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Post by chessparov on Jun 7, 2023 11:51:42 GMT -6
My opinion is that the capsule accounts for probably 80% or more of the sound of any mic. View AttachmentWhat about the other half? Chris |
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Jun 7, 2023 17:11:20 GMT -6
I love my BU67. I have owneed it for a good while now. I have an WA67 as well. Although it sounds different than the BU67, it's not a bad mic. It is a bit thicker than the BU67. Nothing a bit of eq can't handle. The WA67 is also a very big mic. Another reason I like the BU67.Tthe smaller size. I am curious about version 2 of the BU67 but thinking I can achieve the different modes with eq. All that being said I have been real curious about his BU47. There isn't many audio clips or comparisons out there on that particular mic. Plenty of clips of the t1 out there but from what I've heard of the BU47 they sound totaly different. I also would love to get one of his c12 style capsules and put it in a mic parts v251 mic I built. As well as try his k47 style capsule in my cv4. I kind of wonder if his k47 bcapsule would bring the cv4 more in the ballpark of his BU47. I would highly recommend Ben's K7 capsule in the CV4. It makes the mic usable. The CV4 was my biggest regret in mic purchasing until I decided to take a chance and replace the capsule. Now, I own two CV4 mics. Ben's K7 is very good and will get you in the U47ish camp. It's my favorite on alto vocals. I believe the electronics portion of the CV4 is very good. It seems to have been based on an Oliver Archut's U47 Alternate schematic. It's near identical. So the mic design is good and uses an EF800 tube. The main weak point is the capsule. Replace that and you have a whole new mic. My opinion is that the capsule accounts for probably 80% or more of the sound of any mic. View AttachmentThanks for the response. I did replace the capsule with the capsule that was in my warm audio 47jr which is the same capsule in the wa47. It took away the zing and made a heftier sound mic but some of the high end detail went away with that. I recently put in an ak47 capsule from Advanced audio which sounds ok. Better than the stock capsule. Maybe Bens cap will give me the high end detail I crave with a clear not so muddy low end. My other quest is finding a decent ef800 tube. I think mine is starting to introduce some noise. I had to replace the telefunken tube twice. The first one was replaced by miktek. The second one I used an RFT ef800. Now it seems those are getting harder to source. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 7, 2023 19:42:38 GMT -6
I would highly recommend Ben's K7 capsule in the CV4. It makes the mic usable. The CV4 was my biggest regret in mic purchasing until I decided to take a chance and replace the capsule. Now, I own two CV4 mics. Ben's K7 is very good and will get you in the U47ish camp. It's my favorite on alto vocals. I believe the electronics portion of the CV4 is very good. It seems to have been based on an Oliver Archut's U47 Alternate schematic. It's near identical. So the mic design is good and uses an EF800 tube. The main weak point is the capsule. Replace that and you have a whole new mic. My opinion is that the capsule accounts for probably 80% or more of the sound of any mic. View AttachmentThanks for the response. I did replace the capsule with the capsule that was in my warm audio 47jr which is the same capsule in the wa47. It took away the zing and made a heftier sound mic but some of the high end detail went away with that. I recently put in an ak47 capsule from Advanced audio which sounds ok. Better than the stock capsule. Maybe Bens cap will give me the high end detail I crave with a clear not so muddy low end. My other quest is finding a decent ef800 tube. I think mine is starting to introduce some noise. I had to replace the telefunken tube twice. The first one was replaced by miktek. The second one I used an RFT ef800. Now it seems those are getting harder to source. Bens is a definite upgrade worth every penny. |
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Jun 7, 2023 21:43:27 GMT -6
