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Post by soundintheround on Nov 18, 2020 19:53:43 GMT -6
I’m routing for this! ....but this test is just saying it’s maybe a little better than a 2010 1st gen Mac Pro. I would think they would want to at least test it against a MacPro trashcan? Also why is protoolsexpert.com not testing it in .... well protools?
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 18, 2020 19:55:56 GMT -6
There Are more current macs than that, anyway Russ is doing a bunch of different tests, so interesting to see.
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Post by mdmitch2 on Nov 18, 2020 19:56:22 GMT -6
I'm going to order a mini to replace my 2012 workshop computer.... I only need it for very basic audio functions, and from what I can tell it should be able to handle that. We'll see!!
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Post by soundintheround on Nov 18, 2020 19:59:33 GMT -6
There Are more current macs than that, anyway Russ is doing a bunch of different tests, so interesting to see. Tbh whatever they come up with I just hope it is easily upgradable and it stays as the defacto audio production computer for many years. Changing the OSX every year and forcing companies to get their software to work on all these laptops, iMacs, iPads whatever it may be... kills us in terms of stability/useability. If plug-in/daw companies only had to make it work really good on a single setup that lasted 7-10 years... then we’d all be much happier I think.
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Post by ericn on Nov 18, 2020 21:20:17 GMT -6
I'm going to order a mini to replace my 2012 workshop computer.... I only need it for very basic audio functions, and from what I can tell it should be able to handle that. We'll see!! Okay you just reminded me what scares non audio ERIC, I am so spoiled by boot camp! You have no idea how many audio and non audio apps are windows only.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 19, 2020 2:26:14 GMT -6
One implication of silicon is that Apple in future does/needs fewer OS Updates ?
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Post by ericn on Nov 19, 2020 10:31:06 GMT -6
One implication of silicon is that Apple in future does/needs fewer OS Updates ? Depends on their chip development, it could be interesting because of ARM’s new owners and Apple being Apple. Throw in the fact that this is going to push AMD and Intel, well who knows.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 19, 2020 10:37:16 GMT -6
True, but I’ll be buying a new Mac eventually, so ARM’s the thing.
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Post by soundintheround on Nov 19, 2020 14:09:42 GMT -6
One implication of silicon is that Apple in future does/needs fewer OS Updates ? Depends on their chip development, it could be interesting because of ARM’s new owners and Apple being Apple. Throw in the fact that this is going to push AMD and Intel, well who knows. I’m sure someone out there will want simultaneous Animoji face-time streaming on their MacBook, iPhone and iPad...requiring an OS update ...and making our DAWs inoperable.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 19, 2020 14:26:06 GMT -6
I just want to record and mix audio: am I an ARM Luddite ?
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 19, 2020 17:18:25 GMT -6
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 19, 2020 20:12:08 GMT -6
I've heard a few other people say similar things over the past 2-3 days in the film/video world. Including one who was directly comparing his $15k 1yr old Mac Pro with 192GB of RAM to the base model M1 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM. His Mac Pro can't edit 8k video from the Canon R5 without dropping frames. His new M1 Macbook Air can.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 19, 2020 20:52:46 GMT -6
Early days still, but can anyone say paradigm shift ? I have 3rd party vi: just a few and record in logic: a 16 gig new mini is well under $1500 cdn all in with 512 hard drive: pretty attractive.
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Post by wiz on Nov 20, 2020 0:03:30 GMT -6
I am hopeful
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 22, 2020 13:37:32 GMT -6
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Post by phantom on Nov 22, 2020 17:19:12 GMT -6
I've heard a few other people say similar things over the past 2-3 days in the film/video world. Including one who was directly comparing his $15k 1yr old Mac Pro with 192GB of RAM to the base model M1 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM. His Mac Pro can't edit 8k video from the Canon R5 without dropping frames. His new M1 Macbook Air can. That's huge. This M1 could be the next generation in terms of computer power for the creative world. I saw a few videos where the performance on Logic and Final Cut was ridiculously superior compared to the same machine running an Intel chip. Imagine running 30 tracks to be able to run 300. It's not the 5%, 10% performance increase we usually see, it's a night and day experience. But I still need to see some things. Apps that are not made by Apple and their performance boost and what will be the Pro Mac devices. M2 maybe? We should expect at least a graphic card, right? Will that make much difference?
