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Post by Quint on Dec 3, 2023 10:50:57 GMT -6
With the native ports, we expect users to lean less on Sats, but DSP will remain the backbone of the ecosystem for many years to come. Exactly. UA's (Drew's) statement on this is, I think, code for "we're not ever going to port non-UAD developed plugins to native, so you'll still need DSP to run those third party developed plugins into the future". Which is still a separate discussion from what the realtime use of DSP in the Apollo brings to the table during tracking. |
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Post by phantom on Dec 3, 2023 11:03:36 GMT -6
UA's (Drew's) statement on this is, I think, code for "we're not ever going to port non-UAD developed plugins to native, so you'll still need DSP to run those third party developed plugins into the future". Which is still a separate discussion from what the realtime use of DSP in the Apollo brings to the table during tracking. Which plugins are those? Brainworx? Softube? I think all of these ones already exists as Native. Apart from that, I think some of the AMS Neve's ones aren't coded by UA. Namely the DFC console and the RMX. Don't know about the DMX and I'm almost sure that the eqs CSs and compressors were done by UA. Cedar plugins I also think wasn't made by UA, just for the UAD platform. Am I missing any other one? |
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Post by Quint on Dec 3, 2023 11:12:33 GMT -6
UA's (Drew's) statement on this is, I think, code for "we're not ever going to port non-UAD developed plugins to native, so you'll still need DSP to run those third party developed plugins into the future". Which is still a separate discussion from what the realtime use of DSP in the Apollo brings to the table during tracking. Which plugins are those? Brainworx? Softube? I think all of these ones already exists as Native. Apart from that, I think some of the AMS Neve's ones aren't coded by UA. Namely the DFC console and the RMX. Don't know about the DMX and I'm almost sure that the eqs CSs and compressors were done by UA. Cedar plugins I also think wasn't made by UA, just for the UAD platform. Am I missing any other one? My point was that none of those 3rd party DSP plugins exist as native, as coded by UA. Some of those 3rd party DSP plugins, such as those coded by by Softube, do exist on native, just not on the UAD native platform. They were exclusively created by and are sold by Softube, etc. And this is why I'm saying UA won't ever release native ports of those plugins. The writing appears to be on the wall that the specifics of the licensing agreements between UA and their 3rd party developers specifically don't allow UA to sell those specific plugins as native. Which makes sense, given that you'd basically have two exact same plugins being sold by two different companies in direct competition with one another. So, sure, you can go and spend more money to buy the native version from Softube, etc., but if you want to use those plugins you already own, you'll still have to use DSP. |
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Post by phantom on Dec 3, 2023 11:27:13 GMT -6
Which plugins are those? Brainworx? Softube? I think all of these ones already exists as Native. Apart from that, I think some of the AMS Neve's ones aren't coded by UA. Namely the DFC console and the RMX. Don't know about the DMX and I'm almost sure that the eqs CSs and compressors were done by UA. Cedar plugins I also think wasn't made by UA, just for the UAD platform. Am I missing any other one? My point was that none of those 3rd party DSP plugins exist as native, as coded by UA. Some of those 3rd party DSP plugins, such as those coded by by Softube, do exist on native, just not on the UAD native platform. They were exclusively created by and are sold by Softube, etc. And this is why I'm saying UA won't ever release native ports of those plugins. The writing appears to be on the wall that the specifics of the licensing agreements between UA and their 3rd party developers specifically don't allow UA to sell those specific plugins as native. Which makes sense, given that you'd basically have two exact same plugins being sold by two different companies in direct competition with one another. So, sure, you can go and spend more money to buy the native version from Softube, etc., but if you want to use those plugins you already own, you'll still have to use DSP. I don't think those 3rd party will release many plugins for the UAD platform anymore. Softube, for example, the new Chandler plugin, the Germanium compressor, was never ported for UAD. And I don't think it'll ever be. Brainworx and Sonnox, what was the last plugin they made for UAD? But sure, if you have many 3rd party bought on the UAD platform, you are tied to the DSP to use them. Unless you re-buy them from the developers. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 3, 2023 11:53:26 GMT -6
