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Post by Guitar on Mar 14, 2018 15:56:32 GMT -6
I've had broken gear new in box from Presonus, Bugera, whatever, it does happen in some manufacturing, and unfortunately it's not all that uncommon. What matters is the backup service, as you all have said. Especially with new products on the market. It can take a time or two to work out the kinks in the manufacturing. First runs are often troublesome.
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Post by ragan on Mar 14, 2018 15:58:13 GMT -6
There are a lot of people out there who just don’t like the idea of Warm Audio, thus the constant, dogmatic need to try and diminish it. I'm not an Uber taxi fan either! Just for the record I was referring to the ridiculous “Warm Audio makes distortion boxes” comment, not your post.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 14, 2018 16:07:25 GMT -6
My pick in the SoundPure shootout was the Great River I guess. I didn't particularly like the Warm here (whoops) although the BAE was not really that great either, but pretty good. I guess the Vintech split the difference.
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Post by M57 on Mar 14, 2018 16:34:57 GMT -6
Interesting thx well I preferred b and d, then c and a least but the body and presence here I liked might not matter at all once you introduce the eq and in a mix ? I pretty much agree, though I thought d and c were similar. b is the Great River, right? I would be very happy with D or C though. The Warm sounds pretty damn good to me. I have a hard time believing that the Vintech (a?) got a fair shot. It wasn't even in the ballpark.
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 14, 2018 19:09:22 GMT -6
B & D jumped out at me right away, but C definitely didn't suck. I was surprised by A. Honestly I pegged A as the Warm, B as the BAE, C as the Vintech, and D as the Great River. I think I liked the great river the best, but it was close with the BAE.
I'm surprised at how good the Warm sounded. I am by no means someone who is "down" on Warm. I had a WA12 for a while. I liked it, but found it wasn't my thing. Not that it was lacking in anyway. I just leaned toward my ACMP-84 (neve 1084 clone) or one of my tube pres first. I think for the money that 273 looks really good... although, knowing me I might be eying a great river down the road.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 14, 2018 19:25:27 GMT -6
There are a lot of people out there who just don’t like the idea of Warm Audio, thus the constant, dogmatic need to try and diminish it. I posted in that purple thread and immediately regretted it. Ugh. Viva RGO! You are forgiven, my child.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 14, 2018 19:34:54 GMT -6
Well I am relieved as I have a wa273eq ordered, would have been ackward if I picked it last !
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Post by Quint on Mar 14, 2018 20:17:02 GMT -6
A: Vintech x73i B: Great River MP-2NV C: Warm Audio WA273eq D: BAE 1073EQ *I would not trust even basic information posted on the purple site as a primary source. By the way, the x73i is the least exciting of the 4 to my ear but I personally have gotten great sounds with those in the past. Just goes to show ya. My blind preference was C Warm B Great River D BAE A Vintech The Warm seemed to be the brightest of the four, so that could possibly be the biggest reason I subconsciously ended up preferring it. The Warm and Great River seemed to be the least strident of the four, and similarly so. I agree with you about the Vintech sounding the least exciting, though I think that is at least in part to it sounding the least bright to me. The Warm had a little more bass than the Great River, though I thought the Great River sounded the most "even". I thought the BAE and Vintech sounded pretty similar. I'll say that the "even-ness" of the Great River was really appealing, beyond the whole discussion of what is the most "Neve". All of this being said, I would eq each of these differently. Which of these is the most "Neve"? I don't know and there would need to be a vintage 1073 in the mix to provide a baseline comparison. I don't know that I care. So it's a bit hard to say which of these I would ultimately like the best once mic, eq, and compression choices were introduced into the equation. I didn't dislike any of them or find that any of them stood out as being obviously the best or obviously the worst. It's also YouTube, so there's that. I didn't hear anything that didn't sound pretty good in it's own right or that would be something I couldn't work with.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 14, 2018 20:52:21 GMT -6
I used the Great River, and I thought it was excellent, but I gotta say my little Stam SA73 actually feels like a Neve console to me. I have no doubt the Warm is good. I didn't listen to the files yet.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 15, 2018 8:07:05 GMT -6
The Warm had a little more bass than the Great River, though I thought the Great River sounded the most "even". I thought the BAE and Vintech sounded pretty similar. I'll say that the "even-ness" of the Great River was really appealing, beyond the whole discussion of what is the most "Neve". Goes to show that we all hear things differently. I thought the Great River sounded much richer than the Warm in the lows. Great River was warmer than the Warm to my ears (pun intended haha). I've never used a GR preamp, but really liked what I heard here.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 15, 2018 8:15:01 GMT -6
Yeah I heard the GR as being big and smooth, and the Warm as being a little peakey on top.
