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Post by john on Dec 28, 2019 16:03:47 GMT -6
Doug, you're using the MOTU rig for headphone mixes and your control room mix? That's the other option that I'm weighing, but nervous because I'm so used to doing all that stuff right on the board. I was, but it's a pain. Sometimes if I need a larger monitor mix count. I added a splitter patchbay and now have a parallel path into a Mackie for monitor mixes. Literally use nothing other than faders and pans. My ideal console for that would be maybe 12-18 inches deep, faders, pans, sends. Sweepable HPF would be a luxury. I've got this Altec 9200A sitting around waiting for me to restore it. I wouldn't be surprised if someone offers me a 'no refusing' amount for it before I ever get it going. It LOOKS amazing, not sure how truly useful it will prove to be as a full service console. It could do a single monitor mix.....the 8 channels with EQ are the premium part, but it's a hell of a lot of footprint for 8 channels of EQ. Would love a look at that Altec.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 28, 2019 16:20:36 GMT -6
Hmm, someone get a nice Christmas bonus??? You mean other than being gifted membership in the "Jelly Of The Month Club"-And a year's supply of Trident gum, both from my Boss? Chris
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 28, 2019 22:50:21 GMT -6
DrBill, would you post a photo of your studio now. Since there's no longer a console, what is in front of you while you're mixing?
The computer screen doesn't help the sound any either.
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Post by drbill on Dec 28, 2019 23:26:54 GMT -6
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 28, 2019 23:58:02 GMT -6
Also I'd add neotek to the lost. Pretty cool consoles honestly.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 29, 2019 8:53:45 GMT -6
Thanks DrBill. For some reason the photos you posted on page 1 are all blurry now. I couldn't view it at the Mix magazine link either.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 29, 2019 9:07:20 GMT -6
How about the AMEK M1000?
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Post by ericn on Dec 29, 2019 11:55:14 GMT -6
Also I'd add neotek to the lost. Pretty cool consoles honestly. Newer ones, old ones are a rats nest and a bitch to track down problems on.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 29, 2019 13:12:19 GMT -6
Also I'd add neotek to the lost. Pretty cool consoles honestly. Newer ones, old ones are a rats nest and a bitch to track down problems on. Agreed. I meant the new Elite ones. Pretty cool desks as they run at 48v I think so have tons of head room.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 29, 2019 15:53:16 GMT -6
How about the AMEK M1000? The Amek they had at Hyde Street (Heider SF) is not fondly remembered by those I’ve spoken too with direct knowledge. My friend who had an Amek Hendrix sold it and doesn’t miss it. Specifically he said the EQ was nothing special.
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Post by saltyjames on Dec 29, 2019 16:23:56 GMT -6
Used 1608, or Audient. The new API's are awesome. The automation is insanely well done.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 29, 2019 17:10:54 GMT -6
Used 1608, or Audient. The new API's are awesome. The automation is insanely well done. The 1608 sounds really good. My only hesitation would be that the ergonomics of the monitoring section seem pretty limited as a tracking console. I think it's designed with DAW monitoring in mind— the manual suggests submixing in the DAW. But I've only ever mixed on one, so grain of salt.
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Post by geoff738 on Dec 29, 2019 18:34:45 GMT -6
I got no space so maybe a tricked out Ghost. And lots of outboard. Maybe it wouldn’t have that much smaller a footprint than other options that would be sonically superior?
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by chessparov on Dec 29, 2019 19:13:31 GMT -6
Cheap seat question... How much "damage" to the original signal (if any) does going out a Prosumer (ala Mackie Onyx) mixer-line level, into a good sounding (or better) USB interface usually cause? Thanks, Chris
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Post by Tbone81 on Dec 29, 2019 19:43:16 GMT -6
Cheap seat question... How much "damage" to the original signal (if any) does going out a Prosumer (ala Mackie Onyx) mixer-line level, into a good sounding (or better) USB interface usually cause? Thanks, Chris If you're careful with your gain staging, and just going out the Mackie's Direct Outs I'd say very little, if any, "damage" would be imparted from a Mackie Onyx. It will color the signal a little, if that's a bad thing or a good thing is for you to decide.
I'm assuming that in that scenario you're using good outboard preamps. But I may be misunderstanding the question.
