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Post by drumsound on Nov 5, 2020 0:10:46 GMT -6
I use a mid-tier Mac Mini from like 2014 with Reaper and a MOTU 16a and its been really solid for 6+ years! Run a decent amount of plugins from SoundToys, Valhalla, PSP, etc with no issues. Waves sometimes is a pain (shocking) Same here, actually it might be the best mini of the time I got it. I'll probably eventually have a new mini... Do you get a weird CPU error when you first open a Waves plugin, and then a restart and its fine? Often wondered if the weird CPU issues on the Mini have anything to do with the Graphics. Now If your Apple do you put GPU duties on your own chip for the Mini and some other Lowend machines or do you use a real GPU in the mini? I always assume that's the issue.
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Post by Ward on Nov 5, 2020 8:44:35 GMT -6
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOL @ ericn
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 5, 2020 11:03:38 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 5, 2020 16:44:04 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 6, 2020 7:09:59 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Nov 6, 2020 15:59:02 GMT -6
The thing with Apple / ARM is we don’t know exactly what tech Apple is licensed to use no less actually using until it ships.
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Post by brenta on Nov 11, 2020 9:41:56 GMT -6
If Apple's claims about their new M1 chip are true, it is an absolute game changer. Sounds like it's leaps and bounds faster than the previous generation intel macs. They are saying 3x more VIs and plugins in Logic. We should start seeing benchmarks next week. Sounds like most software will need to be ported to work with the new processor which will probably take a while.
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Post by ragan on Nov 11, 2020 10:07:41 GMT -6
If Apple's claims about their new M1 chip are true, it is an absolute game changer. Sounds like it's leaps and bounds faster than the previous generation intel macs. They are saying 3x more VIs and plugins in Logic. We should start seeing benchmarks next week. Sounds like most software will need to be ported to work with the new processor which will probably take a while. The ‘3x more VIs’ is in comparison to the i3 Mini I believe.
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Post by phantom on Nov 11, 2020 10:43:57 GMT -6
5x faster then the best selling PC.
As far as I know, the best selling PC can be the Hello Kitty Laptop.
The numbers on the presentation said nothing, to tell the truth. I'll wait proper reviews and benchmarks.
I'm hopping for something groundbreaking, but I don't know...
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 11, 2020 10:44:30 GMT -6
Think the comparisons to an i3 silly.
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Post by Ward on Nov 11, 2020 11:42:55 GMT -6
5x faster then the best selling PC. As far as I know, the best selling PC can be the Hello Kitty Laptop. The number on the presentation said nothing to tell the truth. I'll wait proper reviews and benchmarks. I'm napping for something groundbreaking, but I don't know... Ok, there have been some claims posted that many of us would consider game-changing mind-bending and ground-breaking. So please define which parameters you would use to qualify 'groundbreaking'. What meets your standards? And I'm challenging you, but not suggesting you don't know what you're talking about, just want to know exactly how high the standard is, please.
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Post by svart on Nov 11, 2020 11:54:41 GMT -6
5x faster then the best selling PC. As far as I know, the best selling PC can be the Hello Kitty Laptop. The numbers on the presentation said nothing, to tell the truth. I'll wait proper reviews and benchmarks. I'm hopping for something groundbreaking, but I don't know... Sounds like their marketing for one of their boxes around the time of the first gen iMacs. They had some strangely high benchmark number for a Photoshop filter, so they went around calling it a "supercomputer" even though the rest of the benchmarks were below their PC peers of the time.
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Post by ericn on Nov 11, 2020 11:58:56 GMT -6
I’ll admit I spent the last 24 hours or so lusting after the new mini, damn the price is ridiculous. The thing is though in typical Apple fashion I can’t find anybody who’s actually used the damn thing. Every time Apple reinvents it’s computers via a move to a different chip builder we are reminded of how special the DAW is and how Codependent our DAW world is. We are still pretty much dependent on the brute force of a CPU rather than its ability to use all those cores. One would hope that a company that writes the code for one of the top DAW’s would address this, but anyone who has spent any time in a large organization knows better. The application guys point the finger at the hardware & OS guys and vise versa. You wonder if they spent 1/4 of the time spent in their meetings using the damn thing rather than arguing how cool the actual product would be. Every time we have been promised a revolution in performance, instead we have experienced what seams like just another step on the slow evolution.
Yeah I’ll probably buy one, my old I7 MBP is suffering from the stupidity of mounting the cheap power button on PCB and having it fixed is about 1/2 of one of these new minis. What scares me is my plan has always been a mini and a PCIe chassis so I can use something like a RAYDAT to connect my RADAR. How high a priority is PCIE on one of these things for RME or Apple? Will I pay for the pleasure of being the guinea pig?
