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Post by Drew @ UA on Feb 16, 2022 11:39:20 GMT -6
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Post by seawell on Feb 16, 2022 12:36:38 GMT -6
2 questions I have if you’re able to comment on it yet.. 1) Has the sound of the Bock line changed at all? 2) Will the prices be the same? Higher? Lower? Thanks! This is definitely not the time to be asking anyone about pricing, if they are smart they will hand you a coin and say “ heads it’s more expensive tails we hold the line.” Those are the odds right now. "Bock pricing is: UA Bock 187: $1,249 UA Bock 167: $2,999 UA Bock 251: $5,999 The SD-1 is $100 less than an SM7 FYI. " |
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Post by drbill on Feb 16, 2022 13:06:33 GMT -6
Pricing wise the UA mics look like what I initially thought, a rebranding of the Bock 251. Come on, admit it Vincent!!! You were $1.00 off. It's OK. No one is perfect...  |
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Post by aremos on Feb 16, 2022 13:12:32 GMT -6
4 pages in 23 hours!
Any other thread like this?
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Post by Guitar on Feb 16, 2022 13:13:36 GMT -6
4 pages in 23 hours! Any other thread like this? Typically, historically, any new product announcement thread. They're all like this... rampant speculation, people love it! |
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Post by nick8801 on Feb 16, 2022 13:16:59 GMT -6
All press is good press
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Post by Quint on Feb 16, 2022 15:05:49 GMT -6
Haha! That's 100% OK with me. Dozens (probably hundreds) of people have active voiced their dislike of the silver vibe of the SB. Diversity is what makes the world go round. If you dig the colors, I think it's great - for you. For me, it's not only the colors, it's the head baskets and body style too. To me they look like cheap rebranded Chinese mics - which I'm fairly sure they are not. But hey - it's JUST my opinion, which is no more valid than yours. I'm sure tons of people will dig em and put em to excellent use. If Bock is involved, they are almost certainly going to sound awesome. [edit:] apologies to anyone who loves the look. No offense intended - they are just not my cup of tea, and although I was excited to see what Bock/UA would come up with - these pretty much caught me off guard. Guess I should have just bit my lip and stayed quiet. I would at least expected Binders or equivalent and high end body on a $6k mic. Maybe I'm missing something. Anyway, again, wish them the best of luck. As someone that find them extremely ugly, I'm with you here bill. And I don't think you are not allowed to say that just because you have a product with another company. That's ludicrous. I just hope UA makes a "classic" version as well. No need to reinvent the wheel. Or even repaint the wheel. Just give us the old look and offer these iPhone colors as well for the younglings. It's not that no one is allowed to say anything. Let's call it a matter of professional courtesy between manufacturers then. I'm just saying that comments like that are how "Heritage vs BAE" type wars get started and I would think we'd all want to avoid that. |
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Post by phantom on Feb 16, 2022 15:22:32 GMT -6
As someone that find them extremely ugly, I'm with you here bill. And I don't think you are not allowed to say that just because you have a product with another company. That's ludicrous. I just hope UA makes a "classic" version as well. No need to reinvent the wheel. Or even repaint the wheel. Just give us the old look and offer these iPhone colors as well for the younglings. It's not that no one is allowed to say anything. Let's call it a matter of professional courtesy between manufacturers then. I'm just saying that comments like that are how "Heritage vs BAE" type wars get started and I would think we'd all want to avoid that. I don't think bill was rude. And he's not even a manufacturer. He helped to create a hardware by LTL. I see him here more like a fellow user here. But that's your opinion. A gentleman opinion, and it's all good. |
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Post by Quint on Feb 16, 2022 15:26:12 GMT -6
It's not that no one is allowed to say anything. Let's call it a matter of professional courtesy between manufacturers then. I'm just saying that comments like that are how "Heritage vs BAE" type wars get started and I would think we'd all want to avoid that. I don't think bill was rude. And he's not even a manufacturer. He helped to create a hardware by LTL. I see him here more like a fellow user here. But that's your opinion. A gentleman opinion, and it's all good. Yeah, I didn't see the comment as necessarily malicious either. It's all good. |
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Post by drbill on Feb 16, 2022 16:35:30 GMT -6
As someone that find them extremely ugly, I'm with you here bill. And I don't think you are not allowed to say that just because you have a product with another company. That's ludicrous. I just hope UA makes a "classic" version as well. No need to reinvent the wheel. Or even repaint the wheel. Just give us the old look and offer these iPhone colors as well for the younglings. It's not that no one is allowed to say anything. Let's call it a matter of professional courtesy between manufacturers then. I'm just saying that comments like that are how "Heritage vs BAE" type wars get started and I would think we'd all want to avoid that. Not to beat what is appearing to be an already dead horse, but it was my personal opinion. And just FYI - I'm not a manufacturer, and I didn't lie or dis the parts or build or sound of the mics ala the BAE / Heritage thread. All I said was I thought they were ugly, and as mentioned, one man's ugly is another man's beautiful. Diversity. Opinion. We should all be able to be "different". That's all it was. And I believe I mentioned that they would probably sound great with David involved. |
