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Post by the other mark williams on Aug 13, 2021 22:26:25 GMT -6
Sorry for a little sidetrack here, but how in the HELL is shipping only $250 for those?? I would think insurance alone would be over $500. EDIT: And if you're east of the Mississippi, I would think a drive to Hanover, MA would be in order in lieu of having Pro Audio Design hand these over to UPEx.
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Post by 2busdriver on Aug 13, 2021 22:31:51 GMT -6
I'd fly Klaus out there, to be honest, just to skip ahead a couple step. Probably a dream really
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Post by Hudsonic on Aug 25, 2021 15:18:34 GMT -6
Decca fet mods made the M50 and M49 more quiet by lowering the noise floor of the mic. There was some diminishing of the thick sound of the M50 with the fet mod but not enough change to warrant a list of long complaints. I did not notice any big change in M49 sound with the fet mod. The fact is that Decca relied on what we all rely on for the distinctive sound of those mics--the sound of the capsule.
Purists and M50 super devotées poo poo the fet mod and it is true that there is some tube goodness missing. However, 85-90% of the coveted sound is still present.
Decca made the most of it with their fantastic recordings from the late 50's onward.
All Decca M50 mics were modified to use the aluminum capsule. Some M50's Decca obtained through Teldec in the 1970's had gold mylar capsules. These were switched to aluminum from the large stash at Decca London headquarters.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 26, 2021 2:08:54 GMT -6
Grasshopper here asks how suited (generally) are the FLEA 49's, for these kinds of applications? Thanks, Chris
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Post by trubshaw on Sept 12, 2022 0:35:26 GMT -6
Last year I bought a Decca m49 FET from producer Calum Malcolm. He had bought 2 from Mark Knopfler's British Grove Studio in the early 2000s. He was recording a jazz album there. He tried normal valve and Decca 49s on the vocalist and preferred the sound of the Decca ones. So he bought 2. British Grove was I think maintained by ex Decca guys. When I bought mine I asked Mick Hinton of DAV to service it. He had been at Decca before starting DAV. He replaced a couple of capacitors and cleaned the capsule but otherwise said it was in great condition. He said at Decca they were used for classical music. Mine sounds wonderful - I use it all the time.
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Post by nomatic on Sept 12, 2022 4:59:30 GMT -6
How cool is this!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 12, 2022 8:35:28 GMT -6
Sweet mic trubshaw! Welcome to the forum.
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Post by thehightenor on Sept 12, 2022 14:41:00 GMT -6
Hi! In this clip, the Sony guys are using two m49 type microphones, but they both feature XLR connections. Any idea of what these microphones might be? Anyone recognise them? They kind of look a bit too worn to be clones, but at the same time, I cannot think of any other alternative. Also, pay no regard to the absolutely ridiculous mic porn in the very beginning of this video. Why does the male singer keep putting his right arm up and his hand near his ear, but not touching his ear?
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Post by sirthought on Sept 12, 2022 16:15:46 GMT -6
Hi! In this clip, the Sony guys are using two m49 type microphones, but they both feature XLR connections. Any idea of what these microphones might be? Anyone recognise them? They kind of look a bit too worn to be clones, but at the same time, I cannot think of any other alternative. Also, pay no regard to the absolutely ridiculous mic porn in the very beginning of this video. Why does the male singer keep putting his right arm up and his hand near his ear, but not touching his ear? It's a way of getting audio bone conduction. You press right in front of the ear hole.
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Post by aremos on Sept 12, 2022 17:16:26 GMT -6
Hi! In this clip, the Sony guys are using two m49 type microphones, but they both feature XLR connections. Any idea of what these microphones might be? Anyone recognise them? They kind of look a bit too worn to be clones, but at the same time, I cannot think of any other alternative. Also, pay no regard to the absolutely ridiculous mic porn in the very beginning of this video. Why does the male singer keep putting his right arm up and his hand near his ear, but not touching his ear? Jonas Kaufmann, to me the greatest tenor ever, only does this in the studio (when recording) & never when performing. Guess he wants to make sure he can hear himself better & it's usually not comfortable to use IEM's or monitors (which aren't being used or provided anyway) with classical singing technique plus he's surrounded by a large orchestra.