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Post by phantom on Nov 11, 2020 12:09:52 GMT -6
5x faster then the best selling PC. As far as I know, the best selling PC can be the Hello Kitty Laptop. The number on the presentation said nothing to tell the truth. I'll wait proper reviews and benchmarks. I'm napping for something groundbreaking, but I don't know... Ok, there have been some claims posted that many of us would consider game-changing mind-bending and ground-breaking. So please define which parameters you would use to qualify 'groundbreaking'. What meets your standards? And I'm challenging you, but not suggesting you don't know what you're talking about, just want to know exactly how high the standard is, please. Wow, why are you coming at me this way? I'm just saying that I'll wait reviews to judge. I'm not an expert, just an user of Mac computers. So, my standard would be a performance better than what we have out there with less consumption, or maybe for less money. Just that. Is the M1 better for my usage than an Intel i9? Or a Ryzen 5600? Will it run Pro Tools better, more plugins, more VIs?
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Post by phantom on Nov 11, 2020 12:13:06 GMT -6
5x faster then the best selling PC. As far as I know, the best selling PC can be the Hello Kitty Laptop. The numbers on the presentation said nothing, to tell the truth. I'll wait proper reviews and benchmarks. I'm hopping for something groundbreaking, but I don't know... Sounds like their marketing for one of their boxes around the time of the first gen iMacs. They had some strangely high benchmark number for a Photoshop filter, so they went around calling it a "supercomputer" even though the rest of the benchmarks were below their PC peers of the time. Yeah, comparing to an i3 and vague "best selling PCs" did not give the best impression to me. But my bet is that this M1 is just an entry level and the real ones to compare to the big processing powerhouses will come next.
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Post by geoff738 on Nov 11, 2020 15:13:40 GMT -6
The question I have is if I’m leaning new iMac, should I wait, because I’m ready to take the plunge now, and if so how long a wait do you guesstimate it will be until the iMac line makes the « upgrade »?
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by professorplum on Nov 11, 2020 15:17:53 GMT -6
Amazed that the new models top out at 16gb of RAM. I've got 64gb in my top of the line 2018 Mac Mini and it still struggles with some tasks. Can't imagine anyone doing audio/video/editing buying any of the newer models
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Post by ericn on Nov 11, 2020 15:23:58 GMT -6
The question I have is if I’m leaning new iMac, should I wait, because I’m ready to take the plunge now, and if so how long a wait do you guesstimate it will be until the iMac line makes the « upgrade »? Cheers, Geoff Easy wait till your daw , interface and favorite plugins are not only officially compatible but have a track record of being so.
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Post by Ward on Nov 11, 2020 15:25:16 GMT -6
Ok, there have been some claims posted that many of us would consider game-changing mind-bending and ground-breaking. So please define which parameters you would use to qualify 'groundbreaking'. What meets your standards? And I'm challenging you, but not suggesting you don't know what you're talking about, just want to know exactly how high the standard is, please. Wow, why are you coming at me this way? I'm just saying that I'll wait reviews to judge. I'm not an expert, just an user of Mac computers. So, my standard would be a performance better than what we have out there with less consumption, or maybe for less money. Just that. Is the M1 better for my usage than an Intel i9? Or a Ryzen 5600? Will it run Pro Tools better, more plugins, more VIs? I really wasn't trying to and was hoping it wouldn't be taken that way with: "What meets your standards? And I'm challenging you, but not suggesting you don't know what you're talking about, just want to know exactly how high the standard is, please. " Yes, it's a challenge because I want to know more. I think you've made a bold statement, like you honestly know what you're talking about. And I want to know more. Please bring mw up to speed, before I give Apple more money.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 11, 2020 16:14:07 GMT -6
Or we take the m1 performance talk with a big grain of salt if they are comparing to an i3?
So far, the price savings per computer is a little unclear, limiting to 16g is almost a non starter for most people recording and the future is still unclear?
There could be more memory upgrades in as yet unreleased new computers and eventually m2 and m3 chips?
Or just buy the current 2020 i7 iMac 8 core, with what size hard drive you want, minimum ram and upgrade yourself: benefits are a very powerful new computer, great monitor and the known quality of not needing to worry about compatibility with other softwares etc.. You would likely have a good stretch of years before you would have any concerns about OS updates etc., and or at some point don’t update the iMac or sell it ?
