one the largest pro audio dealers while in a coma. Spot on. When a customer asks about or complains about something like customer service wait times, or recent issues with the bundle pricing, or, or, or... It then follows that responses from the company spokesperson like "this is all going exactly according to plan" or "we're crushing it", or "everything is working fine on my end" are completely tone deaf and are bound to irritate people. If the company spokesperson can't even be bothered to acknowledge that there is a problem, much less express any empathy about the problem, what is a customer left to think other than that the company doesn't care about and won't fix the problem? I'm not replying to your post to stir this back up again. But I thought you really hit the nail on the head, and just wanted to echo some of what you were saying. While I don’t know the particular’s of UAD’s internal politics or policies, in the age of lawyers and NDA’s saying anything but “ we are great” to the outside world especially in an archived medium can get you fired. I will admit I had a huge advantage in the truth to power scenarios, first I had a client base that included some very well known and famous clients in a multitude of industries, including the owner’s family and friends. Third and this was a biggie, I ran retail for a Mail order company, the client was standing right in front of me. The decision makers all could hide from the client and usually never had to look them in the eyes. All I had to do was say “ you want to go out there and tell the client?” You have no idea how much power that gave me. How much power did I have? When the national sales manager / VP got technically my boss got into a heated loud argument on my very public sales floor, I had the power to tell them to take it behind closed doors, the sales manager nodded, the salesperson pushed back. They were in front of a window into the owners office and the owners could hear them but wouldn’t come between them, who do you think they backed when all three of us were in the office and the sales person argued I was insubordinate and I argued their stupidity trumped organizational chart every time.
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Post by Drew @ UA on Dec 4, 2023 19:01:46 GMT -6
If the company spokesperson can't even be bothered to acknowledge that there is a problem, much less express any empathy about the problem, what is a customer left to think other than that the company doesn't care about and won't fix the problem? I do all of this on a daily basis. On the UADForum, FB, YT, and other outlets. I do more than acknowledge, I work towards fixing things. The bundle issue we had a few weeks back is a good example. I had coupons made and oversaw hundreds of users getting them. Quint, I think we should hop on Zoom for a chat. It's clear you're passionate about UA and our products. And I think we could talk for a bit and better understand each other and clear the air. PM me your availability and I can send a Zoom invite.
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Post by niklas1073 on Dec 5, 2023 5:48:56 GMT -6
Quint, I don’t disagree with any of your points: hell, i somd alm my ua stuff twice: po’s at UA, but I would offer a different perspective about Drew’s manner:WYRIWYG: r for read ! For some reason i crawled thru all the 4 pages of drama, and i’m glad I did since it eventually paid off when I hit this and just dropped dead laughing. You made my day 🤣🤣🤣 And the series is great too.
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 5, 2023 6:23:56 GMT -6
With the native ports, we expect users to lean less on Sats, but DSP will remain the backbone of the ecosystem for many years to come. Your Unison technology is based upon the DSP - so interfaces make sense to include DSP (even RME have built in tracking monitoring FX) For users like myself who have use UAD-2 DSP for mixing the story is now very different and I no longer need any new DSP cards as so many of my meat and potatoes UAD plugins now run natively. Native UAD Spark is taking the load off my UAD-2 DSP .... how's that for irony
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 5, 2023 6:34:04 GMT -6
Ironic or deliberate ? Many have requested that ua use more powerful sharc chips, but for what ever reasons, its never happened?
Well, with uadx available, this also puts ua under less oressure to update sharcs, as everyone with a ua card can run hybrid, uad2/uadx.
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