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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 10, 2022 5:50:28 GMT -6
Do you have any Amish friends or
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Post by jhsmastering on Jan 10, 2022 7:34:08 GMT -6
Dude, so sorry to hear about this...that sucks at the highest level. Any way I can help, let me know. Thanks man. Know a guy that can break some knees? Actually, I know a guy. 😂 Lol yeah, I know a few...sounds like you have it handled though! Prayers going up that you find a better and more permanent solution.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 10, 2022 7:58:30 GMT -6
Jesse, if you can do 150k for a buildout you'd be better off to put that money as a down payment on a property. If you need to do drums in the meantime, come to my place. The 150k would be for a build out on mom's property. Home addition that I'd be paying back for years. I don't have the credit or money to finance the cost of an actual property myself.
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Post by jaba on Jan 10, 2022 9:22:41 GMT -6
Heartbreaking to read this. I wish you the very best in getting back on your feet.
I have no experience in building a studio but have done much of my work in a small studio that was built in a buddy's back yard (he had a contractor in the family which helped). Not huge but very unique, lots of killer gear and great vibe. It takes up most of the limited back yard but it's been in business for a quarter century now with no real issues.
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Post by svart on Jan 10, 2022 10:03:41 GMT -6
Going to be hard to get a loan for a "building" without a business plan. A bank might even want licenses, permits and surveys done before they loan too. In this era of building things, costs are ridiculous and then there's finding contractors to even do the work.
Friends of mine decided to start flipping houses a year ago to cash in on the housing bubble. It took them months to find a contractor that would even work with them. Once they did it took months to get all the permits. Then they couldn't get drywallers, plumbers, electricians, painters, etc., on board either. What was supposed to take 3 months took over a year and it's killed any profit they might have made.
I don't want to be debbie downer, but building something is just NOT feasible these days unless you can do all the work yourself.
It's much better to buy something premade and just "remodeling" the interior. Should be much easier to get a loan for a remodel too.
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Post by tkaitkai on Jan 10, 2022 11:40:36 GMT -6
Man, this is heartbreaking to read. Sorry you have to go through this jcoutu1. Landlords suck. That's a totally fucking callous move on his part. Wish I had more practical advice, but I think everyone has already given some real words of wisdom. Sending you good vibes. You'll get through this and come out stronger and better because of it.
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Post by drbill on Jan 10, 2022 11:42:21 GMT -6
and there's another real estate bubble waiting to pop. I believed that for a long time. But this last year I've seen the demand for new houses and how much they cost to build with inflated materials prices. My conclusion with the UBER expensive RE market is that essentially, it's not even keeping up with the cost to build, so I'm not sure we're going to see the bubble pop anytime soon. Unless materials prices plummet, housing costs will continue to rise. Purchase first, but rental prices will follow eventually. Side Real Estate note : I needed to help a family member get into a place of their own this last year. Damn near killed me. I had to bid 10% + over asking, there were 9 other bidders. Got the place (thankfully). The property was WAY overpriced BEFORE I overbid it IMO, and it's gone up almost 35% since we closed on it mid-August 2020. Even if the bubble pops and properties drop 50%, they will still be uber expensive. Inflation is here guys.....
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Post by ragan on Jan 10, 2022 11:48:31 GMT -6
And the current housing price paradigm is driven but the underlying fundamentals, not insane banking products like in ~2008. There’s just too much demand and not enough supply. It’s not a ‘bubble’ in the common way we use that term. I was flipping houses before I went back to school. Great when you sell, absolutely terrible when you buy.
Really sorry to hear about your space, Jesse. Hang in there man.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 10, 2022 12:16:10 GMT -6
Really sorry to hear this, especially from a fellow New Englander! At the risk of sounding simplistic I think there are two ways to have a studio these days--own the building outright or set yourself up to be nimble to move on with minimal financial loss when needed. Option B usually eliminates expensive build outs and a swanky decor. But a lot of music can be made renting single use rooms using gear, connectivity, and room treatment that can move with you. With the music industry the way it is right now I'd rather invest in a portable vocal booth or gobos than make expensive improvements to someone else's property. If a long term solution seems impossible right now maybe opt for the "light footprint" approach. You can make any space your own. And even if you're not looking to be there long term clients won't make that distinction--they'll just be happy to be in a studio with you making great music! Yeah Mobile/transportable rigs seem to be the way forward. Multichannel utilitarian gear or racks over special pieces except for a few pieces. More are moving ITB as plugins get better but a the selection of great ones is still pretty pitiful vs analog. Monitor speakers with computer modeled waveguides or cthat work in worse rooms are getting more common but they're not really better than they were a a few years ago or better than the more traditional speakers. Hopefully Kali will produce a successor to the sick JBL 708. That's how it is for me. Light enough