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Post by centralpark on Mar 26, 2023 13:05:42 GMT -6
www.waves.com/subscriptions$150/yr for 110 plugins $250/yr for all 220 I think there's many people who just use a handful of waves plugins (r-bass, s1, cla76, etc) This new structure blows that up. $150 annually to occasionally use r-bass is tough to take. Also the people who've spend hundreds, if not thousands, of dollars on perpetual licenses are getting hosed.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 26, 2023 13:22:39 GMT -6
Just the final great reason to never use Waves. Just remember, that’s not being hosed: in brave new plug in pricing/sub plan worlds speak: its win win !
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Post by copperx on Mar 26, 2023 13:35:55 GMT -6
Is this the only company in the audio world to go subscription-only, besides Avid? We'll see how that plays out.
Everybody else has a perpetual option, at least in a bundle of some form.
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Post by centralpark on Mar 26, 2023 13:58:48 GMT -6
Is this the only company in the audio world to go subscription-only, besides Avid? We'll see how that plays out. Everybody else has a perpetual option, at least in a bundle of some form. It looks like Avid quietly brought back perpetual licenses for their re-sellers? I think sweetwater and others stopped selling them for a while but now they're back. It will be very interesting to see how this plays out with Waves. Of course Pro Tools is an industry standard so if anybody could force a subscription it was Avid. I don't think waves is that essential. But maybe their market research indicated otherwise?
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Post by seawell on Mar 26, 2023 14:29:18 GMT -6
This sucks. It has me thinking, is it that these companies HAVE to go to subscription plans to survive or is this just greed? If a company wants to offer subscription and perpetual then I'm good with that, but subscription only is not something I'm interested in. Between subscriptions and all the Atmos talk I'm thinking about just finding something else to do 🤣
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Post by jaba on Mar 26, 2023 14:29:48 GMT -6
Well, ba-bye to the two waves plugs that I sometimes use but rarely do. Still, if perpetual licenses really are dead that's a tough pill for those who have paid for and use a few of their plugs regularly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2023 14:55:53 GMT -6
This sucks. It has me thinking, is it that these companies HAVE to go to subscription plans to survive or is this just greed? If a company wants to offer subscription and perpetual then I'm good with that, but subscription only is not something I'm interested in. Between subscriptions and all the Atmos talk I'm thinking about just finding something else to do 🤣 Greed, antiquated codebases, and too many hands in the pot.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 26, 2023 15:00:11 GMT -6
So what does it mean for peeps like me that use like 4-5 waves plugs? I just won’t be able to update them unless I pay for the sub?
Maybe I can finally wean off of L2. Also use vocal rider occasionally. Any vocal rider alternatives?
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Post by Quint on Mar 26, 2023 15:06:48 GMT -6
Well, that's the last straw for me and Waves. I already kind of was near the end with them anyway, but this definitely pushed me the rest of the way.
I hadn't even downloaded the few Waves plugins I do own onto my new Mac yet, but I had planned to get around to it eventually. Now I won't even bother.
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Post by stratboy on Mar 26, 2023 15:10:33 GMT -6
So what does it mean for peeps like me that use like 4-5 waves plugs? I just won’t be able to update them unless I pay for the sub? Maybe I can finally wean off of L2. Also use vocal rider occasionally. Any vocal rider alternatives? Same here. Two of my steadies. Voice Rider alternate?
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Post by drumsound on Mar 26, 2023 15:17:07 GMT -6
So, if we already have them they still work, but no updates or WUP?
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Post by hadaja on Mar 26, 2023 15:24:32 GMT -6
Well we all knew something was coming down the pipeline when they kept sending emails about making sure you have everything registered before that March date of announcement. Its not a real surprise. It was a bit naughty when they were trying to sell me special upgrade deals from Diamond to the Mercury bundles. Feel bad for those who have spent $1000’s. So now we just sit back and wait until Black Friday sales for the plug in subscription to go to $99 for the year?
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Post by ragan on Mar 26, 2023 15:33:28 GMT -6
LOL Waves sub only. Over-playing an already weak hand in my view. I don't know, maybe there are like a bunch of die hard Waves fans out there? Presumably someone in the Waves organization has a handle on who is buying/using their plugins and has thought this through. I feel like the only kind of Waves customer I know of anymore is the person who occasionally buys something for $29, never WUPs, and then maybe buys something else for $29 a Black Friday or two down the road. The whole company going sub only feels like a lot of water to try and squeeze from that stone.
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Post by mcirish on Mar 26, 2023 16:42:55 GMT -6
I am in the same boat. I do have a ton of Waves plugins but I rarely use them except for H-Delay and MV2. There are so many other developers making great plugins. Waves would have been better off if they had updated their code before going subscription. I don't see the point for me. I will use what I have till it doesn't work, but I won't be going with a subscription. I hate feeling like I have to pay to open older projects. On a side note, that happened with Adobe too. Yes, they make some great stuff but I can cover it all with Davinci Resolve Studio and Serif Affinity stuff.
