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Post by stratboy on Sept 10, 2021 21:22:08 GMT -6
I like the UAD universe in part because I got tired of chasing tone in plug-in after plug-in. There is SO much stuff out there, you could spend all your time finding, researching, buying, learning, using dozens of takes on the essential tools: verbs, comps, EQs, etc.
And I was.
How many of you have folders full of plugins you don’t use, and the one or two that you do?
How much money and time did you spend getting to the point where you confidently recommend this verb or that comp in a thread?
How many others of that type are sitting unused in your folder?
At some point, I just decided to simplify my life, stop looking for the best 1176 ever, and try to get the best sound I could out of the UAD version. For better or worse, it took a load off and I work faster now.
Whew!😊
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Post by skav on Sept 11, 2021 5:30:15 GMT -6
stratboy, I wholly share your thoughts on tool and plugin chasing and would not mind UAD being a cure to that.
I like how quick the plugins feel, but one negative I discovered right away is that mixdown seems to have gotten atleast twice as slow than it used to be. I assume the UAD plugins are more taxing, Even though my CPU dont neccessary feel it while mixing.
Thoughts?
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 11, 2021 5:36:31 GMT -6
UA draws no computer cpu, runs only on its own dsp, so if your computer is taking longer something seems out of whack?
Perhaps, you are using UA plugs with significant upsampling?
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Post by skav on Sept 11, 2021 10:30:38 GMT -6
UA draws no computer cpu, runs only on its own dsp, so if your computer is taking longer something seems out of whack? Perhaps, you are using UA plugs with significant upsampling? Yes most of or all of them is |
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 11, 2021 10:41:42 GMT -6
So they take longer to process snd if you are bouncing your track. UA quality can come with a certain processing time price.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2021 11:10:53 GMT -6
stratboy, I wholly share your thoughts on tool and plugin chasing and would not mind UAD being a cure to that. I like how quick the plugins feel, but one negative I discovered right away is that mixdown seems to have gotten atleast twice as slow than it used to be. I assume the UAD plugins are more taxing, Even though my CPU dont neccessary feel it while mixing. Thoughts? That’s every good plug. Stack MDWEW, Oxford Dynamics, Weiss, and TDR and your faders will be noticeably behind! If non linear plugs do not upsample with linear phase low pass filters, you’re mostly in for hell unless it’s a reverb or tape or something that scrambles the phase totally anyway like Presswerk’s DPR button. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 11, 2021 16:11:51 GMT -6
I would too if I still had my 2012 mac mini.  Ok, shoot a little video. I will gladly admit I’m wrong if you’re running 100 tracks with native plugs and vst’s on the large majority of them. Hey - great for you if you can - I just find it extremely hard to believe you can do that EVEN with a new M1. |
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Post by skav on Sept 12, 2021 3:30:30 GMT -6
JohnKenn, I'm not sure what the specs are of your average studio computers, but me and my late 2019 Intel core i9 9900k cpu with 32 GB ram appreciates the offload.
Even though I am often far from 100% with my current home studio use, it becomes noticeably more sluggish long before hitting its limit, and that's not fun.
I approach this with purely sonics in mind, now the cpu offload is a big big plus to me.
Noe that I think about it, i know I have consiously and unconsciously made moves solely to conserve resources.
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Post by drumrec on Sept 12, 2021 4:09:40 GMT -6
YOUR opinion on why it's a good OR a bad idea to get into the UAD plugin ecosystem in 2021? Ja? Nei? Please share your thoughts! I have been thinking about it, but am very hesitant as I think I have what I need already, but at the same time curious. I have never tried the products myself. If I were to start from square one today, maybe I would think twice depending on how you work. I have used UAD from the first day they came out with their uad-1 card many years ago. I think my ears have gotten used to UA plugs, as well as some HW gears. So I may not be so objective. Further back in time, they stood out more with their quality. Today there has been so much that is in the same league, even that they port the native 3 party plugs to their cards (softube, Antares etc). But what makes me have invested a lot and will continue to invest in UA is that they think so innovatively. Take only LUNA. Then it is a big plus if you want to record with plugs. There, I think UA dsp is a big part of the point. If UA is something for you, I think it depends a bit on how you work. If you are going to record a lot live, it is a big point to get on the UA train. Should you sit and produce mostly in some DAW, I might look at other solutions today that are cheaper and at least as good (Plugin Alliance for example). Sorry for the long post KR H |
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Post by tasteliketape on Sept 12, 2021 9:40:47 GMT -6
Thinking of getting an Apollo twin quad . Is the quad enough DSP to theoretically mix a 16-24 track session in Luna.I know it will depend on what plugins are used but in general , in other words will I most likely need a satellite also ?
Sorry for slightly off topic
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Post by sirthought on Sept 12, 2021 10:24:19 GMT -6
Thinking of getting an Apollo twin quad . Is the quad enough DSP to theoretically mix a 16-24 track session in Luna.I know it will depend on what plugins are used but in general , in other words will I most likely need a satellite also ? Sorry for slightly off topic You answered yourself. It depends on what's in use. I've gotten by with a Quad for mixes larger than that, but I've also hit walls. They do have plenty of quality plugins that don't eat up as much DSP, but a few of them you're just not going to get away with slapping on every track and only a Quad. I've got 18 chips and I've pushed the limits once. I've heard Vance Powel say (in a non-UAD video) that he still loves to use the lighter 1073 SE EQs, because even thought they are not as close of a replication as the main plugin, they still give a quality the hardware 1073 gives and he doesn't worry about DSP as much for larger mixes. I see Fab Dupont using the lighter Pultec Pro plugin all the time, even though he obviously could use the heavier one. These guys have every resource available to them and they still work with processing economy. I think UAD adding two more chips with the rack units was a big deal, especially for tracking. That's why I bought the x6 and not the Twin Quad. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 12, 2021 14:30:07 GMT -6
The twin quad will get the job done to a point and then not.
