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Post by prene1 on May 17, 2020 23:38:32 GMT -6
Been an uphill battle. I've suffered enough from battered DAW syndrome and starting my divorce.
If anyone here has walked away from PT, which DAW captured you ?
I'm on PC btw ......
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Post by the other mark williams on May 18, 2020 0:34:40 GMT -6
Been an uphill battle. I've suffered enough from battered DAW syndrome and starting my divorce. If anyone here has walked away from PT, which DAW captured you ? I'm on PC btw ...... When I left PT about 15yrs ago, I went to Logic. Obviously not an option for you on a PC. I would think the primary contenders for you would be Cubase, Reaper, or Studio One. Three quite different programs, but all very competent at the job of being a DAW. I’d probably recommend watching some YouTube videos of those three to see if any of them stands out to you more than the others.
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 18, 2020 7:30:35 GMT -6
Been an uphill battle. I've suffered enough from battered DAW syndrome and starting my divorce. If anyone here has walked away from PT, which DAW captured you ? I'm on PC btw ...... What was it about PT that made you want to change?
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Post by prene1 on May 18, 2020 8:10:47 GMT -6
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Post by nnajar on May 18, 2020 9:02:24 GMT -6
If I left PT I would go to reaper. I keep reaper on my laptop for remotes and I’ve in the past done full production albums on reaper before I got HDX. When I was still on vanilla PT I was toying with the idea of jumping to reaper for stability reasons. But then I decided to build a real studio out of the house so we went HDX. And I really like PT. But reaper is awesome and very powerful.
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Post by Tbone81 on May 18, 2020 9:42:02 GMT -6
Using Cubase here and for the most part love it. But I did try Studio One recently and it's a strong contender, almost jumped ship, but Cubase won.
I think for midi, and songwriting (especially for hip hop, pop, electronic etc) the work flow in Studio One is awesome. But Cubase is a more mature DAW, has better mixer functions and a better workflow for tracking and mixing.
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Post by Omicron9 on May 18, 2020 10:12:05 GMT -6
I went to Reaper. Love it. You can download the full version for evaluation before buying the license (yes, I have a full license). Individual license is $60. Reaper link-09
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Post by prene1 on May 18, 2020 10:17:43 GMT -6
I went to Reaper. Love it. You can download the full version for evaluation before buying the license (yes, I have a full license). Individual license is $60. Reaper link-09 I've been trying to like reaper for since 0.96 and I want regular audio editing. I don't like the way it edits.
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Post by drbill on May 18, 2020 10:38:34 GMT -6
I will be staying PT HDX here for the foreseeable future. The aggravation and lost time in changing things up far outweighs the aggravation of AVID. You gotta pick your battles, and a new DAW that's native (almost certainly) will not be a good battle for me.
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Post by the other mark williams on May 18, 2020 10:43:00 GMT -6
I will be staying PT HDX here for the foreseeable future. The aggravation and lost time in changing things up far outweighs the aggravation of AVID. You gotta pick your battles, and a new DAW that's native (almost certainly) will not be a good battle for me. in your case, I completely agree, drBill. It definitely seems to be the right decision for you.
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Post by Guitar on May 18, 2020 10:44:25 GMT -6
Hard to go wrong with Cubase on PC.
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Post by porkyman on May 18, 2020 10:49:17 GMT -6
Studio one. It has a setting for pt hot keys which makes it easier. I still struggle sometimes with it. Especially editing but the relief of being free of pt is worth it.
Also if you’re working hybrid nothing compares to pipeline. It is so vastly superior to pt. It works like a plugin with input output and mix. The post hardware attenuation has been huge for me allowing me to match levels and bypass to get a more honest picture of what’s happening. Also the mix knob can turn any piece of hardware into parallel. Obviously this can be done in any daw but not as effortlessly.
I’ve tried them all and think samplitude is the easiest to convert to from pt and the most advanced. S1 is more reliable though in my opinion. Also has better midi and of course pipeline. Pipeline to me is the #1 reason to go S1. I love it.
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Post by Guitar on May 18, 2020 10:52:21 GMT -6
I was thinking about buying Harrison Mix Bus for fun maybe when it's on sale, it gets as low as $60. I know @smallbutfine uses it. In my mind it sounds like kind of what Luna is, but native.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 12:26:33 GMT -6
Reaper is awesome. Nothing else comes close except for some of the HDX rigs I’ve used but I will never buy an AVID product. I don’t see a point if you’re not tied into it already by being in a major studio or Hollywood.
I used to use Logic but abandoned it. It had its own, less efficient workflow and I was barely using any of the built in vis and plugins anyway. It works but Apple tries to force things along upon the user that get in the way. Reaper works faster when I was able to come up with my own workflow but I guess it’s more Windows oriented GUI wise like an older version of Office to get to a lot of functions unless you want to setup your own hotkeys.
Studio One was totally unusably buggy. Typical half-assed Presonus product.
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Post by dreamsambas on May 18, 2020 13:02:40 GMT -6
I use Ableton, but to be perfectly honest I don't love it.
Do any DAWs do latency compensation when running tracks through outboard?
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Post by Ned Ward on May 18, 2020 13:06:30 GMT -6
From looking at your posts on the DUC, you're doing music/audio for post, so I think it's critical to see what others are using in post for that high track count and what's working, what's not as I would imagine workflows, etc. are way different than just music creation/mixing. Also sounds like you're not able to treat the cost of running >32 channel as a business expense you can deduct or pass along to the customer.