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Post by Quint on Mar 26, 2023 17:04:25 GMT -6
LOL Waves sub only. Over-playing an already weak hand in my view. I don't know, maybe there are like a bunch of die hard Waves fans out there? Presumably someone in the Waves organization has a handle on who is buying/using their plugins and has thought this through. I feel like the only kind of Waves customer I know of anymore is the person who occasionally buys something for $29, never WUPs, and then maybe buys something else for $29 a Black Friday or two down the road. The whole company going sub only feels like a lot of water to try and squeeze from that stone. Yeah, Waves hasn't really felt all that relevant in a pretty good while. I don't see a subscription only model helping with that. And I have been exactly the sort of customer you describe. The ONLY reason I ever even bought the handful of Waves plugins that I do own is because of the $29 sales.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 26, 2023 17:06:55 GMT -6
And i stopped even that when their update process became so fucking complicated a couple of year’s back: Waves= why bother?
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Post by bossanova on Mar 26, 2023 17:15:17 GMT -6
I'm not on iOS for any serious production duty (PC for those) other than synth jams/composing, but I have to believe this is hedging on the need for regular WUP updates for Mac OS users, as opposed to PC users who can go for years at a time without updating, if ever.
(I am in the camp that has never WUPed and everything still works over here.)
Still, this really sucks. RVox, Vocal Rider, and a few others have been mainstays here for a while.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 26, 2023 17:16:12 GMT -6
I am in the same boat. I do have a ton of Waves plugins but I rarely use them except for H-Delay and MV2. There are so many other developers making great plugins. Waves would have been better off if they had updated their code before going subscription. I don't see the point for me. I will use what I have till it doesn't work, but I won't be going with a subscription. I hate feeling like I have to pay to open older projects. On a side note, that happened with Adobe too. Yes, they make some great stuff but I can cover it all with Davinci Resolve Studio and Serif Affinity stuff. Oh damn. Forgot about h-delay. Just quick and easy
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Post by bossanova on Mar 26, 2023 17:32:53 GMT -6
Does anyone want to start listing/inquiring about replacements for their favorite Waves plugs? I’d love to have something that can replicate the secret sauce in RVox.
I use Abbey Road Chambers from time to time but there are other, more versatile chambers out there (Sunset Sound, for one), albeit without the built in STEED emulation. PastToFuture reverbs has what are supposedly IRs of all 3 Abbey Road chambers but they’re marketed as “Imagine” Chambers, presumably because they used dubious methods to capture the IRs.
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Post by bgrotto on Mar 26, 2023 17:49:39 GMT -6
For L1 style limiting, which I occasionally do on individual channels for peaky sources, I like the ghz Faraday limiter.
The PHA plugin from Voxengo replaced InPhase.
UAD stuff kills the waves stuff for 76, 2A, Pultec, Fairchild, etc. I also like the VU Compressor from Sam Pura for 76 stuff.
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Post by Tbone81 on Mar 26, 2023 18:06:46 GMT -6
Fuck’em. I can live without MaxxBass and the 3 other waves plugins I use. I bet if we took a poll there’s only a dozen or so waves plugs that anyone on this forum uses. And how many of those are indispensable? Zero…that’s how many.
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Post by thehightenor on Mar 26, 2023 18:11:10 GMT -6
The thing is, as a different perspective.
If I was starting again from the very beginning and I’d never spent any money on any software then ….
A Mac Studio, RME or Carbon interface.
1x major DAW (Logic, Cubase or PT)
Pair of decent monitors.
And now 1x subscription for set of plug-ins - and no more than that.
Make music - stop looking at new gear all the time.
I don’t know, it might work well for someone - it would take decades to pay in sub fees that which I’ve spent on plug-ins over the last 20 years!
I could make great music with 220 waves plug-ins or UAD sub or the Slate sub etc etc - one set should be enough.
Yeah. if I was starting a fresh that might appeal greatly.
Now where was I, oh yes listing my 35 different reverb plug-ins so I can remember them all when I come to mix my new tune.
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Post by drumsound on Mar 26, 2023 18:20:11 GMT -6
I'm not on iOS for any serious production duty (PC for those) other than synth jams/composing, but I have to believe this is hedging on the need for regular WUP updates for Mac OS users, as opposed to PC users who can go for years at a time without updating, if ever. (I am in the camp that has never WUPed and everything still works over here.) Still, this really sucks. RVox, Vocal Rider, and a few others have been mainstays here for a while. You can do the same exact thing on a mac. I kept my mini pretty much timelocked for years, running software and plugins that continued to work quite well and keep my business going.
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Post by bobeschism on Mar 26, 2023 18:21:49 GMT -6
Waves' Twitter is fun at the moment, with disgruntled customers scaling the castle walls, and Waves' new "CLA Comment Deleter v1.0" plugin whirring away at breakneck speed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2023 18:47:39 GMT -6
So what does it mean for peeps like me that use like 4-5 waves plugs? I just won’t be able to update them unless I pay for the sub? Maybe I can finally wean off of L2. Also use vocal rider occasionally. Any vocal rider alternatives? Sound Radix Powair
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