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Post by johneppstein on Apr 5, 2019 17:28:16 GMT -6
Well, that's nice as far as it goes. I have an AT&T push button desk phone (dual tone and pulse) that still works like the day it was made almost 50 years ago. What are the odds that your iPhone will last even half that time? A quarter, even? How's the quality of the camera on it? How well does it run Google Maps? Can it give me the real-time position of the Uber ride I'm waiting on, while I reply to my Slack channel and upload the picture I just took with it to Instagram? 1) I hate phone cameras. I have a little Sony point-and-shoot that does a much better job.
2) My desktop runs Google Maps and prints out the map and directions.
3) Why would I need Uber on my desktop phone?
What's "Slack Channel"? (looked it up - don't want it or need it.)
I don't Instagram. I'm not one of those annoying people who's always taking pictures and posting them. Most of those pictures probably shouldn't have been taken in the first place.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 5, 2019 17:33:03 GMT -6
I'm sure that does happen. And recourse against a Chinese company...well good luck. But that isn't all the time. It is *possible*. Though I never said it wouldn't be challenging. I've dealt with USA foundries and manufacturers who have basically all but told me to go f*** myself. USA manufacturing isn't exactly in good shape either, though in different ways for different reasons. I'm just glad I'm not trying to get a piece of gear made for production. Same. John's using a few anecdotes to justify his position, but as a person who actually deals with Asian production, I've found these stories are generally mythical, with folks whom are sure this happens having heard the stories from someone else who also heard this happens.. I've had bad dealings with USA companies, some in the UK, some in India, and yes, China. It's going to happen occasionally, that's just human nature. Modern Chinese production isn't a monopoly, and just like here, the bad eggs go out of business quickly, any are replaced by those vying for business by doing better work. Well some of the people I'm talking about are "name people" who I conversed with at AES.
When you're dealing with stuff like this "anecdotes" are about the only source of information that exists. You just have to consider the source of your anecdotes.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 5, 2019 17:38:49 GMT -6
The iPhone can do way more than that phone though by far. It's more powerful than the biggest and best desktop computers from not that long ago. Nothing can beat an old bell phone for just a phone. But a cell phone is a computer. A very tiny one. Totally different industry really. Yeah, I know. I don't have an iPhone but I do have a typical dumbphone and it's a royal PITA to NOT use all the crap in it.
I use a phone for voice and text (because some people I know don't answer voice - heck, I don't answer voice much of the time - too many junk calls) but I try not to use anything else. I do have Uber and Air BnB on it for traveling but that's it - not even a dumb game.
Frankly I think that a lot of the "features" on todays phones are nothing but time wasters and tend to discourage p[erson to person socializing.
And of course the makers just keep piling on the unneccessary "features" because it keeps people buying new widgets they don't really need.
Not even gonna start on how the phone has been a major force in destroying the commercial music business and totally devaluing music.
Edit: And I don't WANT a "powerful computer" that fits in my pocket that has a screen that's too small to do anything useful on and is barely legible for text.
Yup. All good points. I totally get why you choose the products you have. Makes good sense. But comparing the two and their obsolescence cycle or manufacturing is just an exercise in futility. Features, purpose and technology are all very different.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 5, 2019 17:48:11 GMT -6
Yeah, I know. I don't have an iPhone but I do have a typical dumbphone and it's a royal PITA to NOT use all the crap in it.
I use a phone for voice and text (because some people I know don't answer voice - heck, I don't answer voice much of the time - too many junk calls) but I try not to use anything else. I do have Uber and Air BnB on it for traveling but that's it - not even a dumb game.
Frankly I think that a lot of the "features" on todays phones are nothing but time wasters and tend to discourage p[erson to person socializing.
And of course the makers just keep piling on the unneccessary "features" because it keeps people buying new widgets they don't really need.
Not even gonna start on how the phone has been a major force in destroying the commercial music business and totally devaluing music.
