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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 30, 2022 9:22:11 GMT -6
Having listen to the various clips, it’s hard not to be very impressed with the BU67 - it feels like something of a bargain! Does anyone know if BN make their own capsules in house in Australia? Yes
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Post by musicminister187 on Nov 30, 2022 10:21:36 GMT -6
The complain about the BU67 which was sold was the high noise floor. The question is how bad the noise floor is and whether the quality is something to worry about.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 30, 2022 15:03:29 GMT -6
The complain about the BU67 which was sold was the high noise floor. The question is how bad the noise floor is and whether the quality is something to worry about. Kind of a misstatement here. I have two BU67’s. One has issues and Ben is supposedly sending a replacement. The other is Seawells. I thought the noise floor on both were higher than my MK67. “How bad the noise floor is” leads one to believe maybe something else. Great mics, btw. I do wish the noise floor was as low as my other mics.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 30, 2022 17:21:05 GMT -6
The complain about the BU67 which was sold was the high noise floor. The question is how bad the noise floor is and whether the quality is something to worry about. Kind of a misstatement here. I have two BU67’s. One has issues and Ben is supposedly sending a replacement. The other is Seawells. I thought the noise floor on both were higher than my MK67. “How bad the noise floor is” leads one to believe maybe something else. Great mics, btw. I do wish the noise floor was as low as my other mics. FWIW, I feel like the noise floor on my BeesNeez Frank was always a bit high as well. Really, I think that it's just not the most sensitive mic and requires more gain than others, so I end up pushing my preamp a little harder. Louder sources are fine, but quiet sources have a bit of noise floor.
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 1, 2022 5:59:24 GMT -6
Having use a Korby Kat with several heads, I totally get it. It’s a gorgeous mic. I loved the 67 and 251 heads. My buddy had all the hotrodded caps. He even had a 49 cap that sent me on my 49 journey. Glad you got it back in working order. Man, I'm jealous! I never managed to come across the 49 cap, I'd love to at some point! I did have the C800 cap for a while. I currently have the 67, 251, C12 and 47. I always thought the 47 was the weak link but since getting it back in tip top shape, it may be my favorite now! I've done a lot of projects with worship teams at churches where there are multiple male and female singers and the Korby has just been a Godsend during those times to quickly swap between caps(they are hot swappable) and keep the ball rolling. I was a bit nervous about long term maintenance but since Mr. Wheeler moved to NC I feel much better about it! Yeah, that Korby Kat 49 head was something custom my friend had made when he bought the system. I even talked to Shannon about it way back and he remembered making that cap. My friend had the 12, 251, 67M, and 47, but all were custom tweaked or tweaked with recommendations by Korby. I believe the 67M was based on a specific Abby Road modified U67, which was a bit more open than a stock U67. Loved the 251 and really liked the 67M on both Emily and I. I didn’t try the 47 cap, as he had a Wagner U47W with a real M7, BV8, and VF14 tube, and basically said it wasn’t even worth considering the Korby 47 with the U47W around. On my voice the Korby 49 beat out the Wagner though. The FleA 47 I’ve used in my videos reminds me a lot of that Wagner, but with a lighter low end. That session was a fun one.
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Dec 1, 2022 12:56:09 GMT -6
Kind of a misstatement here. I have two BU67’s. One has issues and Ben is supposedly sending a replacement. The other is Seawells. I thought the noise floor on both were higher than my MK67. “How bad the noise floor is” leads one to believe maybe something else. Great mics, btw. I do wish the noise floor was as low as my other mics. FWIW, I feel like the noise floor on my BeesNeez Frank was always a bit high as well. Really, I think that it's just not the most sensitive mic and requires more gain than others, so I end up pushing my preamp a little harder. Louder sources are fine, but quiet sources have a bit of noise floor. I have to agree, this mic does take a bit more gain from the pre. As far as noise, I have not experienced any from mine. If I remeber correctly the mic Josh owned has an ef86 tube. Not sure what tube you have in the other. Mine has the other tube he now uses. Mine has the tube where the lead does not come out of the top of the tube. I remember Ben mentioning that he went with this other tube because of the noise floor issues with the ef86 design in this mic. The downer with this is I can't do any tube swaps with an ef86. At least that is what Ben said. That the mic is not compatible with the ef86. Not the last revision anyway.
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Post by musicminister187 on Dec 1, 2022 16:31:03 GMT -6
Tempted to get this mic. I really love the u67 sound from all the clips I’ve heard so far, such a balanced sound and has that Neumann mid range my ears are growing to love. It doesn’t have the hifi sound of the u87 but similar in the middle. I’m saving a bit more so I can purchase a mic in the u67ri, SU-017, 47 range but this is truly tempting.