My point was that none of those 3rd party DSP plugins exist as native, as coded by UA. Some of those 3rd party DSP plugins, such as those coded by by Softube, do exist on native, just not on the UAD native platform. They were exclusively created by and are sold by Softube, etc. And this is why I'm saying UA won't ever release native ports of those plugins. The writing appears to be on the wall that the specifics of the licensing agreements between UA and their 3rd party developers specifically don't allow UA to sell those specific plugins as native. Which makes sense, given that you'd basically have two exact same plugins being sold by two different companies in direct competition with one another. So, sure, you can go and spend more money to buy the native version from Softube, etc., but if you want to use those plugins you already own, you'll still have to use DSP. I don't think those 3rd party will release many plugins for the UAD platform anymore. Softube, for example, the new Chandler plugin, the Germanium compressor, was never ported for UAD. And I don't think it'll ever be. Brainworx and Sonnox, what was the last plugin they made for UAD? But sure, if you have many 3rd party bought on the UAD platform, you are tied to the DSP to use them. Unless you re-buy them from the developers. I wasn't saying that those 3rd party developers were going to release more plugins for UAD. I'm not sure what you're driving at? We seem to be talking about different things? I was simply saying that those 3rd party DSP plugins that exist right now likely won't ever be ported over to native on the UAD platform. That's it. |
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Post by ragan on Dec 3, 2023 11:59:01 GMT -6
I think you guys are actually saying the exact same thing.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 3, 2023 12:10:28 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 3, 2023 12:19:25 GMT -6
Quint i don’t disagree but you can wait for sales snd buy the 3rd party ones then: have grabbed a couple if softube/ua ones from ST sales
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Post by phantom on Dec 3, 2023 12:34:14 GMT -6
I think you guys are actually saying the exact same thing. Yeah, me too. Don't know what's happening, lol. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 3, 2023 13:19:16 GMT -6
Maybe we should bring in an objective 3rd party mediator ?  |
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Post by Drew @ UA on Dec 3, 2023 13:30:18 GMT -6
UA's (Drew's) statement on this is, I think, code for "we're not ever going to port non-UAD developed plugins to native, so you'll still need DSP to run those third party developed plugins into the future". Which is still a separate discussion from what the realtime use of DSP in the Apollo brings to the table during tracking. There's no code involved here at all. My words speak for themselves. We never say never to anything. |
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Post by mike on Dec 3, 2023 13:48:55 GMT -6
UA's (Drew's) statement on this is, I think, code for "we're not ever going to port non-UAD developed plugins to native, so you'll still need DSP to run those third party developed plugins into the future". Which is still a separate discussion from what the realtime use of DSP in the Apollo brings to the table during tracking. There's no code involved here at all. My words speak for themselves. We never say never to anything. Hi Drew, Saw you online here, so thought I'd ask, can you pass on word to UA Customer service a good number of us here have not received any replies at all to our support ticket/emails for 10 days or more and counting. Thank you |
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Post by Drew @ UA on Dec 3, 2023 14:00:01 GMT -6
10 business days or more is about what they're running right now.
What is your ticket #? Happy to look into it for you.
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Post by Quint on Dec 3, 2023 14:40:09 GMT -6
I think you guys are actually saying the exact same thing. Yeah, me too. Don't know what's happening, lol. Ha. Yeah, guess we're saying the same thing then. Didn't seem like it at first. All good.  |
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Post by Quint on Dec 3, 2023 14:48:54 GMT -6
Quint i don’t disagree but you can wait for sales snd buy the 3rd party ones then: have grabbed a couple if softube/ua ones from ST sales To my original point, my issues with concerns with that approach are: 1. Those plugins ported to native by UA from DSP do the auto switching thing between DSP and native in Luna. The same can be said for presets. None of this applies if using Softube's own native versions, for example. So if UA's 3rd party licenses won't ever allow a native port of the DSP version, then it's not just a simple 1:1 solution to use Softube's native version. All of that is to say that, since it looks like UA is unlikely to ever port those 3rd party DSP plugins to native, there is a significant chunk of the library that will likely continue to rely on DSP exclusively. Yeah, you can just buy the native versions from Softube, etc., but it's not the same thing. 2. You have to spend more money to buy the native versions directly from those third party companies. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 3, 2023 14:51:21 GMT -6
UA's (Drew's) statement on this is, I think, code for "we're not ever going to port non-UAD developed plugins to native, so you'll still need DSP to run those third party developed plugins into the future". Which is still a separate discussion from what the realtime use of DSP in the Apollo brings to the table during tracking. There's no code involved here at all. My words speak for themselves. We never say never to anything. Yes, we've all heard the "we never say never" thing many times before... It's the perfect non-answer to questions that requires no ownership or coherent plans. Customers: UA's customer service is a hot mess. Is it likely you guys are going to fix it? UA: We never say never to anything. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 3, 2023 15:25:18 GMT -6