I love my BU67. I have owneed it for a good while now. I have an WA67 as well. Although it sounds different than the BU67, it's not a bad mic. It is a bit thicker than the BU67. Nothing a bit of eq can't handle. The WA67 is also a very big mic. Another reason I like the BU67.Tthe smaller size. I am curious about version 2 of the BU67 but thinking I can achieve the different modes with eq. All that being said I have been real curious about his BU47. There isn't many audio clips or comparisons out there on that particular mic. Plenty of clips of the t1 out there but from what I've heard of the BU47 they sound totaly different. I also would love to get one of his c12 style capsules and put it in a mic parts v251 mic I built. As well as try his k47 style capsule in my cv4. I kind of wonder if his k47 bcapsule would bring the cv4 more in the ballpark of his BU47. I would highly recommend Ben's K7 capsule in the CV4. It makes the mic usable. The CV4 was my biggest regret in mic purchasing until I decided to take a chance and replace the capsule. Now, I own two CV4 mics. Ben's K7 is very good and will get you in the U47ish camp. It's my favorite on alto vocals. I believe the electronics portion of the CV4 is very good. It seems to have been based on an Oliver Archut's U47 Alternate schematic. It's near identical. So the mic design is good and uses an EF800 tube. The main weak point is the capsule. Replace that and you have a whole new mic. My opinion is that the capsule accounts for probably 80% or more of the sound of any mic. View AttachmentYou don’t happen to have any sound files on the cv4 with upgraded capsules do you? |
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Post by mcirish on Jun 8, 2023 5:30:25 GMT -6
I have two or three albums of sound files using that mic exclusively on alto. :-)
YouTube videos are not the greatest sound quality but you can get a good idea about it anyway. I don't want to totally hijack this thread but go to www shadowfields.com. tons of videos are there that link to YouTube. Also, you can download the last album there for free. The link is at the top of the page for Wonderful World. All of Heather's vocals were recorded on a CV4 with an Beesneez K7 capsule. I think that has been the only mic we used on her for the last three albums at least.
If you really want, I can grab some audio files out of some of those sessions so you can hear unprocessed vocals.
Ben's capsule is not bright and airy. It's a K47/M7 type sound. I always add some 10k to it, just like I do with any other U47ish mics I've used. The K7 is smooth and takes EQ very well. If you want bright and airy but not harsh, you may want a CK12 type capsule. Ben also makes one of those.
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Post by Ward on Jun 8, 2023 6:35:59 GMT -6
It's a K47/M7 type sound. I always add some 10k to it, just like I do with any other U47ish mics I've used. The K7 is smooth and takes EQ very well. If you want bright and airy but not harsh, you may want a CK12 type capsule. Ben also makes one of those. If it' truly a K47 style cap (an M7 isn't exactly the same thing at all) then it has an irritating resonant frequency at 9.86k that you want to slightly notch out before boosting the 10k shelf. |
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Post by mcirish on Jun 8, 2023 7:55:56 GMT -6
It's a K47/M7 type sound. I always add some 10k to it, just like I do with any other U47ish mics I've used. The K7 is smooth and takes EQ very well. If you want bright and airy but not harsh, you may want a CK12 type capsule. Ben also makes one of those. If it' truly a K47 style cap (an M7 isn't exactly the same thing at all) then it has an irritating resonant frequency at 9.86k that you want to slightly notch out before boosting the 10k shelf. For me it depends on the source. I have not had any issues with the interesting peaks and dips of real U47's. Some of the notch around 7-8K is from the head baskets, from what I remember. I'm sure you're right that it could be an issue for some things, but I haven't run across it as being a problem. On the K47/M7 differences, I know they are not the same. If I recall correctly, the K47 was created as an easier to manufacture version of the M7. It was easier to match the sides. I have a couple different K47 and M7 capsules in various mics. The family resemblance is there though I find the M7 to be the slightly darker of the two, but I don't really think of it as dark, except in comparison to the inexpensive Chinese knock-offs. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 8, 2023 9:26:45 GMT -6