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Post by ericn on Nov 11, 2020 17:39:16 GMT -6
Or we take the m1 performance talk with a big grain of salt if they are comparing to an i3? So far, the price savings per computer is a little unclear, limiting to 16g is almost a non starter for most people recording and the future is still unclear? There could be more memory upgrades in as yet unreleased new computers and eventually m2 and m3 chips? Or just buy the current 2020 i7 iMac 8 core, with what size hard drive you want, minimum ram and upgrade yourself: benefits are a very powerful new computer, great monitor and the known quality of not needing to worry about compatibility with other softwares etc.. You would likely have a good stretch of years before you would have any concerns about OS updates etc., and or at some point don’t update the iMac or sell it ? As long as you understand you might not be able to upgrade, it could be plugins, VI’s DAW, just at some point somebody is going to lock you out of being able to upgrade. But hell yeah right now in terms of usable power and compatibility your way ahead. Of course this is from the guy who’s primary tracking system uses an OS that is long gone and has been mixing ads ( and loving it ) using the IOS version of Cubase so there is that.
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Post by ericn on Nov 11, 2020 17:41:01 GMT -6
Wow, why are you coming at me this way? I'm just saying that I'll wait reviews to judge. I'm not an expert, just an user of Mac computers. So, my standard would be a performance better than what we have out there with less consumption, or maybe for less money. Just that. Is the M1 better for my usage than an Intel i9? Or a Ryzen 5600? Will it run Pro Tools better, more plugins, more VIs? I really wasn't trying to and was hoping it wouldn't be taken that way with: "What meets your standards? And I'm challenging you, but not suggesting you don't know what you're talking about, just want to know exactly how high the standard is, please. " Yes, it's a challenge because I want to know more. I think you've made a bold statement, like you honestly know what you're talking about. And I want to know more. Please bring mw up to speed, before I give Apple more money. Until these things are out being used in the wild its all conjecture and we are all simply talking out our asses.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 11, 2020 18:13:59 GMT -6
Or we take the m1 performance talk with a big grain of salt if they are comparing to an i3? So far, the price savings per computer is a little unclear, limiting to 16g is almost a non starter for most people recording and the future is still unclear? There could be more memory upgrades in as yet unreleased new computers and eventually m2 and m3 chips? Or just buy the current 2020 i7 iMac 8 core, with what size hard drive you want, minimum ram and upgrade yourself: benefits are a very powerful new computer, great monitor and the known quality of not needing to worry about compatibility with other softwares etc.. You would likely have a good stretch of years before you would have any concerns about OS updates etc., and or at some point don’t update the iMac or sell it ? As long as you understand you might not be able to upgrade, it could be plugins, VI’s DAW, just at some point somebody is going to lock you out of being able to upgrade. But hell yeah right now in terms of usable power and compatibility your way ahead. Of course this is from the guy who’s primary tracking system uses an OS that is long gone and has been mixing ads ( and loving it ) using the IOS version of Cubase so there is that. I, for one, do not need to be on the bleeding edge. I'm perfectly fine locking things in place for years, and have done just that. If it ain't broke...
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 11, 2020 18:23:38 GMT -6
I seriously doubt people won’t get 5-7 years for sure out of an intel Mac! Russ at pro tools expert seems to have ordered a new mbp, he should have it in under a week: you can bet they’ll run it ragged with their standard Audio bench test and report soon about when it falls over!
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Post by phantom on Nov 11, 2020 19:09:13 GMT -6
Wow, why are you coming at me this way? I'm just saying that I'll wait reviews to judge. I'm not an expert, just an user of Mac computers. So, my standard would be a performance better than what we have out there with less consumption, or maybe for less money. Just that. Is the M1 better for my usage than an Intel i9? Or a Ryzen 5600? Will it run Pro Tools better, more plugins, more VIs? I really wasn't trying to and was hoping it wouldn't be taken that way with: "What meets your standards? And I'm challenging you, but not suggesting you don't know what you're talking about, just want to know exactly how high the standard is, please. " Yes, it's a challenge because I want to know more. I think you've made a bold statement, like you honestly know what you're talking about. And I want to know more. Please bring mw up to speed, before I give Apple more money. Ok, if that's the case, I'm so sorry. Completely misunderstood the tone of your post. And the answer is: I don't know. Ground breaking would be a huge performance boost. That's all I know about computers. And we are saying that it could be ground breaking because it's a new player entering a game that only had 2 competitors for many years, Intel and AMD. Now we have Apple as well, so all eyes on what it'll bring.
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