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Post by chessparov on Sept 13, 2022 0:26:47 GMT -6
Nope. He just had to take that call! (Otherwise it would be a Ring Cycle from that guy Robert Wagner) Chris
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Post by crillemannen on Sept 13, 2022 4:50:04 GMT -6
Why does the male singer keep putting his right arm up and his hand near his ear, but not touching his ear? Jonas Kaufmann, to me the greatest tenor ever, only does this in the studio (when recording) & never when performing. Guess he wants to make sure he can hear himself better & it's usually not comfortable to use IEM's or monitors (which aren't being used or provided anyway) with classical singing technique plus he's surrounded by a large orchestra. To Me he embody the decay of opera singing with his fake unatural squeezed voice. Terrible! When I was younger I studied classical singing and never got into it but then I found a YT channel a couple of years ago who highlighted what they thought was great singers from the past and then it all fell into place. Modern singing since say mid 90s is terrible and most tenors can't even sing over a Steinway D without artificiell amplification. Listen to Correlli, even Pavarotti in his younger years and tell me that isn't the pinnacle of singing?
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 13, 2022 9:07:40 GMT -6
Hi! In this clip, the Sony guys are using two m49 type microphones, but they both feature XLR connections. Any idea of what these microphones might be? Anyone recognise them? They kind of look a bit too worn to be clones, but at the same time, I cannot think of any other alternative. Also, pay no regard to the absolutely ridiculous mic porn in the very beginning of this video. Why does the male singer keep putting his right arm up and his hand near his ear, but not touching his ear? It is so he can hear himself over the orchestra and not push. When you are on a stage there is more separation between you and the orchestra and you get kick back from the hall. In the middle of the orchestra like that it can be hard to hear yourself. I do this a lot myself.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 13, 2022 9:12:29 GMT -6
I have the Soyuz 0-19 FET, (same as 0-17 FET). It's exactly the same as their 0-17, but no tube. The 0-17 is a world class mic, it stands toe to toe with the classics. The 0-19 FET is almost the same sound, just a bit more plain. I would absolutely prefer the 0-17 tube for main vocals, but on certain things, like an acoustic guitar, I prefer the FET.
I can understand why Decca might have wanted to mod their mics, FET is quicker and easier since you don't need to fuss with yet another power supply.
In a perfect world, I'd have both, the FET version and the tube version.
The Neumann capsule and transformer are hard to beat. AMI transformers are fantastic, but I don't feel that even the best capsule makers have equaled the Neumann yet. I could be wrong though, since I haven't heard them all.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 13, 2022 9:17:06 GMT -6
Jonas Kaufmann, to me the greatest tenor ever, only does this in the studio (when recording) & never when performing. Guess he wants to make sure he can hear himself better & it's usually not comfortable to use IEM's or monitors (which aren't being used or provided anyway) with classical singing technique plus he's surrounded by a large orchestra. To Me he embody the decay of opera singing with his fake unatural squeezed voice. Terrible! When I was younger I studied classical singing and never got into it but then I found a YT channel a couple of years ago who highlighted what they thought was great singers from the past and then it all fell into place. Modern singing since say mid 90s is terrible and most tenors can't even sing over a Steinway D without artificiell amplification. Listen to Correlli, even Pavarotti in his younger years and tell me that isn't the pinnacle of singing? Kaufmann's voice is huge. I've been in the room with him. That said, his is a distinctly German style which has crept into a lot of modern teaching, and the Italian style as well. There is a distinct lack of brightness and forward focus in this technique. It's all open throat, but man does it reach exciting heights. Corelli was a beast! He has the most amazing top notes I've ever heard. His middle voice can be a touch muddy, but who cares. Pavarotti is the definition of the modern lyric tenor. Just an amazing talent. I'm partial to Mario Lanza myself. His was a tremendously big voice of the old school Italian technique. It sounds natural and not over darkened. It's a shame Lanza fell victim to his own demons and never went back to opera.
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Post by aremos on Sept 13, 2022 9:58:01 GMT -6
Jonas Kaufmann, to me the greatest tenor ever, only does this in the studio (when recording) & never when performing. Guess he wants to make sure he can hear himself better & it's usually not comfortable to use IEM's or monitors (which aren't being used or provided anyway) with classical singing technique plus he's surrounded by a large orchestra. To Me he embody the decay of opera singing with his fake unatural squeezed voice. Terrible! When I was younger I studied classical singing and never got into it but then I found a YT channel a couple of years ago who highlighted what they thought was great singers from the past and then it all fell into place. Modern singing since say mid 90s is terrible and most tenors can't even sing over a Steinway D without artificiell amplification. Listen to Correlli, even Pavarotti in his younger years and tell me that isn't the pinnacle of singing? I'll try to be as correct as I can. All arts are subjective - & to the beholder.