If anyone has both a u67 (Ri or vintage) and a BU67, or tested both, please share your thoughts on how it matches up with the real deal. Thanks.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 1, 2022 17:57:41 GMT -6
Again the BU67 is even a bit mellower, on the top end, compared to a U67. My direct experience of BU67 vs U67, is limited to just the Reissues. But have listened FWIW to tons of records, cut on a U67 for further listening reference. Trivia note... The U67 that Justin Hayward used on the Moodies "Classic 7" albums, is (rightfully) considered one of the best 67's ever made. Right up there with the "Dolly" 251. Magical! Chris P.S. I didn't play around with the BU67 internal switch BTW, that moves it into more of a 269 style.
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Dec 1, 2022 18:27:06 GMT -6
I have not directly compared the BU67 to a reissue, but the samples I've heard seems to have a lot more top end than the original 67's. I have to agree with chessprov. The BU67 is a mellow sounding mic. It has a nice top and plenty of lowes. It is a full sounding mic. I have not played with the internal switches on mine either. I did compare it to a wa67.I found that the wa67 has a bigger build up in the low mids. I also notice that the proximity effect is much more pronounced on the wa67. The BU67 is actually very surprising. You can get right up on it and it doesn't seem to bother the mic.
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Post by musicminister187 on Dec 1, 2022 21:50:02 GMT -6
Again the BU67 is even a bit mellower, on the top end, compared to a U67. My direct experience of BU67 vs U67, is limited to just the Reissues. But have listened FWIW to tons of records, cut on a U67 for further listening reference. Trivia note... The U67 that Justin Hayward used on the Moodies "Classic 7" albums, is (rightfully) considered one of the best 67's ever made. Right up there with the "Dolly" 251. Magical! Chris P.S. I didn't play around with the BU67 internal switch BTW, that moves it into more of a 269 style. Hi Chris, if it was you would you save for the reissue or go with a bu67? Other than the “bit mellower top end”, how is the clarity? Doing gigs lately, I’ve realized that our artiste sound decent enough on an sm58 which is a flat mic, I recon a u67 would be amazing.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 1, 2022 23:47:07 GMT -6
Thanks MM, I'm actually flattered by your asking me... Considering the powerhouse posters (compared to me), active on this thread. But I make up for my relative "un-expertise" with genuine enthusiasm! , IMHO you can make fine sounding, professional level recordings, with the BU67. Honestly for my personal use, it makes more sense than further waiting/saving up for the 67 Reissue. This includes the occasional "important" vocal recording and/or VO project. I still have the greatest respect for those, where their taste is such, that only a Neumann will do. I do however, think that the BU67 clarity is excellent. Chris P.S. One of my best friends, sounds fantastic on 57/58... Even the SM48 I gave her as a gift recently! (I believe this is an "exception"-not the Rule-BTW)
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 2, 2022 3:05:12 GMT -6
I have not directly compared the BU67 to a reissue, but the samples I've heard seems to have a lot more top end than the original 67's. I have to agree with chessprov. The BU67 is a mellow sounding mic. It has a nice top and plenty of lowes. It is a full sounding mic. I have not played with the internal switches on mine either. I did compare it to a wa67.I found that the wa67 has a bigger build up in the low mids. I also notice that the proximity effect is much more pronounced on the wa67. The BU67 is actually very surprising. You can get right up on it and it doesn't seem to bother the mic. I can’t justify adding another 5K high end tube mic to my locker, so this BU67 seems an affordable alternative to the Neumann RI 67. Do you have any noise issues or build issues with yours? I’ve heard a few comments the BU67 had a lot of self noise?
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Post by chessparov on Dec 3, 2022 12:26:40 GMT -6
I'm not sure what the A Weighted S/N is, for the BU67 but... If you're close mic-ing it, as the 67 was designed for (over the 47*), it's moot anyway IMHO. Chris *IIRC a Neumann 47 tube mic's S/N seems pretty high, by today's standards. But I haven't returned any Sinatra records yet.
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Post by recordingengineer on Dec 3, 2022 12:45:08 GMT -6
Right. I’d guess it’d only be a potential-issue if trying to use on a quietly-played acoustic guitar for a singer/songwriter song; which is probably the easiest, quickest, and most-popular way when “testing” a new mic for most people, right there in their home.
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Post by thehightenor on Dec 3, 2022 14:01:12 GMT -6
Right. I’d guess it’d only be a potential-issue if trying to use on a quietly-played acoustic guitar for a singer/songwriter song; which is probably the easiest, quickest, and most-popular way when “testing” a new mic for most people, right there in their home. That's the only issue with all these cottage industry mics made all around the world, you have to buy direct so those no realistic chance of a home demo first, it's one area where the bigger players have a distinct advantage.