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 22, 2020 18:29:48 GMT -6
I've heard a few other people say similar things over the past 2-3 days in the film/video world. Including one who was directly comparing his $15k 1yr old Mac Pro with 192GB of RAM to the base model M1 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM. His Mac Pro can't edit 8k video from the Canon R5 without dropping frames. His new M1 Macbook Air can. That's huge. This M1 could be the next generation in terms of computer power for the creative world. I saw a few videos where the performance on Logic and Final Cut was ridiculously superior compared to the same machine running an Intel chip. Imagine running 30 tracks to be able to run 300. It's not the 5%, 10% performance increase we usually see, it's a night and day experience. But I still need to see some things. Apps that are not made by Apple and their performance boost and what will be the Pro Mac devices. M2 maybe? We should expect at least a graphic card, right? Will that make much difference? External gpus won't effect anything we want to do generally. But surely they would be helpful for video rendering. Even now the gpus are far more powerful than any cpu. And you can have multiple. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. While the m1 is doing things with the direct access memory, amd and Intel are both right on the heels of doing this themselves. In fact the new ryzens main I provements are due to memory controllers and die placement upgrades. No other direct changes. Gonna be a very interesting couple of years in hardware development I think.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 23, 2020 0:53:05 GMT -6
3 displays running off m1 mini:
A copied message from UA forum:
“You can have 3 monitors with the new mac mini M1. Check out this guys video. I bought a $40 displaylink box to do this.
I took it a step further and hooked up my Elgato mini dock, using the Displayport out for my clean feed monitor/3rd, so I don't lose a TB 3 connection.“
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Post by phantom on Nov 23, 2020 6:36:08 GMT -6
That's huge. This M1 could be the next generation in terms of computer power for the creative world. I saw a few videos where the performance on Logic and Final Cut was ridiculously superior compared to the same machine running an Intel chip. Imagine running 30 tracks to be able to run 300. It's not the 5%, 10% performance increase we usually see, it's a night and day experience. But I still need to see some things. Apps that are not made by Apple and their performance boost and what will be the Pro Mac devices. M2 maybe? We should expect at least a graphic card, right? Will that make much difference? External gpus won't effect anything we want to do generally. But surely they would be helpful for video rendering. Even now the gpus are far more powerful than any cpu. And you can have multiple. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. While the m1 is doing things with the direct access memory, amd and Intel are both right on the heels of doing this themselves. In fact the new ryzens main I provements are due to memory controllers and die placement upgrades. No other direct changes. Gonna be a very interesting couple of years in hardware development I think. Yeah, I was talking about GPUs for video editing. Seeing how good this M1 is, I'm starting to feel that Apple will put that on every first release machine and bump some specs, like RAM, GPU and maybe a boost on the clock. Just saw this video: The M1 Mac mini handled like a champ plugins like Ozone on Logic Pro. Studio One, as expected, didn't work very well.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Nov 25, 2020 4:15:37 GMT -6
Very excited about the Apple Silicon progress. Every review video & test videos I’ve seen have been impressive! I am on a 2012 MBP i7 ( the model is A1286 9.1 ) 750 GB upgrade to 512 Samsung 850 SSD, 16Gb Ram, still have CD burner lol. Apollo on FW800 still, record w/ 64 buffer to external OWC spinners in 32 bit Pro Tools 10.3.1 under Lion w/ Auto Tune, RComp, 2 sends for Dverb & H delay no issues while running external Samsung 24” maybe 27” 1080p HD monitor. Can only imagine how much more capability a new machine would have for me & my workflow . I have the original Apollo TB card to replace FW800 slot, hope this is compatible w/ new Apple machines!
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 25, 2020 5:00:07 GMT -6
You will need the tb3 to 2 convert cable from new Mac to Apollo.
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Post by ericn on Nov 25, 2020 15:56:20 GMT -6
Very excited about the Apple Silicon progress. Every review video & test videos I’ve seen have been impressive! I am on a 2012 MBP i7 ( the model is A1286 9.1 ) 750 GB upgrade to 512 Samsung 850 SSD, 16Gb Ram, still have CD burner lol. Apollo on FW800 still, record w/ 64 buffer to external OWC spinners in 32 bit Pro Tools 10.3.1 under Lion w/ Auto Tune, RComp, 2 sends for Dverb & H delay no issues while running external Samsung 24” maybe 27” 1080p HD monitor. Can only imagine how much more capability a new machine would have for me & my workflow . I have the original Apollo TB card to replace FW800 slot, hope this is compatible w/ new Apple machines! Wait till UA and AVID both not only state compatibility, but can truly demonstrate it ! But yeah I keep wanting to pull the trigger on a New Mini!
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 27, 2020 13:59:29 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Nov 27, 2020 14:39:39 GMT -6
Interesting, now accepting this as truth, I really don’t care how many cores, honestly it’s the most useless spec. Number of cores is even more meaningless than clock speed. Until Apple itself rights the OS so we take full use seamlessly of the power of these cores. I have gone around and around on this with various code writers and system builders since the first dual core , but there finally seams to be a consensus that it should not be on the app developers but on the OS writers to intergrate the efficient use of multiple cores so that all apps universally can take advantage end of rant for now.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 27, 2020 15:05:13 GMT -6
True, who knows how credible these leaks are, at least ptx goes with leakers who have some street cred from previous leaks. I think the cores do matter for logic users, but it is optimized for big Sur and the chip anyway. I’ll be nursing my 2012 mbp along a little further : happily watching the m chip dust settle!
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