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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 3, 2020 5:21:28 GMT -6
So, another announcement in a couple of weeks, lots of rumours about the new chips, models, price drops $2-300 per unit.
Wonder what Apple will do with pricing of current models: once new one drops, if price is lower and performance the same or better, who will pay full pop for current computer?
Am watching, as my 2012, and 16 gigs of ram is really struggling with my current session, a new 8 core, i7 with 32 gig of ram is looking pretty good.
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Post by Ward on Nov 3, 2020 5:59:59 GMT -6
Very interesting to watch and see what they do. I still have a lot of Apple stock, but I sure wish I had held on to all of it . . . I bought it at $24 a share, two share splits ago.
I could sell a couple of shares here and there and buy new Mac Pro cheese graters as if it were chump change.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2020 9:59:01 GMT -6
Price drop would be cool. I’m not expecting any real world performance boost.
The limits on Mac performance weren’t the Intel CPUs but the thermals and really the unoptimized kernel of OS X itself.
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 3, 2020 10:13:53 GMT -6
Interesting. I was thinking perhaps going Mac Mini for a PT rig. I build my own PC's though and it's always hard to argue in favor of pre-built anything, especially Apple.
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Post by Ward on Nov 3, 2020 11:01:00 GMT -6
Price drop would be cool. I’m not expecting any real world performance boost. The limits on Mac performance weren’t the Intel CPUs but the thermals and really the unoptimized kernel of OS X itself. They still using the Berkley UNIX kernel?
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2020 11:14:55 GMT -6
Price drop would be cool. I’m not expecting any real world performance boost. The limits on Mac performance weren’t the Intel CPUs but the thermals and really the unoptimized kernel of OS X itself. Supposedly Apples verison of the ARM solves the thermals issue but we shall see.
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 3, 2020 11:19:20 GMT -6
Very interesting to watch and see what they do. I still have a lot of Apple stock, but I sure wish I had held on to all of it . . . I bought it at $24 a share, two share splits ago. I could sell a couple of shares here and there and buy new Mac Pro cheese graters as if it were chump change. You should have way more gear.
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2020 11:19:54 GMT -6
Interesting. I was thinking perhaps going Mac Mini for a PT rig. I build my own PC's though and it's always hard to argue in favor of pre-built anything, especially Apple. Oh the Mini, it should be Apples coolest machine, but they always go cheap! We want a Mini Pro!!! I rack space 2-3 slots user upgrade able memory & Drive (space for at least 2) and a real GPU !!! Perfect machine for audio and video.
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 3, 2020 11:21:07 GMT -6
Interesting. I was thinking perhaps going Mac Mini for a PT rig. I build my own PC's though and it's always hard to argue in favor of pre-built anything, especially Apple. Oh the Mini, it should be Apples coolest machine, but they always go cheap! We want a Mini Pro!!! I rack space 2-3 slots user upgrade able memory & Drive (space for at least 2) and a real GPU !!! Perfect machine for audio and video. Amen. Lots of us would buy that, I bet. I'd love a Mac Pro but I don't make nearly enough from audio to justify something like that. Project studios and even pro ones would probably go for something like that. A fair number already do with the currently Mini offering.
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Post by nudwig on Nov 3, 2020 12:47:55 GMT -6
Interesting. I was thinking perhaps going Mac Mini for a PT rig. I build my own PC's though and it's always hard to argue in favor of pre-built anything, especially Apple. Oh the Mini, it should be Apples coolest machine, but they always go cheap! We want a Mini Pro!!! I rack space 2-3 slots user upgrade able memory & Drive (space for at least 2) and a real GPU !!! Perfect machine for audio and video. Seems to be the rumor www.macrumors.com/2020/11/02/apple-smaller-mac-pro-apple-silicon/
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2020 21:21:55 GMT -6
It’s been rumored for way to long
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Post by javamad on Nov 4, 2020 5:12:48 GMT -6
I am just lining up to buy an 6 core i7 mini or an 8 core iMac. Currently leaning towards the iMac for those extra 2 cores and better thermals.
My current 2012 MBP has given its all and deserves to be put out to pasture at home for a daily hour of web browsing :-)
Pricing: I don’t think Apple will drop pricing straight away and most likely a few months after and only on the machines where Apple Silicon is already out ... thats what I would do :-)
Silicon Rush: I have no wish to have my studio to take part in the likely painful conversion, waiting for this or that software builder to migrate. They’ve only had about 6 months. And while I use Logic, I am also waiting for LUNA to come on stream as a proper option ... so I don’t want to be waiting on even more stuff.