I logged on yesterday and my plugins were there and everything just worked. Not sure why it just didn’t work right away? Anyway, it all works and I was able to use LUNA and tracked some stuff to test it. Worked great and sounds really good on M1👍🏻 Glad to hear you're enjoying LUNA. Thanks for taking the time. We're thrilled with the response to LUNA open, and are seeing a HUGE influx of new users. That’s good, I’m just waiting for the new UA converters to hit the market, and curious about the “no latency inserts” for outboard gear. I’m waiting to see what UA does and also waiting to see what happens with Avid, before making any decisions on what direction to go in the future. |
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Post by Drew @ UA on Dec 3, 2023 15:32:27 GMT -6
There's no code involved here at all. My words speak for themselves. We never say never to anything. Yes, we've all heard the "we never say never" thing many times before... It's the perfect non-answer to questions that requires no ownership or coherent plans. Customers: UA's customer service is a hot mess. Is it likely you guys are going to fix it? UA: We never say never to anything. Considering we don't talk about future stuff, it's the best/most appropriate answer. I get that you want me to post all the details and plans, but that's not how the world works. |
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Post by Drew @ UA on Dec 3, 2023 15:32:57 GMT -6
Glad to hear you're enjoying LUNA. Thanks for taking the time. We're thrilled with the response to LUNA open, and are seeing a HUGE influx of new users. That’s good, I’m just waiting for the new UA converters to hit the market, and curious about the “no latency inserts” for outboard gear. I’m waiting to see what UA does and also waiting to see what happens with Avid, before making any decisions on what direction to go in the future. hardware Inserts are a highly requested feature for sure!! But there is no news to share at this time. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 3, 2023 15:46:03 GMT -6
Yes, we've all heard the "we never say never" thing many times before... It's the perfect non-answer to questions that requires no ownership or coherent plans. Customers: UA's customer service is a hot mess. Is it likely you guys are going to fix it? UA: We never say never to anything. Considering we don't talk about future stuff, it's the best/most appropriate answer. I get that you want me to post all the details and plans, but that's not how the world works. I requested no such details and plans from you. I was simply providing my interpretation of your intentionally vague post (and other similarly vague posts you've made on the subject in the past). If you don't like it, well.... you can always start being less vague about things. Or UA can just prove it by starting to release 3rd party plugins on native. It's been two years (and 35 plugins) and not one 3rd party plugin has been ported to native yet. I wonder why that is? Also, by the way, this isn't the UAD forum. Thanks in advance for remembering that in the future. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 3, 2023 15:48:43 GMT -6
I think I hijacked my own thread! 😆
Carry on my pro audio peoples!
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 3, 2023 15:56:53 GMT -6
Quint, renrmber I sold all my ua stuff a year or so ago, was just fed up with ua ‘s falling all over its newbie least invested clients (ultimate for under a grand?) and not offering heavily clients equivalency and I haven’t run apollo for two years plus.
So, i was just glad to be able to get a couple of 3rd party plugs native from Softtube that I had from ua uad2.
The irony of selling ua, is that the current sales created my equivalency by myvnow being able to buy back a good subset of ua plugs i used to use , now native, and very cheaply, so i freed up roughly $1500.
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Post by Quint on Dec 3, 2023 16:43:03 GMT -6
I hear ya. I was just pointing out that it's not as simple if you are trying to use DSP and native interchangeably. And if you are trying to use native and DSP interchangeably, it appears to be becoming apparent that it's less and less likely that most or all of the 3rd party DSP plugins will ever get ported over to native on the UAD platform.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 3, 2023 17:23:52 GMT -6
I agree with your analysis, if you are not tracking with those plugs, then purchasing direct from say, Softube on sale, is just another option.
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Post by dok on Dec 3, 2023 19:05:29 GMT -6
Used AS for $700, where, sign me up ! 1-2 channels of dedicated fx or 10’s of multiple plug ins and reducing demand on your computer cpu. Not exactly apples and oranges but you’d create different results for the same money, but I think AS box would cost you more. I did say "close to", and there are two on Reverb that fit that description currently.  |
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