I think you’ll be buying an satellite quad or octo very soon.
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Post by skav on Sept 12, 2021 17:27:19 GMT -6
After three nights of demoing UAD plugins on my Octo i think: 1. Biggest positive suprise is I LOVE that my Octo Core off-loads my cpu. I did not understand how much of a positive difference it would make to me. I had my computer built for recording in 2019 with a Intel i9 9900K processor and 64 gb ram. Working with audio however can make you feel it working after a bit. 2. The plugins I like does sound 'right' to me. Pleasing and in a way that I'm not bothered to think about it and doubt. Have also found several that I don't like or do not understand , as should be expected I guess. 3. Software and web experience have been good. No hickups really and everything feels and looks good. I like that. Let's hope this quiet the mind.  |
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 12, 2021 17:35:08 GMT -6
Ohmmmmmmm:)
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 13, 2021 13:54:32 GMT -6
stratboy, I wholly share your thoughts on tool and plugin chasing and would not mind UAD being a cure to that. I like how quick the plugins feel, but one negative I discovered right away is that mixdown seems to have gotten atleast twice as slow than it used to be. I assume the UAD plugins are more taxing, Even though my CPU dont neccessary feel it while mixing. Thoughts? Yup. I have complained about this before. A single UAD plugin on a mix takes it from 20x render speed to 1.5x. something about having to render while communicating with SHARCs or something I would guess. It's annoying. Other native plugs that are oversampled don't do this |
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Sept 14, 2021 3:24:33 GMT -6
I would too if I still had my 2012 mac mini. Ok, shoot a little video. I will gladly admit I’m wrong if you’re running 100 tracks with native plugs and vst’s on the large majority of them. Hey - great for you if you can - I just find it extremely hard to believe you can do that EVEN with a new M1. Will do. I am on a PC now. I don't think you will get that performance unless you are running RME or another interface with high performance drivers...UA is not one of them, which is fine, as it doesn't position its self as one. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 14, 2021 11:16:34 GMT -6
Ok, shoot a little video. I will gladly admit I’m wrong if you’re running 100 tracks with native plugs and vst’s on the large majority of them. Hey - great for you if you can - I just find it extremely hard to believe you can do that EVEN with a new M1. Will do. I am on a PC now. I don't think you will get that performance unless you are running RME or another interface with high performance drivers...UA is not one of them, which is fine, as it doesn't position its self as one. Not trying to be a dick - I just want to know if that’s truly the case…if so, I need to get to the store. |
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Post by skav on Sept 16, 2021 17:20:15 GMT -6
Poll locked at approximately 60% for 40% against
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Sept 16, 2021 17:32:32 GMT -6
Within the little week I've been playing around with the uad plugs, I have experienced the 'No device found' twice. The second time I had to uninstall, then reinstall the software to get it working again. Thoughts on this phenonenom? I have a pcie card. Pop over to the UAD forum. Those guys are pretty helpful. I have to say the Apollo connectivity was rock solid on both Mac and PC for me. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Sept 16, 2021 17:58:07 GMT -6
Within the little week I've been playing around with the uad plugs, I have experienced the 'No device found' twice. The second time I had to uninstall, then reinstall the software to get it working again. Thoughts on this phenonenom? I have a pcie card. Never had to uninstall or reinstall but when I had PCIe cards this happened. I had to restart. Sometimes a cold boot. Once I had to reseat a card I think. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 16, 2021 19:03:19 GMT -6
With pci-e cards reseating or putting it in another slot normally does the trick.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 15:52:41 GMT -6
YOUR opinion on why it's a good OR a bad idea to get into the UAD plugin ecosystem in 2021? Ja? Nei? Please share your thoughts! I have been thinking about it, but am very hesitant as I think I have what I need already, but at the same time curious. I have never tried the products myself. Hi skav, Happy to answer any specific questions you might have. Quote this post with them. I've got a quick one.. I bought UAD to get away from the multi-authorisation pain so why do you need Ilok for Luna when you have a UA interface (which essentially does the same thing)?! Rather avoid Ilok and use Logic. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 14, 2021 16:12:01 GMT -6
Luna is starting to flirt with going native so it’s Inbetween the sharc dsp and your computer.
Drew will give a better explanation.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 14, 2021 16:14:53 GMT -6
If you have an Apollo, I’d suggest you start playing with Luna, as you might really like some of its features and, excuse the pun ‘, the summing plug ins: neve, API.
Interesting speculation about what might be next: Ssl ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2021 17:04:22 GMT -6
Luna is starting to flirt with going native so it’s Inbetween the sharc dsp and your computer. Drew will give a better explanation. Sure, but why can't they use the UA plugin auth system for existing users? Can't stand Ilok.. |
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