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Post by drbill on May 18, 2020 13:10:48 GMT -6
Question for Logic owners..... I've been an apple advocate for well over 20 years. I've purchased countless Laptops, Desktops, Towers, iPhones, the whole 9 yards. But in terms of corporate greed and stupidity making me do things I don't want to do....Apple has easily bypassed AVID to be the kings of drama and stupid moves forcing me to do things I don't want to do. For those using Logic, does this cascade over into stupid moves regarding their DAW (Logic)? I hate being FORCED to upgrade at every juncture by Apple. To the point, where I'd almost consider a PC at this point, and I hate Windoze.
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Post by Ward on May 18, 2020 14:36:40 GMT -6
Question for Logic owners..... I've been an apple advocate for well over 20 years. I've purchased countless Laptops, Desktops, Towers, iPhones, the whole 9 yards. But in terms of corporate greed and stupidity making me do things I don't want to do....Apple has easily bypassed AVID to be the kings of drama and stupid moves forcing me to do things I don't want to do. For those using Logic, does this cascade over into stupid moves regarding their DAW (Logic)? I hate being FORCED to upgrade at every juncture by Apple. To the point, where I'd almost consider a PC at this point, and I hate Windoze. Yeah . . . it's like Tim was always there going "I wanna do bullshit bullshit bullshit" And Jobs was all "no screw that shit, we're not doing that:" Tm was like "yeah, but more money money money" And then Jonathan Ives was "Can I at least make it beautiful and functional" And Jobs was like "hellz yeah, beauty and functionality and some bullshit for more money money money" And since Stevo passed, it's all bulshit bullshit bullshit. Granted. Apple is still light years ahead of Gates's vision.
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Post by kcatthedog on May 18, 2020 14:49:26 GMT -6
I ditched PT vanilla 3-4 years ago for logic, due to avid’s price gouging, throttling of features and never ending bugs.
Logic cost me like $230 usd once.
I haven’t had any real problems and have been running a 2012 mbp i7 on various OS, now on Catalina. I recognize likely the last OS, I’ll be able to upgrade to.
I can’t think of anything I haven’t been able to do in logic and have only opened PTs a few times to run old sessions.
Personally, really don’t care about avid or Apple politics, a daw is just a tool: just want it to work and be reasonably priced. Logic beats PT handily for me.
I also think of all the money I have saved since ditching PT, essentially buys me my next Apple computer at this point, so I see no downside and logic keeps getting new feature, if I want to use them.
For pros, I do understand the PTs imperative, but can't see any reason why I would go back.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on May 18, 2020 14:58:47 GMT -6
I've actually migrated most of my work TO Pro Tools because VST2 appears to be going away and VST3 has been pretty flaky so-far.
I bailed on Mac because Steve returned! If he'd had his way, we'd never have been doing audio, video, or graphics production on a Mac. His concept of a Mac from the very beginning was the iPad. When Adobe and Avid looked like they were both about to bail, he panicked, bought Logic, and what became Final Cut in the hopes of keeping all of the kewl, famous stars from bailing.
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Post by Guitar on May 18, 2020 15:44:54 GMT -6
I use Ableton, but to be perfectly honest I don't love it. Do any DAWs do latency compensation when running tracks through outboard? In Cubase it's handled with the External Effect plugin. It will automatically correct for your round trip latency. You can press the button to "ping" it again and it will reset the number as needed.
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Post by avgatzeblouz on May 18, 2020 15:50:36 GMT -6
When I decided to ditch Protools 10 years ago, I gave myself 1 mix with Cubase, 1 mix with Reaper, and 1 mix with Samplitude. I fell in love with the latest. The object editing is amazing, especially if you do post-prod. You can apply real-time parameters to selected regions called objects on top of the track plugins and automation. Like all the automation parameters of Protools immediatly available (Eq, plugin, Aux send, volume, Pan, automation of plugin, stretch, etc...). So if you have 10 people interviewed, in Protools you need 10 tracks to apply denoise+Eq+compression+de-essing, or a shit load of automation. In Samplitude, you need 1 track. It is efficient, and very different from other stuff. So the learning curve is steep.
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Post by ericn on May 18, 2020 16:13:39 GMT -6
I've actually migrated most of my work TO Pro Tools because VST2 appears to be going away and VST3 has been pretty flaky so-far. I bailed on Mac because Steve returned! If he'd had his way, we'd never have been doing audio, video, or graphics production on a Mac. His concept of a Mac from the very beginning was the iPad. When Adobe and Avid looked like they were both about to bail, he panicked, bought Logic, and what became Final Cut in the hopes of keeping all of the kewl, famous stars from bailing. To this day I have yet to figure out Jobs distain for the 2 companies who kept Apple Alive for him to come back to and rebuild. Without those of us who were paying over list for 9600’s to build systems around Apple during the early days of Jobs reboot wouldn’t have had the cash to survive. Oh and we were an Apple dealer, just couldn’t get a Machine from Apple! If the customers had been build for my time by the hour for just tracking down the computer those PT3 systems would have cost twice as much.
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Post by guitfiddler on May 18, 2020 16:15:09 GMT -6
Studio One Professional🤟🏻 I’ve never used it on PC. I use it on Mac.
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Post by aremos on May 18, 2020 16:27:50 GMT -6
Married to MAC, married to Pro Tools. Been using for decades & will be hard to divorce. Don't have the TIME to explore, experiment & switch. I do the upgrade a minimum of 7 - 11 years and it hasn't been that bad. Same for Waves.
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