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Post by drbill on Aug 6, 2022 19:45:03 GMT -6
Indeed.
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Post by michaelcleary on Aug 6, 2022 19:47:27 GMT -6
Wha? They are making these by hand and only three people are building them. Nothing mysterious here. Perhaps those same three people are helping to build other mics as well since there is a back log of the most popular models? Do you have any idea how many thousands of mics they build a month? FYI, they are a company that has no debt. m49v.neumann.com/I think what Michael has been trying to explain is this. The 3 people who build these have been building them for a while in order to supply the whole world. This is so that their is at first enough product to fill some orders and keep them truly falling behind. Everyone does this in almost any industry. It’s a typical product introduction. This .^^^^ |
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Post by christophert on Aug 6, 2022 21:01:21 GMT -6
I hope these three people pay attention to the diaphragm QC.
The U67's were a bit all over the place.
I don't have a lot of faith in Sennheiser's QC on these modern "versions" of Neumanns.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 6, 2022 21:11:05 GMT -6
Just Wondering why the delays then? Only so many per month for reasons unexplained. To me that says they either don’t want to take out credit, will fund as time goes along with proceeds of delivered product. Or there’s problems. Or manipulation? Not following too closely though You’re imagining the market is much larger than it is. |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 6, 2022 21:18:17 GMT -6
I hope these three people pay attention to the diaphragm QC. The U67's were a bit all over the place. I don't have a lot of faith in Sennheiser's QC on these modern "versions" of Neumanns. I’m sorry, this is nonsense. Insulting to the people working so hard on this, with reputation in mind. Demanding they chase a fuckin’ unicorn. Those are imaginary, BTW. |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 6, 2022 21:19:31 GMT -6
Love to hear an 864 as the tube….ooops they won’t fit.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 6, 2022 21:20:05 GMT -6
Love to hear a 1609 as the tube….ooops they won’t fit. Damn, rarer than a 701….
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Post by EmRR on Aug 6, 2022 21:20:25 GMT -6
Love to hear an 1620 as the tube….ooops they won’t fit.
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Post by EmRR on Aug 6, 2022 21:20:37 GMT -6
Feeling a trend?
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Post by ericn on Aug 6, 2022 21:23:53 GMT -6
Just Wondering why the delays then? Only so many per month for reasons unexplained. To me that says they either don’t want to take out credit, will fund as time goes along with proceeds of delivered product. Or there’s problems. Or manipulation? Not following too closely though You’re imagining the market is much larger than it is. Most people have no clue to how many boutique audio companies produce so few pieces. They have no concept of the fact that most of the production cost is labor. They then can’t fathom that some pay more than Walmart so that they can retain skilled trained. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 6, 2022 21:25:39 GMT -6
I would say nuvistor but they were late to the game and while not ac701 rare they are not 12ax7s! |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 6, 2022 21:27:08 GMT -6
Love to hear any and all of the several thousand sub-mini’s that were never tried, MY GOD ONE MIGHT BE BETTER? Poor old Neumann was never smart enough to find something better than the AC701K back in the ‘50’s, before education. They were still confused post-nazism. ALSO NONSENSE. Golden Calves and shit. I mean, we’re used to’em, we want’em, right?
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Post by EmRR on Aug 6, 2022 21:30:45 GMT -6
Find a good thousand of any tube, as a manufacturer. Go on in 2022, dare ya.
OK, find 100. Make it a desirable tube, for a vintage piece. Dare ya. Keep a fat wallet on hand and plan to buy twice as many as you think you need. Let’s see what you got.
damn I just dropped my c-hair splitters down a drain….
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Post by EmRR on Aug 6, 2022 21:45:27 GMT -6
You’re imagining the market is much larger than it is. Most people have no clue to how many boutique audio companies produce so few pieces. They have no concept of the fact that most of the production cost is labor. They then can’t fathom that some pay more than Walmart so that they can retain skilled trained. God Eric, who wants to pay for labor!?!? Robots make shit for free already. Heaven help you imagining recouping R&D on a specialty piece. I wish they would just give up, why try in the face of this? What a burden, to be a company still around decades after your oldest products are still in use and have become legendary. Everyone involved dead for decades, technology moved on logarithmically in scale. They shoulda pulled a Western Electric / Bell System / Lucent / etc regular rebrand so we couldn’t blame them for their successes. |
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Post by ericn on Aug 6, 2022 21:48:39 GMT -6
Find a good thousand of any tube, as a manufacturer. Go on in 2022, dare ya. OK, find 100. Make it a desirable tube, for a vintage piece. Dare ya. Keep a fat wallet on hand and plan to buy twice as many as you think you need. Let’s see what you got. damn I just dropped my c-hair splitters down a drain…. Not tubes but there is a story in the audiophile world about a speaker builder who bought a huge amount of certain woofer that had about a 25% reject rate and would re sell the ones that didn’t meet his specs. They never tracked serial # of their rejects, so. The purchasing guy kept finding “deals “ on quantities of their favorite driver, but the reject rate was about 99%. Took a couple of these bulk purchases to figure out they were buying their own rejects from third parties. |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 6, 2022 21:52:35 GMT -6