It's a K47/M7 type sound. I always add some 10k to it, just like I do with any other U47ish mics I've used. The K7 is smooth and takes EQ very well. If you want bright and airy but not harsh, you may want a CK12 type capsule. Ben also makes one of those. If it' truly a K47 style cap (an M7 isn't exactly the same thing at all) then it has an irritating resonant frequency at 9.86k that you want to slightly notch out before boosting the 10k shelf. You’re right, but Ben gets that dimensionality right in the M7 that just isn’t there in K47’s so reaching for the EQ is a very small trade off. The Old Gefells are probably my standard for M7’s and with Bens I used less EQ. |
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Jun 8, 2023 16:20:14 GMT -6
I have two or three albums of sound files using that mic exclusively on alto. :-) YouTube videos are not the greatest sound quality but you can get a good idea about it anyway. I don't want to totally hijack this thread but go to www shadowfields.com. tons of videos are there that link to YouTube. Also, you can download the last album there for free. The link is at the top of the page for Wonderful World. All of Heather's vocals were recorded on a CV4 with an Beesneez K7 capsule. I think that has been the only mic we used on her for the last three albums at least. If you really want, I can grab some audio files out of some of those sessions so you can hear unprocessed vocals. Ben's capsule is not bright and airy. It's a K47/M7 type sound. I always add some 10k to it, just like I do with any other U47ish mics I've used. The K7 is smooth and takes EQ very well. If you want bright and airy but not harsh, you may want a CK12 type capsule. Ben also makes one of those. Yeah!!! That would be great if you don't mind sharing some raw tracks. So you put his K47 in your cv4 and not his M7? I did listen to about hald the album thus far. I really like the bands organic sound. Curious as to what you used on the male vocals. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jun 8, 2023 18:54:06 GMT -6
I did a 47 vocal shootout 2 on the “purple people eater” forum and the K7 in what has become the Fleasneez sounded very good. It has a slight mid range poke compared to the new scooped K49’s but that is great for vocals and guitars etc. it’s vintage and authentic sounding like many of Ben’s robust brass offerings. I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend it as a top tier K47 style capsule. I have a spare pair of K49’s but I prefer the K7 for that purpose. I really want the CK12’s and BU67’s.
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Jun 8, 2023 19:14:51 GMT -6
I did a 47 vocal shootout 2 on the “purple people eater” forum and the K7 in what has become the Fleasneez sounded very good. It has a slight mid range poke compared to the new scooped K49’s but that is great for vocals and guitars etc. it’s vintage and authentic sounding like many of Ben’s robust brass offerings. I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend it as a top tier K47 style capsule. I have a spare pair of K49’s but I prefer the K7 for that purpose. I really want the CK12’s and BU67’s. Roger that. Yeah I want one of his ck12 capsules to put in a mic-parts v251 circuit I built. The BU67 I own is a great mic. I notice different pres brings out different charachters of the BU67. With my ISA pres it sounds very flat. Not bright not too much lows but thick and creamy. With my wa1073 it has a darker character and some bite depending on how I set the pre. With my Pacifica it brings out the high end and tends to roll off the low mids a bit. Then you have the mode switches which take it to other areas of the tone spectrum. When I first got it it was set in the mod mode. I had no idea. It was heavy on the lows and a bit more bite up top. When I turned the mod off, the mids poked more. i am still learning the mic after owning it for almost a year. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Jun 8, 2023 19:38:59 GMT -6
Yes I imagine the Olympic or Coil pres would pick up the air and glow that might get lost in modern circuitry.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Jun 8, 2023 20:49:11 GMT -6
I have one of Bens M7's in a EF12k based U47. Its my favourite microphone. Very smooth and takes eq well if you need a high end boost.
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Post by gmichael on Jun 9, 2023 3:06:25 GMT -6
the Fleasneez sounded very good. Have you lodged your copyright documents for the Fleasneez name yet? 