BAE almost had this flat sort of API sound in some weird way. Sorry if this description is hard to understand. I have always heard the BAE like this. Like just one step back from being "up front." And maybe a little "clean" or something.
If I had a bunch of Great River and BAE strips I'd be sitting pretty.
Realistically... my actual options are going to be more SCA N72 and the AML stuff.
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Post by ragan on Mar 15, 2018 8:19:54 GMT -6
I haven’t listened to these clips but in all of my preamp searching, I landed on the Great River. I love it to pieces.
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Post by mikec on Mar 15, 2018 8:20:34 GMT -6
I had a Great River in my rack a few years back and it is one of the preamps I regret selling the most. Not sure why I did it, must have been lusting after something else.
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Post by notneeson on Mar 15, 2018 8:30:25 GMT -6
Maybe, what? 10 years ago? ...the GR was the internet’s favorite preamp.
No doubt it’s an excellent piece.
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 16, 2018 9:11:27 GMT -6
B & D jumped out at me right away, but C definitely didn't suck. I was surprised by A. Honestly I pegged A as the Warm, B as the BAE, C as the Vintech, and D as the Great River. I think I liked the great river the best, but it was close with the BAE. I'm surprised at how good the Warm sounded. I am by no means someone who is "down" on Warm. I had a WA12 for a while. I liked it, but found it wasn't my thing. Not that it was lacking in anyway. I just leaned toward my ACMP-84 (neve 1084 clone) or one of my tube pres first. I think for the money that 273 looks really good... although, knowing me I might be eying a great river down the road. Here are the Hi Res Files: drive.google.com/open?id=1c0pkX8TIrdlOIbtS8MRYmdwzpl2vUnIx
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 17, 2018 0:29:29 GMT -6
My WA273EQ should be here next week, can’t wait: very curious to hear this first hand.
Bryce has shared with me some of his impressions re: the build quality and the transformers specifically the Mairinairs and their special tone and vintage sound like the original desks. The Warm neve was not designed for the more modern subsequent Carnhill sound.
So, that more vintage sound and texture is really what I can’t wait to introduce into my front end with the eq too and during mix down on say drum overheads ,vocals,guitars, hey, where ever it sounds right !
Going to be fun !
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 17, 2018 11:02:58 GMT -6
I used the Great River, and I thought it was excellent, but I gotta say my little Stam SA73 actually feels like a Neve console to me. I have no doubt the Warm is good. I didn't listen to the files yet. Frankly, if Stam made one with an EQ I'd probably be all over that. The Stam at your place was surprisingly open on the top but harmonically rich in the low end. It's a nice piece.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 17, 2018 11:08:19 GMT -6
I used the Great River, and I thought it was excellent, but I gotta say my little Stam SA73 actually feels like a Neve console to me. I have no doubt the Warm is good. I didn't listen to the files yet. Frankly, if Stam made one with an EQ I'd probably be all over that. The Stam at your place was surprisingly open on the top but harmonically rich in the low end. It's a nice piece. They have one of those "coming up" who knows how long though...