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Post by guitarheadhunt on Dec 5, 2022 2:35:10 GMT -6
I have not directly compared the BU67 to a reissue, but the samples I've heard seems to have a lot more top end than the original 67's. I have to agree with chessprov. The BU67 is a mellow sounding mic. It has a nice top and plenty of lowes. It is a full sounding mic. I have not played with the internal switches on mine either. I did compare it to a wa67.I found that the wa67 has a bigger build up in the low mids. I also notice that the proximity effect is much more pronounced on the wa67. The BU67 is actually very surprising. You can get right up on it and it doesn't seem to bother the mic. I can’t justify adding another 5K high end tube mic to my locker, so this BU67 seems an affordable alternative to the Neumann RI 67. Do you have any noise issues or build issues with yours? I’ve heard a few comments the BU67 had a lot of self noise? I have not had issues with noise. I do know that Ben made a few of these mics with an ef86 tube and made mention he was having some noise floor issues. He found a different tube that he used for all the other builds. I have recorded vocals and acoustic guitar going through various pres and comps. No problems for me. With the exchange rate right now you probably get cheaper than I did. I bout mine about 1500 usd. Not to long ago it was a bit more than 1300.
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Post by phdamage on Dec 11, 2022 21:24:49 GMT -6
Haven’t really put it through its paces yet but been really enjoying the BU67 so far. Much darker than any tube mic I own. Have only used on dirt guitars and mono overhead thus far. I have never had the pleasure of using a real 67 but always suspected I would dig it. So far, so good with this thing.
Haven’t made use of the mod switches just yet - they’re all in stock position.
Honestly, I was floored by how small it was - compared to my Lawson’s, Stam 47, mic rehab 251s and cathedral pipes, hell, I think my Royer mod MXL2001s might even be bigger. Are real 67s smaller as well?
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Post by seawell on Dec 11, 2022 21:45:44 GMT -6
Haven’t really put it through its paces yet but been really enjoying the BU67 so far. Much darker than any tube mic I own. Have only used on dirt guitars and mono overhead thus far. I have never had the pleasure of using a real 67 but always suspected I would dig it. So far, so good with this thing. Haven’t made use of the mod switches just yet - they’re all in stock position. Honestly, I was floored by how small it was - compared to my Lawson’s, Stam 47, mic rehab 251s and cathedral pipes, hell, I think my Royer mod MXL2001s might even be bigger. Are real 67s smaller as well? It’s smaller than a Neumann U67. It’s more in line with the size of the U89.
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 12, 2022 5:59:12 GMT -6
Honestly, the small size makes changing the tube and using the switches a bit of a pain.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 12, 2022 17:40:39 GMT -6
Fortunately the stock tube sounded fine and dandy on me. Vincent, what are your thoughts on the internal "269 switch"? How close/different to the other 269 styles you've tried/have? Thanks, Chris
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 13, 2022 8:42:05 GMT -6
Fortunately the stock tube sounded fine and dandy on me. Vincent, what are your thoughts on the internal "269 switch"? How close/different to the other 269 styles you've tried/have? Thanks, Chris I think it definitely provides a different sound than the stock 67 sound. It’s a little leaner and more open. Still, it’s not nearly as open as my RMS269 was. The RMS is a soundalike, not a clone. Still it had that big mid thing, with the added sparkle on the top end that I expected it to. The RMS269 was certainly closer to the M269C that I had used. Maybe a touch more open. My whole setup is different now as I’ve switched from an Apollo Silverface to a Carbon and replaced my foam panels with GIK. So even if I tried to replicate things I had recorded with the RMS269, it wouldn’t be an accurate fight. I imagine the RMS269 would sound a lot less woofy and more even with my new set up, with a cleaner less peaky top end. So it wouldn’t be apples to apples even if I tried really hard to match an old vocal performance.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 13, 2022 13:28:39 GMT -6
Thanks! Chris
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Post by indiehouse on Mar 2, 2023 9:54:14 GMT -6
After more than 5 months of unkept promises of sending a replacement BU67, with the latest broken promise stating "it's on it's way, will have tracking for you tomorrow", he has now backpedaled on his word and wants me to send the mic to him for repair (which would have made sense if he said that to begin with). I was upfront on all aspects of this mic on day one, being that I bought it secondhand. It was his offer to send me a replacement, asking me to send the noisy mic back once I received it.
Given all the unkept promises, I don't think I'd see this mic again if I sent it.
It's not my intention to bad mouth, but rather just sharing the facts of my frustrating experience so that others may make an informed decision.
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 2, 2023 10:18:21 GMT -6
Having reached out to them a few times for both their logo and with questions on the mic itself, I have to agree communication is pretty poor.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 2, 2023 21:32:22 GMT -6
I have learned to never deal with any company that has known communication issues, regardless of the quality of their work.
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