But it's very obvious you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You learned how to discern & listen from a YouTube channel? "Fake & 'unatural' squeezed voice" This is a Dramatic Tenor who's timbre is something of a "baritenor" & has a range that can go down to a low F and can easily go up to a high C - & doing it pianissimo to forte! Franco Corelli, one of my favorites, started out with one of the thinnest voices, & a strange vibrato that sounded like a tremolo, until he changed completely with Arturo Melocchi & then was able to do his infamous end of "Celeste Aïda". Pavarotti, who I personally knew & shared times with, had a natural Lyric Tenor voice but never had the lows & fullness of Kaufmann. Placido Domingo gets very close to that - & who now can sing as a full baritone. Kaufmann needs NO amplification & can easily sing over a "Steinway D". Has had a very natural voice since the beginning of his career.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 13, 2022 10:42:55 GMT -6
I'm not going to take specific sides here. I really enjoy Jonas Kaufmann and have seen him at the Met. Lauritz Melchior is the German tenor to compare all to. There are specific differences between the old school singers and the more modern singers. Even those of the same voice type like these two. Here are two videos that show this pretty dramatically on the same Aria. Although, you need to take into consideration that Lauritz Melchior is older and at the end of his career and Jonas Kaufmann is younger and at the start of his, the recording technology is different, the older recording is in mono, etc. You can really see what they are doing here. Lauritz Melchior was THE heldentenor of his day. Jonas Kaufmann is THE heldentenor of today.
There is a specific difference between their techniques. Lauritz Melchior keeps his sound forward utilizing a horizontal oval shape of his mouth. It's almost a smile particularly on his "eh" and "ee" vowels. This allows for more clarity of diction. He also doesn't modify his vowels. A ia ah, E is eh, I is ee, etc. And his larynx is beautifully relaxed and open.
Jonas Kaufmann utilizes a vertical oval shape with his mouth to keep the larynx down and open. It looses some brightness and clarity, but adds warmth. He then substitutes ooh and awe on almost all of his top notes for a bigger sound on those top notes.
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Post by crillemannen on Sept 13, 2022 10:56:55 GMT -6
To Me he embody the decay of opera singing with his fake unatural squeezed voice. Terrible! When I was younger I studied classical singing and never got into it but then I found a YT channel a couple of years ago who highlighted what they thought was great singers from the past and then it all fell into place. Modern singing since say mid 90s is terrible and most tenors can't even sing over a Steinway D without artificiell amplification. Listen to Correlli, even Pavarotti in his younger years and tell me that isn't the pinnacle of singing? I'll try to be as correct as I can. All arts are subjective - & to the beholder.
But it's very obvious you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You learned how to discern & listen from a YouTube channel? "Fake & 'unatural' squeezed voice" This is a Dramatic Tenor who's timbre is something of a "baritenor" & has a range that can go down to a low F and can easily go up to a high C - & doing it pianissimo to forte! Franco Corelli, one of my favorites, started out with one of the thinnest voices, & a strange vibrato that sounded like a tremolo, until he changed completely with Arturo Melocchi & then was able to do his infamous end of "Celeste Aïda". Pavarotti, who I personally knew & shared times with, had a natural Lyric Tenor voice but never had the lows & fullness of Kaufmann. Placido Domingo gets very close to that - & who now can sing as a full baritone. Kaufmann needs NO amplification & can easily sing over a "Steinway D". Has had a very natural voice since the beginning of his career.
