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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 14, 2019 17:31:07 GMT -6
Yes, the 0-11 is a little smoother and fatter, not quite as bright, than a KM-84, it's tube mic, the 0-13 is FET with faster transients. I preferred the 0-13 myself.
Here's a video I did a while back using the Soyuz 0-17 and the 0-11 (both tubes mics). It's not a shootout, just me faking playing to the simple tracks. I recorded the guitar and vocal separately, with one 0-11 above my shoulder, one in front of the guitar. I blended in just a pinch of the overhead as if it was an EQ, didn't seem to have any phase issues recorded that way either.
You can hear the 0-11 and 0-17 quite nicely though.
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 14, 2019 20:32:02 GMT -6
Yea man, I think this was the first video I may have ever seen when I heard of Soyuz. I think they are just great sounding mics. Nice work!
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Post by Ward on Feb 15, 2019 6:50:25 GMT -6
Wow. I definitely don't hear it as veiled. That is very interesting.
Do you like the KM184 as much as the 84s?
I've never gotten to use a KM84. I know that I like the KM184 so much that the KM84 is bound to work for me as well, since they use the same capsule design. I always love the KM84 when it comes up in videos and shootouts. The KM184 I know personally is my benchmark from things I've had the fortune to own for some time. I sometimes get super focused on transient response and top end. In that sense, you start to hear the differences between these mics, between mic preamps, and so on. There's a lot of ways to sound wrong and only a few that sound "right." I think when it comes to SDC I am stuck on Neumann as my benchmark. Everything else compares to that. In my case, the KSM137 specifically works for me on drum overheads, and the Oktava specifically works all right for me on acoustic guitars. Not quite as much if you switch the sources and mics around. So I'm at a happy place, until I can afford to buy some Neumanns. The KM184 would have been more useful during the days of 30ips tape and no n/r. The extra abrassive added top-end would have been tamed by the ferrous oxide and it would've come out being neutral. The KM84, these days, doesn't need to be EQ'ed. That's the biggest difference. It sounds finished. |
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Post by iamasound on Feb 17, 2019 21:38:39 GMT -6
Heaven knows, these mics sound stellar.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 17, 2019 22:03:39 GMT -6
Thanks Tamasound. I may have an 0-13 to try next month and I'll do some experimenting with that and a KM-84.
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Post by WKG on Feb 21, 2019 18:36:02 GMT -6
How is the self noise with the SU13? I recall a shootout where it was higher than other mics tested. Really intrigued by the SU-013 and have seen this mentioned in a few places.
Anyone with hands on care to comment?
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Post by drsax on Feb 21, 2019 19:27:52 GMT -6
How is the self noise with the SU13? I recall a shootout where it was higher than other mics tested. Really intrigued by the SU-013 and have seen this mentioned in a few places.
Anyone with hands on care to comment?
some have tested it as having a bit more noise than say a KM84, but I haven’t noticed anything problematic at all. If you listen to the Acoustic Guitar clip I posted in this thread last week, it’s prettty darn pristine |
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 21, 2019 23:05:01 GMT -6
Really intrigued by the SU-013 and have seen this mentioned in a few places.
Anyone with hands on care to comment?
some have tested it as having a bit more noise than say a KM84, but I haven’t noticed anything problematic at all. If you listen to the Acoustic Guitar clip I posted in this thread last week, it’s prettty darn pristine Yep, agreed. I haven't noticed anything noisy about it. Its self noise is certainly lower than the ambient noise in my current recording space. My SA-2A is like 4000% noisier, and I'm not afraid to take a vocal through it twice (once tracking, once mixing). |
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Post by ericn on Feb 22, 2019 7:35:42 GMT -6
One man’s “mids” is another man’s “brighter.” I hear the 84 as slightly brighter - but not in a bad way. I think this is the most important and forgotten concepts. While any of the classics can be magical, it’s not guaranteed to be the magic wand you need to get the magic your after. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Feb 22, 2019 12:23:24 GMT -6
One man’s “mids” is another man’s “brighter.” I hear the 84 as slightly brighter - but not in a bad way. I think this is the most important and forgotten concepts. While any of the classics can be magical, it’s not guaranteed to be the magic wand you need to get the magic your after. So so true. It all depends on the situation. They probably work more often than not, but that is not always. |
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Post by deehope on Feb 22, 2019 17:22:12 GMT -6
Anyone using these on vocals? Km84 is almost perfect on my voice.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 22, 2019 20:22:36 GMT -6
Funny you should ask. The KM84 is a really good vocal mic, especially with a pop filter and a good singer. I compared the KM84 to the Soyuz 0-13 for vocals, and the 0-13 was even better for vocals. It wasn't like it was a close call, it was demonstrably a better vocal mic when I tried it. Sorry I don't have the files to show you.