footprint of a studio rig to move from place to place without taking several days. It's a great "way of being" that you brought up LPEdrum!! I've sort of done this out of necessity, but it's also a cheaper studio to buy and outfit, for anyone with less of a budget. You can be a bit of a music nomad. Just ask me about some good plugins and I'll recommend you them, LOL!! Big stacks of racks aren't really on the menu. Although I do have three and two halves of these wimpy SKB style things that are easy enough to pick up and move, if needed. One thing I've seen "Producers" do is get these heavy duty touring racks, flight cases, like 18U or something, with casters on the bottom, so you can roll them out to your truck or whatever, and roll them in to the space that you're producing in. It's like the "big studio" setup but still vaguely nomadic. Nigel Godrich has one of these rigs he calls it his "home studio" which is hilarious because it's $100,000s of thousands of vintage high end gear, plus a tape machine and an API console. Probably take you a full day or so to set this kind of thing up if you really bust ass and have a couple helpers.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jan 10, 2022 12:52:44 GMT -6
Yeah Mobile/transportable rigs seem to be the way forward. Multichannel utilitarian gear or racks over special pieces except for a few pieces. More are moving ITB as plugins get better but a the selection of great ones is still pretty pitiful vs analog. Monitor speakers with computer modeled waveguides or cthat work in worse rooms are getting more common but they're not really better than they were a a few years ago or better than the more traditional speakers. Hopefully Kali will produce a successor to the sick JBL 708. That's how it is for me. Light enough footprint of a studio rig to move from place to place without taking several days. It's a great "way of being" that you brought up LPEdrum!! I've sort of done this out of necessity, but it's also a cheaper studio to buy and outfit, for anyone with less of a budget. You can be a bit of a music nomad. Just ask me about some good plugins and I'll recommend you them, LOL!! Big stacks of racks aren't really on the menu. Although I do have three and two halves of these wimpy SKB style things that are easy enough to pick up and move, if needed. One thing I've seen "Producers" do is get these heavy duty touring racks, flight cases, like 18U or something, with casters on the bottom, so you can roll them out to your truck or whatever, and roll them in to the space that you're producing in. It's like the "big studio" setup but still vaguely nomadic. Nigel Godrich has one of these rigs he calls it his "home studio" which is hilarious because it's $100,000s of thousands of vintage high end gear, plus a tape machine and an API console. Probably take you a full day or so to set this kind of thing up if you really bust ass and have a couple helpers. Ryan Freeland has a setup like this. All gear is in road cases that he can pack up and ship wherever. Even though he has a very nice studio setup, he can move wherever. I believe he shipped his entire rig, mic stands and all out to the east coast to track the Ray Lamantagne record he did.
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Post by lpedrum on Jan 10, 2022 13:53:24 GMT -6
Yeah Mobile/transportable rigs seem to be the way forward. Multichannel utilitarian gear or racks over special pieces except for a few pieces. More are moving ITB as plugins get better but a the selection of great ones is still pretty pitiful vs analog. Monitor speakers with computer modeled waveguides or cthat work in worse rooms are getting more common but they're not really better than they were a a few years ago or better than the more traditional speakers. Hopefully Kali will produce a successor to the sick JBL 708. That's how it is for me. Light enough footprint of a studio rig to move from place to place without taking several days. It's a great "way of being" that you brought up LPEdrum!! I've sort of done this out of necessity, but it's also a cheaper studio to buy and outfit, for anyone with less of a budget. You can be a bit of a music nomad. Just ask me about some good plugins and I'll recommend you them, LOL!! Big stacks of racks aren't really on the menu. Although I do have three and two halves of these wimpy SKB style things that are easy enough to pick up and move, if needed. One thing I've seen "Producers" do is get these heavy duty touring racks, flight cases, like 18U or something, with casters on the bottom, so you can roll them out to your truck or whatever, and roll them in to the space that you're producing in. It's like the "big studio" setup but still vaguely nomadic. Nigel Godrich has one of these rigs he calls it his "home studio" which is hilarious because it's $100,000s of thousands of vintage high end gear, plus a tape machine and an API console. Probably take you a full day or so to set this kind of thing up if you really bust ass and have a couple helpers. A few years ago I needed to move my studio space 3 times within 3 years. The third time around I embraced the idea of not needing to think long term and it’s been freeing. I currently rent a month to month space in a building owned by a family business. I could be here another five years or forced to leave in a month. I’m not talking about just tucking a laptop under my arm and moving on. Everything I’ve invested in the past couple of years— gear, acoustic panels, furniture, can all be easily moved to where I end up next as I’ve invested nothing in the property itself (learned that the hard way with my previous place.) The building or the address doesn’t define me. In that regard my goals and dreams haven’t died, they’ve just evolved.
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Post by drbill on Jan 10, 2022 14:11:45 GMT -6
if you're going to go the mobile route - I highly suggest every rack equipped with Elco connectors. Makes moving a full blown studio a piece of cake. A couple dozen (or so) connections vs hundreds or even a thousand connections. Definitely worth the effort.
