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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 28, 2019 6:19:45 GMT -6
Hmm, someone get a nice Christmas bonus??? Nah, I wish. Mainly just dreaming. I've got a couple bad channels and a fair amount of variation channel to channel on my board. The idea of selling off a bunch of preamps and funding a board upgrade is appealing to me.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 28, 2019 6:26:11 GMT -6
Not to shit on the idea, but I'd expand what I've assembled after journeying for the past ten plus years: - CAPI SumBus expansion to 32 channels (currently 16)
- Burl B80 expansion to accommodate (currently 8x24)
- Choose one of the automated fader systems out there (currently viaFader 16)
That said, a used 1608 would sure be cool. I'm just drawn to the heat and physicality of the process too much to not have a hybrid system at minimum.
For me, mixing 100% ITB is a better move. As much as I enjoy mixing on a console, I'm happy with my results ITB and the ability to mix anywhere is huge for me.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 28, 2019 6:31:23 GMT -6
As a customer I'd want something we can build the mix in analog while tracking and plenty of channels for working and blending experimental room mics in addition to live tracking the whole band. Also a patchbay and easy bussing for parallel processing while building up the right sound. Direct outs (pre fader) would ideal for capturing the raw mic pre's as a safety, however the goal would be capturing the busses with EQ/processing for a close to final mixed sound. I think the 80b makes sense, but I'd be happy with almost anything as long as it could do all these things. My current board has direct outs pre fader, but post insert and eq. Love capturing all the MOJO in tracking.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 28, 2019 6:34:06 GMT -6
Man, this is hard. I haven't tracked on a console in 2 decades, I've been chaining preamps and processing straight into recorders. I use one for monitoring....sometimes..... Doug, you're using the MOTU rig for headphone mixes and your control room mix? That's the other option that I'm weighing, but nervous because I'm so used to doing all that stuff right on the board.
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Post by keymod on Dec 28, 2019 6:52:50 GMT -6
There's a nice APB Spectra on reverb right now.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 28, 2019 6:59:06 GMT -6
So, I know the exercise is just for fun, but I’d still skip the console format and get a great front end: Couple Silver Bullets, bunch’s CAPI pres, maybe six 550A EQs, couple Coils, a TG2, couple Neve 500 series eqs, fet, VCA, and opto compression options. Basically a combo of the stuff I actually have, and the stuff I’ve used fairly frequently. I’ve mixed on a 1608 and tracked on a big Trident TSM several times but I’d rather have the outboard for the money. Don’t mean to spoil the fun! That's kind of the situation I'm in now. I've got 20 or so channels of outboard preamps, 40 channels of comp, and another 10 or so channels of eq beyond my board. I love having eq available for all the channels that I'm tracking and love having stuff within reach. I'm thinking a better console could be a nice workflow improvement.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 28, 2019 7:03:36 GMT -6
There's a nice APB Spectra on reverb right now. For real. That 40 channel would slip right in where my 40 channel Midas is.
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Post by sean on Dec 28, 2019 7:20:53 GMT -6
I’d look for something like a Trident 70 or 80 if you are thinking about something with a little mojo. I think the world has caught on to Quad 8 and Spectrasonic consoles and those deals aren’t around.
You might find a Auditronics desk. The Studer 169 (and whatever their larger brothers are) might still be out there at reasonable prices.
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Post by keymod on Dec 28, 2019 7:21:36 GMT -6
There's a nice APB Spectra on reverb right now. For real. That 40 channel would slip right in where my 40 channel Midas is. I could do a whole project with nothing but my APB Pro desk and there wouldn't be anything to complain about.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 28, 2019 8:01:07 GMT -6
For real. That 40 channel would slip right in where my 40 channel Midas is. I could do a whole project with nothing but my APB Pro desk and there wouldn't be anything to complain about. Honestly, I feel the same way about my Midas. I do love your board too. Would be a great way to cross grade to a working console for low dough.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 28, 2019 8:02:59 GMT -6
I’d look for something like a Trident 70 or 80 if you are thinking about something with a little mojo. I think the world has caught on to Quad 8 and Spectrasonic consoles and those deals aren’t around. You might find a Auditronics desk. The Studer 169 (and whatever their larger brothers are) might still be out there at reasonable prices. Thanks man. Any idea how the maintenance is on those older Tridents? I don't want something that's always going to need work. That's my big worry with an older or oddball board. Finding parts too...
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Post by subspace on Dec 28, 2019 8:42:19 GMT -6
I’d look for something like a Trident 70 or 80 if you are thinking about something with a little mojo. I think the world has caught on to Quad 8 and Spectrasonic consoles and those deals aren’t around. You might find a Auditronics desk. The Studer 169 (and whatever their larger brothers are) might still be out there at reasonable prices. Thanks man. Any idea how the maintenance is on those older Tridents? I don't want something that's always going to need work. That's my big worry with an older or oddball board. Finding parts too... The 70 is easy to work on, same modules as my Trimix, the only unobtanium are the individual channel meter ICs and the pre-h pan pots could end up being a custom order. The rest is stock through-hole resistors, caps, Schadow switches and socketed TL071s. You'd want a re-conditioned board if you're looking to drop it in and get to work, a lot of the deals out there are actually rehab projects, which is easy enough to do but time-intensive.