Edit: And I don't WANT a "powerful computer" that fits in my pocket that has a screen that's too small to do anything useful on and is barely legible for text.
Yup. All good points. I totally get why you choose the products you have. Makes good sense. But comparing the two and their obsolescence cycle or manufacturing is just an exercise in futility. Features, purpose and technology are all very different. People these days waste their money on throwaway junk. Maybe that's ok for consumer stuff (although I don't really think so) but to me it's just not tolerable for pro audio equipment. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I expect stuff that has a MTBF measured in decades, not the length of its warranty.
And I want stuff (in general) that is repairable. I'm utterly flabbergasted by the number of people who pay lip service to recycling and the environment but persist in filling the landfills with throwaway products. I believe we need regulations to deal with churning the customer base and planned obsolescence.
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Post by svart on Apr 5, 2019 17:57:48 GMT -6
Same. John's using a few anecdotes to justify his position, but as a person who actually deals with Asian production, I've found these stories are generally mythical, with folks whom are sure this happens having heard the stories from someone else who also heard this happens.. I've had bad dealings with USA companies, some in the UK, some in India, and yes, China. It's going to happen occasionally, that's just human nature. Modern Chinese production isn't a monopoly, and just like here, the bad eggs go out of business quickly, any are replaced by those vying for business by doing better work. Well some of the people I'm talking about are "name people" who I conversed with at AES.
When you're dealing with stuff like this "anecdotes" are about the only source of information that exists. You just have to consider the source of your anecdotes.
But I've said multiple times, I deal directly with Chinese and Asian manufactures.. so my anecdotes are from myself.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 5, 2019 18:15:25 GMT -6
I like rotary phones.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 5, 2019 18:17:02 GMT -6
I also like 1176-styled compressors. Anybody want to talk about the Black Lion Audio one that just came out?
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 5, 2019 20:02:12 GMT -6
I also like 1176-styled compressors. Anybody want to talk about the Black Lion Audio one that just came out? I want one.
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Post by seawell on Apr 5, 2019 20:47:52 GMT -6
I also like 1176-styled compressors. Anybody want to talk about the Black Lion Audio one that just came out? I’m actually looking forward to trying one out. I do like that they are taking a different approach with the CLA modded unit as opposed to just another Rev A clone.
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 6, 2019 4:13:18 GMT -6
I gave up reading through all the criticism. It doesn’t seem too high priced to me and a well built and spec’ed 76 is inherently good : surprised no one mentioned the wet/dry mix mod, which seems like good value to me? one thing about bla, since it was sold and bought, it’s still doing its thing, but I see it more as a manufacturer than as a boutique builder ?
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Post by iamasound on Apr 6, 2019 7:55:10 GMT -6
The blend is a bonus.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 6, 2019 8:16:17 GMT -6
I keep my blends on max. 😂😂
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Post by kcatthedog on Apr 6, 2019 8:28:39 GMT -6
Ah, then that’s no blend !
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Post by 000 on Apr 6, 2019 9:00:55 GMT -6
I just picked up a pair of the Lindell 500 series fets. That blend knob takes them from decent to great.
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Post by LesC on Apr 6, 2019 12:09:01 GMT -6
I've wondered about the advantage of blending during recording, is it used mostly for artist monitoring? Does it make enough difference to overcome insertion of an extra potentially signal-degrading pot in the signal path?
Or is it used during mixing, offering advantages over blending within the DAW similar to analog summing? I don't have nearly as much experience as most of you guys, please outline the advantages.
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 6, 2019 13:15:25 GMT -6
I've wondered about the advantage of blending during recording, is it used mostly for artist monitoring? Does it make enough difference to overcome insertion of an extra potentially signal-degrading pot in the signal path? Or is it used during mixing, offering advantages over blending within the DAW similar to analog summing? I don't have nearly as much experience as most of you guys, please outline the advantages. It’s useful for tracking or mixing. It provides an easy way of parallel processing. So if you like the compression but maybe it’s a little too heavy handed for you, or if you want to retain a more natural dynamic feel, you can blend the original, unprocessed signal in with the compressed signal until you get a sound you like.