My €0.02
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 4, 2020 5:28:19 GMT -6
All good points.
I chatted with a local retailer whose opinion was the intel Macs would likely price drop sooner but who knows?
There are articles yt videos about application status being much more advanced so maybe a smaller bump in the transition road?
But ya, the iMac i7 8 core looks great, certainly watching those closely, I think I’d want a 1 gig hard drive, but up here there are many that are 1/2 gig, seems a bit of a liability.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 7:55:07 GMT -6
Price drop would be cool. I’m not expecting any real world performance boost. The limits on Mac performance weren’t the Intel CPUs but the thermals and really the unoptimized kernel of OS X itself. They still using the Berkley UNIX kernel? Yes large parts of it. Windows kernel is much better optimized even if many windows drivers are terrible.
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 4, 2020 11:22:50 GMT -6
They still using the Berkley UNIX kernel? Yes large parts of it. Windows kernel is much better optimized even if many windows drivers are terrible. I know nothing of this corn you speak of, but why is it that PT seems to run better on a Mac?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 12:20:15 GMT -6
Yes large parts of it. Windows kernel is much better optimized even if many windows drivers are terrible. I know nothing of this corn you speak of, but why is it that PT seems to run better on a Mac? Bugs and unoptimized bios and Windows settings. Windows has more consistent CPU use. Cubase and Reaper are Windows focused too.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 4, 2020 12:56:45 GMT -6
I run logic so no issues of significance on a Mac: shit just works: like it should.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 13:43:29 GMT -6
Will Apple make rackmount stuff though with Apple silicon? That I would be interested in if the thermals are a lot better.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Nov 4, 2020 14:10:48 GMT -6
I use a mid-tier Mac Mini from like 2014 with Reaper and a MOTU 16a and its been really solid for 6+ years! Run a decent amount of plugins from SoundToys, Valhalla, PSP, etc with no issues. Waves sometimes is a pain (shocking)
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Post by Mister Chase on Nov 4, 2020 15:44:56 GMT -6
I know nothing of this corn you speak of, but why is it that PT seems to run better on a Mac? Bugs and unoptimized bios and Windows settings. Windows has more consistent CPU use. Cubase and Reaper are Windows focused too. Yea. I can't figure PT out but I can't dump it. I use s1 and reaper as well. They run great. Optimized all the bios and windows settings til I'm blue in the face. Just the way it is I guess.
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Post by ericn on Nov 4, 2020 18:03:31 GMT -6
Often wondered if the weird CPU issues on the Mini have anything to do with the Graphics. Now If your Apple do you put GPU duties on your own chip for the Mini and some other Lowend machines or do you use a real GPU in the mini?
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 4, 2020 19:32:43 GMT -6
Often wondered if the weird CPU issues on the Mini have anything to do with the Graphics. Now If your Apple do you put GPU duties on your own chip for the Mini and some other Lowend machines or do you use a real GPU in the mini? Along with Apple CPU, I read they’re going to use Apple GPU as well, at least in the machines that use GPU.
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Post by Ward on Nov 4, 2020 19:56:17 GMT -6
Often wondered if the weird CPU issues on the Mini have anything to do with the Graphics. Now If your Apple do you put GPU duties on your own chip for the Mini and some other Lowend machines or do you use a real GPU in the mini? I often wonder if Tim Cook thinks he's above such ponderings....
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Post by OtisGreying on Nov 4, 2020 20:28:52 GMT -6
A14 chip scores 1600+ on single core CPU performance. That's 30% better than the fastest Intel Mac available. Over double as fast as my 2015 MBP i7 Single core scores matters most for music production. So it would seem they'll definitely be a substantial performance upgrade
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Post by ericn on Nov 4, 2020 21:47:04 GMT -6
Often wondered if the weird CPU issues on the Mini have anything to do with the Graphics. Now If your Apple do you put GPU duties on your own chip for the Mini and some other Lowend machines or do you use a real GPU in the mini? I often wonder if Tim Cook thinks he's above such ponderings.... I think so, then of course he jumps into a giant pile of cash ala Scrooge Mcduck. Well Scrooge Mcduck Pro, better camera.
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