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Post by ericn on Nov 30, 2018 9:18:52 GMT -6
414 clones. Lewitt, Stam, Warm, AKG's own, thoughts on which you prefer and why? Personal favorite is a C414EB with the teflon capsule replaced with a brass. Why? The weight in the tone. PLus, still has the sparkle of a C12a 412 or early 414. I think your best bet is still a real Teflon EB and a Tim Campbell CK12. Honestly in the world of mics it’s still a bargain. The only thing that came close that I have used is the Lawson 251 head on the FET body, but it just wasn’t as open, it always felt like it was voiced more for vocals rather than the do everything utility of a 414. Now take that mic and send it to Jim Williams and it suddenly becomes one of the worlds best mics for finger picking guitar.
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Post by Ward on Nov 30, 2018 9:20:36 GMT -6
Agreed with ericn a billion percent
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Post by ericn on Nov 30, 2018 9:32:52 GMT -6
Agreed with ericn a billion percent Yeah It’s funny about a week ago I got a email about Peluso’s take on the EB and I priced out buying an EB vs the Peluso, figured either would need one of Tim’s CK12’s and it was why bother with the Peluso? I think this brings up another point at what point is it not worth the savings of a budget clone vs highend clone or the real deal ? I mean at some point we will see a KT 160x for $179 but I can get the real thing at that price. The clones I would buy today would probably be CAPI, AML Audio Scape, Heritage Vintech and maybe Warm. Mostly for the way they do buisness as much as for the sound.
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Post by Guitar on Nov 30, 2018 10:09:22 GMT -6
Peluso has one too. It has this hideous long dongle sticking out the bottom of it. I would never buy it for that reason.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 30, 2018 10:18:22 GMT -6
The Peluso will most likely be on the bright side too.
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Post by ericn on Nov 30, 2018 10:30:24 GMT -6
Peluso has one too. It has this hideous long dongle sticking out the bottom of it. I would never buy it for that reason. It looks stupid but I bet it keeps Samsung’s lawyers away!
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Post by ericn on Nov 30, 2018 10:32:10 GMT -6
The Peluso will most likely be on the bright side too. Probably, if I were to buy one, I won’t be but if I did it would only be used with the stock capsules to make sure it wasn’t DOA!
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Post by Ward on Nov 30, 2018 10:44:01 GMT -6
Peluso has one too. It has this hideous long dongle sticking out the bottom of it. I would never buy it for that reason. the visual is part of what we do, so I agree . . . esthetics are important. And the less cumbersome a microphone, the easier it is to position in places where you would use such a microphone.
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Post by Ward on Nov 30, 2018 10:44:24 GMT -6
The Peluso will most likely be on the bright side too. Are the capsules made in Jina?
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Post by mulmany on Nov 30, 2018 11:01:39 GMT -6
The Peluso will most likely be on the bright side too. Are the capsules made in Jina? Everything I have read states they are. Them and one other manufacturer use the same capsule.
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Post by Ward on Nov 30, 2018 11:06:50 GMT -6
Are the capsules made in Jina? Everything I have read states they are. Them and one other manufacturer use the same capsule. I think I know who you might be referring to. I pass on capsules from Jina at this time whenever possible... preferring ones from Tim, Shannon, Danny and company.
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Post by ericn on Nov 30, 2018 11:20:25 GMT -6
Everything I have read states they are. Them and one other manufacturer use the same capsule. I think I know who you might be referring to. I pass on capsules from Jina at this time whenever possible... preferring ones from Tim, Shannon, Danny and company. Yeah that’s the problem with most affordable clone mics, the capsule is 90% of the sound but why spend money on that? I mean the looks and brand name parts are where it’s at! I do have a Thirsch Capsule laying around that I find myself wondering what it would sound like in a Warm 47, but then I think that I would want to send it to Shannon anyway so why bother?
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 30, 2018 13:14:34 GMT -6
The Peluso will most likely be on the bright side too. Are the capsules made in Jina? My understanding is they are made in China, but skinned over here by Peluso.
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Post by sirthought on Nov 30, 2018 15:19:05 GMT -6
Are Peluso products that bad? I hear a lot of disrespect here, but I've never used one.
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Post by EmRR on Nov 30, 2018 17:10:11 GMT -6
Are Peluso products that bad? I hear a lot of disrespect here, but I've never used one. They were the favorite hot-shit new thing until they weren't. No personal experience.
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Post by sirthought on Nov 30, 2018 18:07:21 GMT -6
Are Peluso products that bad? I hear a lot of disrespect here, but I've never used one. They were the favorite hot-shit new thing until they weren't. No personal experience. That's been my observation, as well. I wonder if something changed?
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Post by notneeson on Nov 30, 2018 18:19:51 GMT -6
They were the favorite hot-shit new thing until they weren't. No personal experience. That's been my observation, as well. I wonder if something changed? My memory is that they were basically first to market doing what they do at that price point. Now there's a lot more competition.
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Post by Vincent R. on Nov 30, 2018 18:32:09 GMT -6
Are Peluso products that bad? I hear a lot of disrespect here, but I've never used one. They are similar to advanced audio’s offerings. They are a bit more polished than advanced audio, with circuits closer to the originals, but with liberties. They are solid, dependable mics, but overal they are more open with less low end than a more expensive clone, or their vintage counterparts. They get you in the ball park, but you’re not exactly sitting near the field.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 30, 2018 19:23:41 GMT -6
Back in the day nobody bought anything without a several weeks demo to figure out if the new product improved anything over what the studio already had. Stuff that flunked that test disappeared while the gear that passed is now considered "classic." The original idea of the Distressor was to make an 1176 replacement available after new ones had disappeared from the market.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 5, 2018 20:33:44 GMT -6
My Peluso 2247 SE is good, I've used it on a lot of main vocals on albums.
Some of the other peluso stuff I tried, like the CEK-12 capsules, and the CEMC6 pencil mics... I couldn't use them after the "three week test" they had to go.
The whole line of products are overpriced in today's market, down to expensive semi-custom accessories, tubes, etc.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 8, 2019 21:37:34 GMT -6
The new Peluso P414 actually sounds nice. Like most Peluso Mics it’s a tad brighter than it’s vintage counterpart. I’d love to hear it next to AKG’s current offering. That would be more important to me than how it compares to the original if you’re looking to get a pair for your studio.
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Post by pope on Jan 9, 2019 3:09:15 GMT -6
AFAIK Lewitt was founded by ex-AKG stuff that left when AKG bought by Samsung.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 9, 2019 8:51:45 GMT -6
That does sound pretty nice vincent! Thanks for posting that video.
I think a pair of C12 or 414 mics is a big hole lacking in my collection.
As well as a K47 / M7 utility pair.
I'm hoping to do some DIY mics with these sorts of capsules.
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Post by Vincent R. on Jan 17, 2019 22:20:00 GMT -6
My new microphone shootout is live. I thought it would be easier to open a separate thread for the video and just put a note in the threads about the microphones featured. realgearonline.com/post/184316/thread
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 13, 2020 7:42:48 GMT -6
Well, it makes sense that might happen Ward. A carefully well made product always has the potential to improve upon an original. Do they reach that potential is the question though.
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