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Post by LesC on Apr 6, 2019 13:45:16 GMT -6
Thank you, I guess my real question is the advantage of a blend pot versus blending within the DAW. If I'm recording with a compressor, I record both the raw and compressed vocal, then blend within the DAW during mixing. If I'm recording without a compressor, during mixing I can process the vocal and blend within the DAW.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 6, 2019 14:33:48 GMT -6
I'm just a total savage and crush everything.
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Post by drbill on Apr 6, 2019 15:27:34 GMT -6
I'm just a total savage and crush everything. ^^^^ Like that. Once upon a time - you know, back in the days of the records everyone tries to emulate - back in the day, it was rare to "parallel" process thru compressors. You either used em, hit em less hard & compressed less, or didn't use em. No blend needed. You know, back in the day.....
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 6, 2019 17:58:03 GMT -6
I use the blend/mix/parallel functions in almost every plugin compressor that offers it, mostly because it's so rare (IME) for a plugin compressor to get the attack envelope the way I want it.
Hardware is a different story for me, though honestly, I do wish my Audioscape Bus Comp had a mix knob. I've gotten used to the sound of parallel compression on drums.
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Post by miscend on Apr 7, 2019 5:20:10 GMT -6
I think one of the differences is that if you're Behringer, it's no big deal. You send your QC guy over, you threaten them to comply or else, and stuff generally goes well for you. If you're a small volume manufacturer, you have no leverage at all. And if a local vendor is screwing you, it's not that difficult to stop by, have a face to face with the owner and whatnot. They don’t need to, Behringer own their own factory complex in China. I think it’s called Behringer City or something like that. Their CEO who is now based in Asia, posts on regularly the other forum and was waxing poetic about their facility in China not too long ago. The main issue with Behringer is that their circuit designs are either mediocre or quite bad. Their 500 series lunchboxes for example have noise issues and low head room as a result of a poorly implemented power supply. I’ve read this from three sources who have actually analysed the circuit and done tests.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 7, 2019 11:46:29 GMT -6
I've wondered about the advantage of blending during recording, is it used mostly for artist monitoring? Does it make enough difference to overcome insertion of an extra potentially signal-degrading pot in the signal path? Or is it used during mixing, offering advantages over blending within the DAW similar to analog summing? I don't have nearly as much experience as most of you guys, please outline the advantages. It can save an extra channel on the console. Not everybody mixes ITB or uses a DAW.
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Post by LesC on Apr 7, 2019 12:32:10 GMT -6
I've wondered about the advantage of blending during recording, is it used mostly for artist monitoring? Does it make enough difference to overcome insertion of an extra potentially signal-degrading pot in the signal path? Or is it used during mixing, offering advantages over blending within the DAW similar to analog summing? I don't have nearly as much experience as most of you guys, please outline the advantages. It can save an extra channel on the console. Not everybody mixes ITB or uses a DAW. I see, that makes sense.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 7, 2019 13:18:07 GMT -6
The thing some folks seem to be missing is this is not just another 1176 clone competing to sound like the more expensive Universal Audio version. That whole market can be a race to the bottom sometimes. That’s not to say there aren’t some good sounding products down at the bottom. It’s a reverse engineered copy of an 1176 compressor that had many modifications over a long period of time, each one building on top of the previous modification, sometimes left unfinished at different stages, so it’s a Frankenstein.
So the real question is does it sound unique enough to make you want to buy it. Since I’m especially interested in getting a good vocal sound, and CLA uses this on most every vocal he’s been involved with, I’m really curious to hear it for myself.
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Post by raddistribution on Apr 8, 2019 9:37:37 GMT -6
So the real question is does it sound unique enough to make you want to buy it. it sounds unique enough that CLA specifically uses on lead vocals on almost every single mix while the other 3 are used for other purposes. The voicing changes and transient response differences are quite noticeable.
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