I discovered quite a few singers known and fairly unknown from s certain channel and made me appreciate classical singing more. That was what I meant to say. It's ok that you like Kaufmann. I do think he sings with a fake technique where he tries to darken the voice more then necessary which makes it wooly and congested. He obviously has talent no question. I understand that singing and art is subjective but it has clearly gotten objectively worse since the golden Days. Let's try to be civil, it's ok to disagree (y)
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Post by crillemannen on Sept 13, 2022 11:02:44 GMT -6
I'm not going to take specific sides here. I really enjoy Jonas Kaufmann and have seen him at the Met. Lauritz Melchior is the German tenor to compare all to. There are specific differences between the old school singers and the more modern singers. Even those of the same voice type like these two. Here are two videos that show this pretty dramatically on the same Aria. Although, you need to take into consideration that Lauritz Melchior is older and at the end of his career and Jonas Kaufmann is younger and at the start of his, the recording technology is different, the older recording is in mono, etc. You can really see what they are doing here. Lauritz Melchior was THE heldentenor of his day. Jonas Kaufmann is THE heldentenor of today. There is a specific difference between their techniques. Lauritz Melchior keeps his sound forward utilizing a horizontal oval shape of his mouth. It's almost a smile particularly on his "eh" and "ee" vowels. This allows for more clarity of diction. He also doesn't modify his vowels. A ia ah, E is eh, I is ee, etc. And his larynx is beautifully relaxed and open. Jonas Kaufmann utilizes a vertical oval shape with his mouth to keep the larynx down and open. It looses some brightness and clarity, but adds warmth. He then substitutes ooh and awe on almost all of his top notes for a bigger sound on those top notes. I always strived to sing with my natural voice and you here it all the time when people put up an act to alter their voice. Opera is ofc not Natural but there is a clear distinction between old and new style of classical singers. Where the old from the golden Days embraced their natural voice and perfected the amplification through perfect technique. Honestly I don't care to much about classical music but I do enjoy it from time to time. Even old Melchior sounds so much better then Kaufmann. He sounds natural Kaufmann sounds fake. I hear it very clear. Sounds like Kermit the frog with that yawn placement of the voice. Sorry 🙈
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 13, 2022 11:13:23 GMT -6
crillemannen I get it. I trained and sing in the old style. The preference today in much of the opera world, especially here in the US, is this darker sound unless you specifically specialize in bel canto.
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Post by aremos on Sept 13, 2022 11:43:54 GMT -6
I don't understand why you're using the term "darker". As a very dramatic tenor that is his natural vocal timbre. "Bel Canto", denotatively, means beautiful singing but the "Italian method" of bel canto is "Una Voce" - one consistent, continuos sound (timbre) from lows to highs. And kaufmann does exhibit this.
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Post by crillemannen on Sept 13, 2022 12:02:45 GMT -6
I don't understand why you're using the term "darker". As a very dramatic tenor that is his natural vocal timbre. "Bel Canto", denotatively, means beautiful singing but the "Italian method" of bel canto is "Una Voce" - one consistent, continuos sound (timbre) from lows to highs. And kaufmann does exhibit this. I disagree that it's his natural timbre when I clearly hear that it's not. That's why I mean he is singing with a fake voice. He is manipulating his voice to sound darker and fuller then what it Natural is. Despite timbre it should be clear not sounding like your choking.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 13, 2022 12:06:03 GMT -6
I don't understand why you're using the term "darker". As a very dramatic tenor that is his natural vocal timbre. "Bel Canto", denotatively, means beautiful singing but the "Italian method" of bel canto is "Una Voce" - one consistent, continuos sound (timbre) from lows to highs. And kaufmann does exhibit this. Bel Canto is also the term used to describe a specific period of composers; Bellini, Donizetti, Rossini, etc. So when I say specializing in Bel Canto, I'm referring to artists who have made a specialty of this period of work. As for using the term darker, that's simply to describe a heavier sound. Yes, a more baritonal sound will be a heavier sound. Please take a look at my post comparing his technique to Lauritz Melchior. You should be able to hear the difference. Lauritz is the heldentenor by which all are compared. His voice is equally as dramatic and baritonal, but because of the difference in their approaches with placement the sound a bit different. This was really just to comment and show the more old school forward approach and the new school open throat and how they compare sonically. If it helps I can even demonstrate the differences.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 13, 2022 12:11:51 GMT -6
Here is a quick demonstration of the (2) different techniques. The first is the more modern technique which Jonas Kaufmann is a master. The second is the more old school you would hear Mario Lanza or Beniamino Gigli use. Remember, I'm a lyric tenor, not a dramatic tenor. I just recorded this quickly in my warehouse. My phone is approx. 10ft away. Nessun Dorma New vs Old.m4a (368.47 KB)
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Post by aremos on Sept 13, 2022 12:15:13 GMT -6
I don't understand why you're using the term "darker". As a very dramatic tenor that is his natural vocal timbre. "Bel Canto", denotatively, means beautiful singing but the "Italian method" of bel canto is "Una Voce" - one consistent, continuos sound (timbre) from lows to highs. And kaufmann does exhibit this. I disagree that it's his natural timbre when I clearly hear that it's not. That's why I mean he is singing with a fake voice. He is manipulating his voice to sound darker and fuller then what it Natural is. Despite timbre it should be clear not sounding like your choking. Wow! "fake voice", "manipulating", "choking" ...
doesn't even deserve a comment.
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