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Post by Ward on Jun 9, 2023 6:33:54 GMT -6
I have one of Bens M7's in a EF12k based U47. Its my favourite microphone. Very smooth and takes eq well if you need a high end boost. That's good to know! I got sent a mix to review last night, asking if I could fix it. The vocals all have this weird aliasing thing going on... the high end swirls like it's the 2001 era of cheap DAWs again. Asked what the mic was? Warm 47. Adding high end only makes it worse. |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 9, 2023 11:56:59 GMT -6
Sounds semi-Custom. And semi-Lo-fi. What's the downside? Not that I'm in any way/shape/form... I could ever expect it to remotely match, the mass manufactured excellence. Of my MXL V69's Pristine capsule-of course!  Chris |
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Post by russellcreekps on May 3, 2024 17:40:41 GMT -6
Very intrigued by this mic. Anyone else checked this out yet? Long time lurker, first time poster. Actually this thread, another one on RGO and Seawell Studio’s YT vids convinced me to purchase this mic. Have also read all over GS about BN mic’s for years but I just couldn’t get over the old logo (no offence to anyone who has one of those!). I just got it today and haven’t had a chance to try it yet as we’re having a no power cord issue. In Canada here, maybe I need to get my own…have reached out to Veronica, sure she’ll get back soon. For lead vox here’s some mic’s I have/had (no u67 and never used one)…NU100K (current main vox mic), M149, TM1, R92, KU5A, Townsend Sphere, SM7B and some AA stuff. Build quality is AAA, it is absolutely beautiful in person and totally stacks up to the M149 I had. I just could bring myself to fork out the dough for a 67 RI and couldn’t find anyone else making a 67 to the specs of BN, so here we are. In case it’s helpful to anyone, thought I’d post some pics of the latest model. Loving that it comes with 47 style mount (cuz damn it looks good but also easy access to the internal switches), the new case is killer, the PSU is a monster and looks great (roughly twice the height of AA or Pearlman PSU’s), and that new logo is perfect…Gotham style for Batman (hehe, see photo). If any of you know if I can use a power cord on their PSU from say an Audioscape unit or Locomotive unit, I’d greatly appreciate it!…have a singer/songwriter coming in Sunday and would love to try this mic out on him…I think it’ll complement my NU100K perfectly for something a little slower and somewhat darker (in the original setting). Again, haven’t had a chance to test it out but damn the build quality is great for a mic of this price! (Will update once I get a working power cord) |
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Post by russellcreekps on May 3, 2024 17:50:53 GMT -6
And if Ben is checking this out, I would gladly have paid a higher price tag for a longer mic cable with Tuchel connector and a brief description including the dip switch settings (something like Audioscape provides). Clearly Ben pays close attention to customer feedback since he’s now including the 47 style mount…love it! |
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Post by mics on May 3, 2024 18:02:39 GMT -6
And if Ben is checking this out, I would gladly have paid a higher price tag for a longer mic cable with Tuchel connector and a brief description including the dip switch settings (something like Audioscape provides). Clearly Ben pays close attention to customer feedback since he’s now including the 47 style mount…love it! Hi there. You can absolutely use any IEC power cord to connect your mic. Just be sure to switch the rear of the psu to 115v to make it suitable for Canada. So sorry we don’t supply the cord, there are reasons as to why which involve each country’s regulatory authorities (they all have different requirements) We have a page on the website that explains how to use the switches. beesneezproaudio.com/product/classic-b67-269-version-2/Press the tab that says “internal switching” and all is explained there. Let us know how you go! Glad you like the mount. Cheers Ben |
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Post by russellcreekps on May 3, 2024 18:18:29 GMT -6
Thanks for the quick response Ben…very excited, looking forward to trying it out myself tomorrow. Cheers!
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Post by russellcreekps on May 3, 2024 18:50:44 GMT -6
That brings up a question Ben, whenever you have a chance to respond. When the broadcast filter dip switch is set to the right, is that engaging the filter as per the original (pre-mod)? The mod was to remove the broadcast filter to extend the frequency response correct? If so, just want to be sure I have it set correctly to remove it. Thx
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Post by Vincent R. on May 3, 2024 19:12:10 GMT -6
I got one recently myself and it’s fantastic. I believe the S2 filter is set to stock mode, and flipping into the on position bypasses it, but I’ll wait for mics to chime in and confirm. |
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Post by russellcreekps on May 3, 2024 20:16:19 GMT -6
I got one recently myself and it’s fantastic. I believe the S2 filter is set to stock mode, and flipping into the on position bypasses it, but I’ll wait for mics to chime in and confirm. Thanks Vincent, will give it a try tomorrow and see if I can notice the difference. |
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Post by mics on May 3, 2024 20:36:27 GMT -6
Hi all. For the S2, it is in place if the switch is to the right. When the switch is to the left, it is bypassed.
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Post by mcirish on May 3, 2024 22:22:40 GMT -6
1) Pad
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4 & 5 work together
4R, 5R = Old 67
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4R, 5L = Old 269 (this is what I had it set for)
4L, 5L = New 269
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