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Post by notneeson on Dec 29, 2019 19:57:45 GMT -6
I got no space so maybe a tricked out Ghost. And lots of outboard. Maybe it wouldn’t have that much smaller a footprint than other options that would be sonically superior? Cheers, Geoff I wouldn’t even mod the Ghost, personally. We had a stock one for foldback when I was tracking to 2” 15ish years ago, and it’s great for monitoring if you just watch your headroom. But it will never be a vibey front end.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 29, 2019 22:12:04 GMT -6
Cheap seat question... How much "damage" to the original signal (if any) does going out a Prosumer (ala Mackie Onyx) mixer-line level, into a good sounding (or better) USB interface usually cause? Thanks, Chris If you're careful with your gain staging, and just going out the Mackie's Direct Outs I'd say very little, if any, "damage" would be imparted from a Mackie Onyx. It will color the signal a little, if that's a bad thing or a good thing is for you to decide.
I'm assuming that in that scenario you're using good outboard preamps. But I may be misunderstanding the question.
Thanks TBone. My "best" Pre is a 'umble Studio Projects VTB-1. IMHO it's a step up from an Onyx, particularly on dynamic microphones. Very quiet. The VTB-1 has a little more "weight"/darkness, around 75 Hertz, than the Onyx. Also 72db gain, versus the typical 60db. Ironically, my best interface is a Mackie Onyx Blackjack. It does have some nice Cirrus Logic converters. Chris P.S. I suppose an entry level Audient, would be the next step up in "Budget Land".
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Dec 29, 2019 22:52:10 GMT -6
Not to shit on the idea, but I'd expand what I've assembled after journeying for the past ten plus years: - CAPI SumBus expansion to 32 channels (currently 16)
- Burl B80 expansion to accommodate (currently 8x24)
- Choose one of the automated fader systems out there (currently viaFader 16)
That said, a used 1608 would sure be cool. I'm just drawn to the heat and physicality of the process too much to not have a hybrid system at minimum.
For me, mixing 100% ITB is a better move. As much as I enjoy mixing on a console, I'm happy with my results ITB and the ability to mix anywhere is huge for me. 100%. It is all about what works for you. Lots of options.
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Post by sirthought on Dec 29, 2019 23:31:45 GMT -6
For some reason I didn’t even think about the console I use every day...a Sony MXP3036 It is a modular design and you can get preamps and EQs from API, John Hardy, Fossell and a few others. There’s a great support group run by the designer as well. They are usually like $5000 or so. Pretty easy to work on, some custom made op amps and stuff but if a channel goes down spares are readily available. Just a thought. At home I think I’m going to go to the SSL Sigma and a Nucleus or a pair of Artist Mix controllers. Seems like if I commit the workflow will suit how I’d like to mix. I'm seeing one for $8K+, but I think it's more channels than what he's talking about.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2019 11:23:57 GMT -6
I got no space so maybe a tricked out Ghost. And lots of outboard. Maybe it wouldn’t have that much smaller a footprint than other options that would be sonically superior? Cheers, Geoff I wouldn’t even mod the Ghost, personally. We had a stock one for foldback when I was tracking to 2” 15ish years ago, and it’s great for monitoring if you just watch your headroom. But it will never be a vibey front end. The modded Ghost is a completely different animal compared to stock sonically, but you’re still left with a prosumer chassis. If your going to go down the Modded Soundcraft route go Deltta/ Venue or find a one of the Soundcraft studio boards.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2019 11:31:44 GMT -6
For some reason I didn’t even think about the console I use every day...a Sony MXP3036 It is a modular design and you can get preamps and EQs from API, John Hardy, Fossell and a few others. There’s a great support group run by the designer as well. They are usually like $5000 or so. Pretty easy to work on, some custom made op amps and stuff but if a channel goes down spares are readily available. Just a thought. At home I think I’m going to go to the SSL Sigma and a Nucleus or a pair of Artist Mix controllers. Seems like if I commit the workflow will suit how I’d like to mix. The 2 problems with the Sony are that opamp and the limited supply until somebody releases a clone and the minimum order to get any of the 3rd party modules built. They are scarce on the used market.
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Post by ericn on Dec 30, 2019 11:34:08 GMT -6
At the price your looking at you could probably find a nice Cadec or Calrec. Don Larking always has a couple of each listed.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 30, 2019 12:19:15 GMT -6
Would anything other than SSL, Neve, or API be any client draw?
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 30, 2019 12:23:16 GMT -6
I think that comes down to how it looks, and if it has a pedigree. “This console was used on xx record” is a nice pitch.
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Post by Blackdawg on Dec 30, 2019 12:31:16 GMT -6
Would anything other than SSL, Neve, or API be any client draw? Sure. Anything that looks like a big console will bring people in. Doesn't mean they expect you to use it. I have a few friends that mix at big studio and they never use the console..sad.
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