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Post by drbill on Mar 17, 2018 11:42:03 GMT -6
Logged into Revive this morning to check on getting some of my DBX's modded and was hit with a big bad "mod your WA73" banner. They've got modded vs. unmodded clips up. Seems like those guys are on it already. Maybe fix some of the issues people are hearing with it. reviveaudio.comCheers,
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 17, 2018 12:34:21 GMT -6
Logged into Revive this morning to check on getting some of my DBX's modded and was hit with a big bad "mod your WA73" banner. They've got modded vs. unmodded clips up. Seems like those guys are on it already. Maybe fix some of the issues people are hearing with it. reviveaudio.comCheers, I’ve been planning on having them mod my TNC ACMP-84 for a while now. Just haven’t had the chance. The clips of the warm mod sounds good.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 17, 2018 13:43:38 GMT -6
Seems a little premature:). Gee, just bought a new car, think I’ll have the engine re and re’d:) As usual, on gs the opinions were all over the place. The people who said they returned units, I question how serious they were? Then others with multiple units say they are completely happy. Whether they sound the way you expected them to sound, what ever that means, is a lot different then there being issues with them ? Personally, if I had only listened to the one shoot out, I would never buy a vintec, but of course, it’s not bad or low quality pre at all. I think Bryce’s comment about the transformer differences very telling as some people may think different transformers sound the same, when they don’t or not like their expectations. I am thinking when I get mine that I might put on the parts that stam but keep the stock tranny is using in one side of mine and then split the signal and record the same source and see how much of a difference that makes? I like my Revive Audio Dbx and have thought about sending one wa76 to see but I can buy a used wa76 for about 1/3 more than the total mod/shipping cost and would rather have a whole other comp then a mod .
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Post by Guitar on Mar 17, 2018 13:50:50 GMT -6
That GS thread is insane... ludicrous... hilariously bad and all over the place.
The only thing I really got there is just the sound clips. If you like the Warm sound, and yours isn't broken in the box, why not keep it?
However, as a DIY-er, for the same money I'm looking right at the AML kit. One day.
It's a shame the Heritage Elite is not being compared more.
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Post by notneeson on Mar 17, 2018 14:08:08 GMT -6
Seems a little premature:). Gee, just bought a new car, think I’ll have the engine re and re’d:) As usual, on gs the opinions were all over the place. The people who said they returned units, I question how serious they were? Then others with multiple units say they are completely happy. Whether they sound the way you expected them to sound, what ever that means, is a lot different then there being issues with them ? Personally, if I had only listened to the one shoot out, I would never buy a vintec, but of course, it’s not bad or low quality pre at all. I think Bryce’s comment about the transformer differences very telling as some people may think different transformers sound the same, when they don’t or not like their expectations. I am thinking when I get mine that I might put on the parts that stam but keep the stock tranny is using in one side of mine and then split the signal and record the same source and see how much of a difference that makes? I like my Revive Audio Dbx and have thought about sending one wa76 to see but I can buy a used wa76 for about 1/3 more than the total mod/shipping cost and would rather have a whole other comp then a mod . Warm's price point itself makes it an easy target for this kind of pitch. Especially for the kind of folks who are expecting it to remove all the suck from their recordings... my new pre didn't change my reality, maybe these mods will finally put my tracks over the edge. The Revive mods might be great, but I'm extremely skeptical of any claim that mods will make the Warm sound like a vintage 1073. Excited to hear more from both Warm and Heritage buying homies here on RGO.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 17, 2018 15:14:05 GMT -6
We all have our preferences, personally I like to get to know a piece of new gear. It’s good to understand the differences in the build of clones of the same type as then you will better understand causes of sonic differences.
When I was listening to the shoot out, I found myself wondering once you started eqing, adding comp doing what ever else in your mix,bet those different pre tracks would end up in the mix sounding very similar?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 20, 2018 6:16:13 GMT -6
Well, there is either a lot of metal in this thing or they are using lead shot, my shipping info indicates it weighs 16 pounds ?
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