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Post by Quint on Feb 16, 2022 17:14:25 GMT -6
It's not that no one is allowed to say anything. Let's call it a matter of professional courtesy between manufacturers then. I'm just saying that comments like that are how "Heritage vs BAE" type wars get started and I would think we'd all want to avoid that. Not to beat what is appearing to be an already dead horse, but it was my personal opinion. And just FYI - I'm not a manufacturer, and I didn't lie or dis the parts or build or sound of the mics ala the BAE / Heritage thread. All I said was I thought they were ugly, and as mentioned, one man's ugly is another man's beautiful. Diversity. Opinion. We should all be able to be "different". That's all it was. And I believe I mentioned that they would probably sound great with David involved. You may not technically be the "manufacturer" but I would still consider you the promotional face of LTL, so it's a bit splitting of hairs. There's nothing wrong with different personal opinions. That doesn't have anything to do with my original post. It just came off, at least to me, as a little distasteful for one manufacturer (representative, promoter, whatever you prefer to call yourself) to dis another manufacturer's new product in such a way, on what effectively amounts to an announcement thread of that product on this site. If you say it was a personal opinion, I'm fine with accepting that. It just gets a little hard to discern the difference sometimes when you DO spend a lot of time on here and elsewhere actively promoting LTL. In any case, it's all good. The horse has been beaten, shot, beaten some more, and is now at the glue factory. Let's move on. ✌️ |
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 16, 2022 17:58:19 GMT -6
Pricing wise the UA mics look like what I initially thought, a rebranding of the Bock 251. Come on, admit it Vincent!!! You were $1.00 off. It's OK. No one is perfect... ok. I had a moment. Lol. |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 16, 2022 19:11:30 GMT -6
4 pages in 23 hours! Any other thread like this? Typically, historically, any new product announcement thread. They're all like this... rampant speculation, people love it! We're all a bunch of mic luna-tics!  Chris |
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Post by chessparov on Feb 16, 2022 19:30:10 GMT -6
So... 187 = U195? There's GOTTA be a FAT switch still! Right? Thanks, Chris |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 16, 2022 19:34:42 GMT -6
Good to hear from you Drew. I get the need for being positive and diplomatic regarding the new SD-1. But since it's blatantly obvious it's copying the SM-7B, my question is does the SD-1 improve on the sound of the SM-7b or not. If it isn't demonstrably better I can't see any reason to buy it. I can get an SM-7b for $340 any day.
I could use an SM-7b sometimes and would be glad to save a little money and buy the SD-1. I like the white color better, but that's not enough to make me get one.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 16, 2022 19:45:16 GMT -6
Good to hear from you Drew. I get the need for being positive and diplomatic regarding the new SD-1. But since it's blatantly obvious it's copying the SM-7B, my question is does the SD-1 improve on the sound of the SM-7b or not. If it isn't demonstrably better I can't see any reason to buy it. I can get an SM-7b for $340 any day. I could use an SM-7b sometimes and would be glad to save a little money and buy the SD-1. I like the white color better, but that's not enough to make me get one. I want to see a shootout of the UA mic with the sub-$100 TBone mic and see how close they are! |
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Post by ml on Feb 16, 2022 20:30:07 GMT -6
1. What if Bock or UA came on here and called the Silver Bullet ugly... Just something to think about. 2. I hate the color pink, but I wouldn't let that stop me from buying a LTL product. 3. I quite like those tones of green and think those new UA Bocks look nice. Haha! That's 100% OK with me. Dozens (probably hundreds) of people have active voiced their dislike of the silver vibe of the SB. Diversity is what makes the world go round. If you dig the colors, I think it's great - for you. For me, it's not only the colors, it's the head baskets and body style too. To me they look like cheap rebranded Chinese mics - which I'm fairly sure they are not. But hey - it's JUST my opinion, which is no more valid than yours. I'm sure tons of people will dig em and put em to excellent use. If Bock is involved, they are almost certainly going to sound awesome. [edit:] apologies to anyone who loves the look. No offense intended - they are just not my cup of tea, and although I was excited to see what Bock/UA would come up with - these pretty much caught me off guard. Guess I should have just bit my lip and stayed quiet. I would at least expected Binders or equivalent and high end body on a $6k mic. Maybe I'm missing something. Anyway, again, wish them the best of luck. I agree they look like cheap Chinese mics at first glance. Also the “Bock” lettering on the body looks like an afterthought. I think at 6k it should look the part too. But maybe they look better in person. |
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Post by drbill on Feb 16, 2022 21:31:22 GMT -6