Find a good thousand of any tube, as a manufacturer. Go on in 2022, dare ya. OK, find 100. Make it a desirable tube, for a vintage piece. Dare ya. Keep a fat wallet on hand and plan to buy twice as many as you think you need. Let’s see what you got. damn I just dropped my c-hair splitters down a drain…. Not tubes but there is a story in the audiophile world about a speaker builder who bought a huge amount of certain woofer that had about a 25% reject rate and would re sell the ones that didn’t meet his specs. They never tracked serial # of their rejects, so. The purchasing guy kept finding “deals “ on quantities of their favorite driver, but the reject rate was about 99%. Took a couple of these bulk purchases to figure out they were buying their own rejects from third parties. So great |
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Post by ericn on Aug 6, 2022 21:52:41 GMT -6
Most people have no clue to how many boutique audio companies produce so few pieces. They have no concept of the fact that most of the production cost is labor. They then can’t fathom that some pay more than Walmart so that they can retain skilled trained. God Eric, who wants to pay for labor!?!? Robots make shit for free already. Heaven help you imagining recouping R&D on a specialty piece. I wish they would just give up, why try in the face of this? I was in Fond Du lac WI for a number of years, home of Giddings and Lewis the company that built the automated lines for all the auto makers. Given the time and up front costs you better be damn sure of your design before any big robotics investment. Over time, cheap but up front your betting the farm. |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 6, 2022 22:05:08 GMT -6
If you had a DECCA FET conversion M49, what would you do? The investor keeps it DECCA original. They have their reputation. Would you own it and hate it? Talk shit about it behind it’s back? Go on too long at parties about those assholes at DECCA? Oh, we did talk about this, just a year ago realgearonline.com/thread/13058/sony-using-xlr-m49s-microphones?page=2 |
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Post by christopher on Aug 6, 2022 22:19:24 GMT -6
If it’s handbuilt by their very few expert in-house guys, then heck yeah, great! That’s exactly the kind of thing they should be doing. And really it would be a blessing if they chose an affordable tube that is in production and found a way to make it work something like the originals. Because really the vintage stuff is getting so rare you can’t risk them on sessions. I’ve read of guys who weren’t using u47’s back when they were $3k because they were already overvalued ‘collector’ status, too fragile for use, lol. Now some local studios here won’t bring out any vintage mics unless you prove yourself first, yet they’ll still charge you same top dollar. It’s understandable. Chris Cornell supposedly blew out 4 x u87 capsules on the Superunknown album! That always crosses my mind when I see the vintage prices
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Post by christophert on Aug 7, 2022 4:03:56 GMT -6
I hope these three people pay attention to the diaphragm QC. The U67's were a bit all over the place. I don't have a lot of faith in Sennheiser's QC on these modern "versions" of Neumanns. I’m sorry, this is nonsense. Insulting to the people working so hard on this, with reputation in mind. Demanding they chase a fuckin’ unicorn. Those are imaginary, BTW. Not according to Klaus - capsules vary.
I had my 67 capsule tended to. No unicorns at all. Who has a the good imagination here?
Chill.
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Post by Chad on Aug 7, 2022 6:42:13 GMT -6
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Post by ab101 on Aug 7, 2022 7:23:04 GMT -6
This is interesting. One would think that Neumann would have a special U67 that they matched the responses with as part of the QC or perhaps some other method. I did receive two U67 reissues in November 2021 - 10 months ago. I wonder if they fixed this issue in 2021 because they seem well matched - I will test them again to be sure. Hopefully, they upped the QC on the 67 reissue and whatever they learned there has been applied to the M49V. It would also be nice if Neumann itself had someone who responded to issues on forums. |
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Post by phil on Aug 7, 2022 7:53:03 GMT -6
I already heard this story about those three people when they announced the u67 Reissue. Hey Neumann, your marketing department has already used this move!!  |
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Post by EmRR on Aug 7, 2022 9:20:21 GMT -6
I’m sorry, this is nonsense. Insulting to the people working so hard on this, with reputation in mind. Demanding they chase a fuckin’ unicorn. Those are imaginary, BTW. Not according to Klaus - capsules vary.
I had my 67 capsule tended to. No unicorns at all. Who has a the good imagination here?
Chill.
Yeah, I’ve read all that. They DO pay attention to the QC! They make them to the standard they think is acceptable. The QC is surely tighter than it was 60 years ago How many old duds have long since gone to the landfill? Many! We don’t talk about those! They may pay more attention to it as the custom shop develops, they may do it now where they didn’t 5 years ago. This is certainly the most ‘custom shop’ they’ve done. I was just reading about U47’s with ck12’s in them, done by Euro broadcasting. Kinda better in some ways was the modern opinion, certainly not worse. |
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Post by olionajudah on Aug 7, 2022 9:48:47 GMT -6
The DR Nailed it. What will be interesting to see is what used Flea 49’s are going for and if the next Reissue is an M50! I think the only Neumann reissue that would raise my eyebrows would be a KM-84. -09 You know I've long wondered why they haven't done this already. Seem to me like the easiest of all the mics to reissue, considering they never stopped making the kk84s (and 83s as far as I'm aware). Last I checked you can still order a new pair today. B&H have a listing for the 84s. They had the 83s list as well pre-covid, though I haven't seen them recently. IIRC they started limiting some part sales to authorized service shops to prevent poaching or building tribute mics with real parts, but you can still get them. Given the price 84s are fetching today, this would not surprise me in the least, though I'd have thought it an easier ask than the 49. Maybe they don't want to be in direct competition with themselves ? (184) .. but if they do reissue an 84, no reason not to do KM86s as well! |
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