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Post by deehope on Feb 22, 2019 20:50:58 GMT -6
Funny you should ask. The KM84 is a really good vocal mic, especially with a pop filter and a good singer. I compared the KM84 to the Soyuz 0-13 for vocals, and the 0-13 was even better for vocals. It wasn't like it was a close call, it was demonstrably a better vocal mic when I tried it. Sorry I don't have the files to show you. I'm guessing more of an open top end, maybe a bit more articulate for lack of a better word? If so I'm sold |
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 22, 2019 21:00:24 GMT -6
I've actually got a song where I tracked two acoustic guitars (two separate takes) and the lead vocal (overdubbed) all with an 013. I did it right after I got my 013s just as a test. I'm not in a spot where I can post it (I'm currently holed up in a hotel room with the flu), but I can post it in a couple of days once I'm cleared to go home. The short version is: it sounded great on vocals.  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 22, 2019 22:43:45 GMT -6
Deehope, it has more gain and is simultaneously quieter. For vocals it's fuller, even more transparent.
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Post by deehope on Feb 22, 2019 23:38:07 GMT -6
Deehope, it has more gain and is simultaneously quieter. For vocals it's fuller, even more transparent. thx Martin. Wow... mic locker wishlist keeps getting bigger lol |
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 23, 2019 0:26:11 GMT -6
I should add that I've only tried the 013 on *my* voice, not anyone else's. But it got a nice, full, chesty tone that would probably surprise a lot of people upon learning it was an SDC.
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Post by hadaja on Feb 23, 2019 0:53:17 GMT -6
Yep some SDC 's work quite nicely. I remeber using a .beyer mc930 quite a bit in the earlier days. Helped that it was also hypercardiod and had good rejection for bad accoustics.
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Post by Guitar on Feb 23, 2019 9:16:29 GMT -6
KSM137, KSM141, that's another mic you can use on almost any source and get away with it. Real "workhorse."
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Post by deehope on Feb 23, 2019 16:49:04 GMT -6
I should add that I've only tried the 013 on *my* voice, not anyone else's. But it got a nice, full, chesty tone that would probably surprise a lot of people upon learning it was an SDC. that's exactly how I would describe what the km84 does to my voice |
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 23, 2019 17:02:45 GMT -6
I should add that I've only tried the 013 on *my* voice, not anyone else's. But it got a nice, full, chesty tone that would probably surprise a lot of people upon learning it was an SDC. that's exactly how I would describe what the km84 does to my voice Right on. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2019 2:21:55 GMT -6
I was shocked when I tried my KM84 on my own voice, best I've ever heard it. Immediately had people asking "What was the vocal chain?"
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 24, 2019 11:39:30 GMT -6
How is the self noise with the SU13? I recall a shootout where it was higher than other mics tested. Really intrigued by the SU-013 and have seen this mentioned in a few places.
Anyone with hands on care to comment?
That’s one negative, I would say. Seems like there’s a high noise floor. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 24, 2019 11:42:22 GMT -6
Really intrigued by the SU-013 and have seen this mentioned in a few places.
Anyone with hands on care to comment?
That’s one negative, I would say. Seems like there’s a high noise floor. But Mine has also hit the floor about five times because of the damn clip. Need to tape it in. |
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Post by Guitar on Feb 24, 2019 12:08:30 GMT -6
SDC are noisier than LDC "in general" because of physics, and they also "in general" have better off axis response compared to LDC. There's a really good article out there somewhere I think it was by Schoeps.
Just something to keep in mind I guess, comparing apples to apples and also oranges.
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