I want to see a shootout of the UA mic with the sub-$100 TBone mic and see how close they are! Over on another site, about 14-15 years ago, I shot out a $110 TNC ACM1200 (Apex 460) against a vintage M49, a famous tech modded -(but then modded again) - vintage U47 which was a FAVORITE at the rental company, a Gefell UM70 and a vintage U87. Guess what...... heh heh Inexpensive mics are much better than they were 20 years ago. How much better and what's worth more (or less) - in the ears of the beholders. In a blind test like I did above, there were a LOT of surprises, and a bunch of unbelievers and quite a few angry people who got mad at me. Go figure.... I know,,,,,, LOL |
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Post by Guitar on Feb 16, 2022 21:38:36 GMT -6
I want to see a shootout of the UA mic with the sub-$100 TBone mic and see how close they are! Over on another site, about 14-15 years ago, I shot out a $110 TNC ACM1200 (Apex 460) against a vintage M49, a famous tech modded -(but then modded again) - vintage U47 which was a FAVORITE at the rental company, a Gefell UM70 and a vintage U87. Guess what...... heh heh Inexpensive mics are much better than they were 20 years ago. How much better and what's worth more (or less) - in the ears of the beholders. In a blind test like I did above, there were a LOT of surprises, and a bunch of unbelievers and quite a few angry people who got mad at me. Go figure.... I know,,,,,, LOL oh man, I LOVE that stuff. When you force people to reckon with their own biases and what they actually like. Brilliant! btw Apex 460 is one of my favorite mics of all time. I mod the hell out of them and end up with 251, C12, and 67-ish mics that I'm proud to use. You basically change every single part and it's not the Apex 460 at all anymore, really, but they're brilliant platforms for this type of work. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 16, 2022 22:16:33 GMT -6
I was once at a Soyuz event with 20 producers and engineers in a good studio. They compared lots of different things, but most surprising was the acoustic guitar shootout. There was a vintage U67, U87, Soyuz 0-11 ,0-13, Beeznees pencil mic, and the Soyuz 0-19 FET. I wished they had a KM84 there, but still, it was cool.
All twenty ears chose the same mic blind. It was the Soyuz 0-19. I did not expect that at all. I recognized the U67 immediately, and it was my second choice. It had that unmistakable Abbey Road/Beatles sound.
My point is that even though the Soyuz wasn't cheap at $2,000, no one expected it to best the well maintained $15,000 U67 or the U87, or the Soyuz SDC's. That is my go to for acoustic guitar now, although sometimes I get lazy and since I have the SA-67 always hooked up. I just use that a lot.
You gotta hear it to really know about these mics, but a shootout can occasionally be quite informative.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 17, 2022 0:48:28 GMT -6
I want to see a shootout of the UA mic with the sub-$100 TBone mic and see how close they are! Over on another site, about 14-15 years ago, I shot out a $110 TNC ACM1200 (Apex 460) against a vintage M49, a famous tech modded -(but then modded again) - vintage U47 which was a FAVORITE at the rental company, a Gefell UM70 and a vintage U87. Guess what... The M49 won! Chris |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2022 1:31:12 GMT -6
I was once at a Soyuz event with 20 producers and engineers in a good studio. They compared lots of different things, but most surprising was the acoustic guitar shootout. There was a vintage U67, U87, Soyuz 0-11 ,0-13, Beeznees pencil mic, and the Soyuz 0-19 FET. I wished they had a KM84 there, but still, it was cool. All twenty ears chose the same mic blind. It was the Soyuz 0-19. I did not expect that at all. I recognized the U67 immediately, and it was my second choice. It had that unmistakable Abbey Road/Beatles sound. My point is that even though the Soyuz wasn't cheap at $2,000, no one expected it to best the well maintained $15,000 U67 or the U87, or the Soyuz SDC's. That is my go to for acoustic guitar now, although sometimes I get lazy and since I have the SA-67 always hooked up. I just use that a lot. You gotta hear it to really know about these mics, but a shootout can occasionally be quite informative. I've been searching for a while to find something that can subjectively beat the ISK 2B (Gen 2) on my voice / guitar. Never really bothered with TLM's but I've had a lot of Neumann's, M149, U87 + AI version, 84's, 56's, U89's, 47 FET and I still have a U67. Had I never discovered the mic I'd still be waxing poetic about the 67 as my "primary" touting the need for something expensive to fill the void. Y'know I'm not really sure why I'm searching for a replacement, it's just a bit odd having a Shelford Channel with a $500.00 mic in front of it I guess? Sort of like having a slot free in a 500 series that triggers a bit of OCD every time you look at it. I don't need another comp to fill the slot, I'll probably hardly use whatever I put in it but I keep looking. It's not like I'm purposely skimping either as I've got quite expensive taste's. Big fan of the Tele ELA M 251 for example.. Edit: There's 8 2B G2's on E-bay right now so no supply chain issues it seems, sweet. |
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Post by keymod on Feb 17, 2022 3:46:27 GMT -6
Didn't Bock do a mic with a rectangular capsule not too long ago?
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Post by nick8801 on Feb 17, 2022 5:14:11 GMT -6
Didn't Bock do a mic with a rectangular capsule not too long ago? The 507 had an elliptical capsule. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Feb 17, 2022 5:32:17 GMT -6
Didn't Bock do a mic with a rectangular capsule not too long ago? Pretty sure Audio Technica has the rectangular capsule. Bock’s was elliptical. |
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