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 28, 2019 9:07:34 GMT -6
Since were dreaming there’s a Flickinger console on reverb for a cool $130k. 😎
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 28, 2019 9:10:03 GMT -6
Since were dreaming there’s a Flickinger console on reverb for a cool $130k. 😎 I was literally just looking at that.
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 28, 2019 9:11:24 GMT -6
Since were dreaming there’s a Flickinger console on reverb for a cool $130k. 😎 I was literally just looking at that. Do it do it
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 28, 2019 9:21:06 GMT -6
How about building a custom sidecar type thing?
8 channel, 19" sections. Could either do 500 series or 8 channel rack preamps. Do 500 series eq's. Add a summer for my monitoring.
How would I do aux sends though. Is there some sort of 8 channel, 8 aux rack thing on the market? That seems to be the only real advantage of a loop trotter console right?
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Post by EmRR on Dec 28, 2019 9:23:26 GMT -6
Man, this is hard. I haven't tracked on a console in 2 decades, I've been chaining preamps and processing straight into recorders. I use one for monitoring....sometimes..... Doug, you're using the MOTU rig for headphone mixes and your control room mix? That's the other option that I'm weighing, but nervous because I'm so used to doing all that stuff right on the board. I was, but it's a pain. Sometimes if I need a larger monitor mix count. I added a splitter patchbay and now have a parallel path into a Mackie for monitor mixes. Literally use nothing other than faders and pans. My ideal console for that would be maybe 12-18 inches deep, faders, pans, sends. Sweepable HPF would be a luxury. I've got this Altec 9200A sitting around waiting for me to restore it. I wouldn't be surprised if someone offers me a 'no refusing' amount for it before I ever get it going. It LOOKS amazing, not sure how truly useful it will prove to be as a full service console. It could do a single monitor mix.....the 8 channels with EQ are the premium part, but it's a hell of a lot of footprint for 8 channels of EQ.
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Post by matt@IAA on Dec 28, 2019 9:29:25 GMT -6
An aux in that context is no different than a bus, unless I misunderstand you. The “tough” part to what you’re describing is returns.
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Post by stratboy on Dec 28, 2019 9:31:42 GMT -6
How about building a custom sidecar type thing? 8 channel, 19" sections. Could either do 500 series or 8 channel rack preamps. Do 500 series eq's. Add a summer for my monitoring. How would I do aux sends though. Is there some sort of 8 channel, 8 aux rack thing on the market? That seems to be the only real advantage of a loop trotter console right? Aurora Audio makes something like what of you speak. Check em out.
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Post by stratboy on Dec 28, 2019 9:39:06 GMT -6
There's a nice APB Spectra on reverb right now. I love my APB. I think a Spectra would be a really great board. The APB EQ section is really good and includes a nice HPF. . My ideal console for that would be maybe 12-18 inches deep, faders, pans, sends. Sweepable HPF would be a luxury. A small (20 input) APB like mine would be great for this application. Go all APB!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 9:54:22 GMT -6
A used Aurora sidecar and a rack of Heiders for tracking.
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Post by keymod on Dec 28, 2019 9:54:36 GMT -6
How about building a custom sidecar type thing? 8 channel, 19" sections. Could either do 500 series or 8 channel rack preamps. Do 500 series eq's. Add a summer for my monitoring. How would I do aux sends though. Is there some sort of 8 channel, 8 aux rack thing on the market? That seems to be the only real advantage of a loop trotter console right? You mean like this?
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Post by mattbroiler on Dec 28, 2019 9:56:40 GMT -6
a few years ago a friend of mine acquired something similar to this from one of the Portland tv stations - www.preservationsound.com/2012/09/adm-consoles-of-the-1970-and-1980s/The station was upgrading their broadcast setup at the time changing to some newfangled digital setup and another friend of ours had the tear out job contract. The stations attitude was if you can dismantle this console and haul it out of here you can have it. Kind of awesome when this sort of thing happens... My pal has been building a control booth in his space and getting closer to finishing it up but meanwhile the ADM console and modules have been sitting there covered up in the corner and I would love to see it all get hooked up and do some tracking and mixing on this thing - so yes dreams do come true sometimes it just takes awhile
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Post by nobtwiddler on Dec 28, 2019 10:02:47 GMT -6
Or Something like this.... I designed and built 4 of these.... Works amazingly well in and out of the normal studio confines. 10 minute setup! Attachments:
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 28, 2019 10:03:54 GMT -6
An aux in that context is no different than a bus, unless I misunderstand you. The “tough” part to what you’re describing is returns. I don't want to purchase 8 summing mixers or whatever though. If I could get like a 24x8 rack mixer with just a bunch of knobs in 3 rack spaces, that would be cool.
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