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Post by jmoose on Jan 10, 2022 14:33:48 GMT -6
Going to be hard to get a loan for a "building" without a business plan. A bank might even want licenses, permits and surveys done before they loan too. In this era of building things, costs are ridiculous and then there's finding contractors to even do the work. Friends of mine decided to start flipping houses a year ago to cash in on the housing bubble. It took them months to find a contractor that would even work with them. Once they did it took months to get all the permits. Then they couldn't get drywallers, plumbers, electricians, painters, etc., on board either. What was supposed to take 3 months took over a year and it's killed any profit they might have made. Banks absolutely need permits, drawings & recent surveys before you get a loan. Not a property survey from 30 years ago, more like 3 months ago. And without basics in place & guarantee of funds? No general contractor will talk to you either. At least, not a GC you want to deal with. Plenty who'll take your money and disappear though. Reality is most places in the USA? You can't build anything larger then a lawnmower shed without involving the town. Need to conform to zoning laws & all kinds of things that don't apply to a house... and they'll find out. and hopefully you don't need a variance on the property. They're often granted but slow things down tremendously. Have an in law who's a custom home builder. Took over the business from his dad so a few decades of history. Right now he's booked until spring 2023. That's the first opening... and if someone doesn't have their paperwork in order he's on to the next. Raw materials to move in ready..? It can take two or three years to go from paper to dried paint.
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Post by mitchkricun on Jan 10, 2022 16:36:02 GMT -6
Aww, that sucks man. Sorry to hear this.
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Post by schmalzy on Jan 10, 2022 16:55:43 GMT -6
This is my "retirement" dream. Maybe it's something you could consider?
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jan 20, 2022 7:14:05 GMT -6
Any update on this Jesse?
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Post by jmoose on Jan 20, 2022 16:26:39 GMT -6
Any update on this Jesse? He's probably moving couches in between trying to finish whatever records he can. Or at least that's what I did when I lost my space w/90 days notice years ago... Anywhoo. I thought about both you guys yesterday. Took the nickle tour of a really killer location. Hadn't planned to but just kinda fell together. Remember the guy we talked about that planned to build a room about 5 miles up the road from us? Dead. Not happening. Partner fallouts & buyouts. However the space itself is still available and hail Satan. Real easy to see why they fell in love with it. Amazing potential. Lotta meat on the bone... but easily enough to eat someone alive. Needs everything. Starting with an electrician... but what a room. I'll send you a message. We should really do that lunch thing!
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jan 20, 2022 16:41:53 GMT -6
Any update on this Jesse? He's probably moving couches in between trying to finish whatever records he can. Or at least that's what I did when I lost my space w/90 days notice years ago... Anywhoo. I thought about both you guys yesterday. Took the nickle tour of a really killer location. Hadn't planned to but just kinda fell together. Remember the guy we talked about that planned to build a room about 5 miles up the road from us? Dead. Not happening. Partner fallouts & buyouts. However the space itself is still available and hail Satan. Real easy to see why they fell in love with it. Amazing potential. Lotta meat on the bone... but easily enough to eat someone alive. Needs everything. Starting with an electrician... but what a room. I'll send you a message. We should really do that lunch thing! Yes for sure - time keeps slipping away from me with renovations and all haha. I slipped into Ritchies the other day to pick up some strings real quick. Didn’t even know they moved locations. Said they had some building going on. They putting a studio in that place? I remember Seymour saying something about that when I saw him at the last Aes show I went to.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 20, 2022 23:21:16 GMT -6
Any update on this Jesse? jmoose , exactly it. Trying to finish and catch up banging out a few projects / songs. Haven't had any luck finding a space going forward yet. Been trying to get a layout together for potential build, but expecting cost to be an issue. Listed about 35k in gear for sale locally, just to try to lighten the load a bit. Need to also list all my furniture and stuff. Probably this weekend. Last session that I kept on the books is Feb 5. After that it's packing and moving. I did book a band to play a party on Feb 27 though. Last hoorah. Should be fun.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 21, 2022 5:45:20 GMT -6
Another interesting build out and mobile:
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 21, 2022 10:14:08 GMT -6
I liked the wooden wall for diffusion, but that seemed like way too much effort for such a claustrophobic space. If I had a house, but not an extra room to put a studio in, I would have looked at one of those pre-fab barns or giant sheds. I found one 20'W x 12'H x 36'L for around $6,000.
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Post by johneppstein on Jan 21, 2022 10:20:01 GMT -6
Oh, MAN! I feel for you - went through a similar thing in late 2016, still haven't recovered. Of course all the pandemic stuff didn't help...
Hope you recover, best wishes to you.
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Post by drbill on Jan 21, 2022 11:38:09 GMT -6
I liked the wooden wall for diffusion, but that seemed like way too much effort for such a claustrophobic space. If I had a house, but not an extra room to put a studio in, I would have looked at one of those pre-fab barns or giant sheds. I found one 20'W x 12'H x 36'L for around $6,000. yeah - interesting video, but claustrophobic as #!@%. Could never work in there long term.
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Post by gouge on Jan 21, 2022 18:20:29 GMT -6
have tried and built wooden walls for diffusion in small rooms and can say without hesitation it does not work. - ever;
sorry to hear jesse, the one thing i kept thinking was the real value in your studio is you. keep the faith.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 21, 2022 19:05:01 GMT -6
have tried and built wooden walls for diffusion in small rooms and can say without hesitation it does not work. - ever; sorry to hear jesse, the one thing i kept thinking was the real value in your studio is you. keep the faith. Basically that summarizes my experience. They do look nice though, so there’s that.
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