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Post by M57 on Jun 13, 2024 17:33:19 GMT -6
Other than that Carolina-O example. I haven't heard anything that's anywhere near killer. Maybe that's good enough for commercial work, but when I try using these sites I get slivers of reasonable music but no continuity and poor structure.. As far as I can tell, these engines can't take direction when it comes to form.. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems all the prompts are of a stylistic nature.. E.g. moody, trap, pop, smooth, smooth jazz, soaring guitars, American female vocal, etc. When asking AI to 'extend' the idea, you can't tell it how. What am I missing. Can someone give me links to AI music that has structure?
When you give it lyrics, Udio's IA is routinely unable to match the appropriate harmonic and melodic cadences with lyrical phrases and rhyme schemes.
Right now I'm listening to a bunch of "Staff Picks" from the Udio site. They 'sound' good, have all the elements of their respective genres, but they all just seem to ramble to me. Blues has all the pentatonic guitar licks down, but nothing sticks out. The jazz music soloists make questionable phrasing and poor chord scale choices. And everything sounds OVER-produced.
I'm still waiting for the good stuff..
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Post by M57 on Jun 13, 2024 14:23:36 GMT -6
I might add that a large section of the industry is getting it's just desserts. Most of the music out there is four-chord loop-de-loop, four on the floor, sing-song five note repetitive melodies and lyrics about the same things over and over. If AI can fix that, I may actually start listening to music again.
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Post by M57 on Jun 13, 2024 14:15:35 GMT -6
In a strange way things may be kind of circling back to the way it was only a little more than 100 years ago, when you either made music yourself or you went out to see others play. In the future, this may very well be he only way to know if music is made by humans. It's not hard for me to envision a future with AI bands/soloists; and they will "make" videos and have all the trappings of real bands like swag, etc.
These last 100 years have been quite the ride, but they are sure to be a blip in the evolution of the 'business' of music. We have all but forgotten that it was only a few hundred years ago that the basic concept of music ownership came about. Other than performing live, the only way to make money as a musician was to perform or gain a commission from a patron of the arts. And after that, your music was out there, free game for anyone. And it was only some 200 years ago that a musician of Beethoven's stature (indeed, it was Beethoven) was able to negotiate a percentage of sales. Imagine the outrage in the publishing community!
Yes, the "industry" is in for another major upheaval, but one thing that seems to consistently be true is that the winner in all of this craziness has been the listening public, who's options at every turn have grown exponentially. You can moan and groan and claim there will be no incentive for us lowly humans to write music anymore, much less learn how to play an instrument, but you'll be wrong.
One silver lining/takeaway that I got from the Beato video was that his children were aware of what was happening in ways that surprised Rick. No doubt, there will always be a percentage of the population that will eschew AI generated art, and they will spend their money to make sure that what they consume is not AI generated. I.e, go to live concerts, etc.
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Post by M57 on Jun 3, 2024 17:15:45 GMT -6
..you can save time creating harmonies with it.. Does it have specific pitch shift capabilities?
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Post by M57 on May 8, 2024 17:01:30 GMT -6
Getting back on topic: I've never experienced any problems with plugins or my interfaces where Logic updates are concerned; of course it's a different story with Major OS updates.
As per usual with Logic, I'm excited about the update, which I believe will be available in mid-May. I'm really interested in how well the "session" AI musicians will work. When it comes to song writing I find Drummer to be a great FAST and easy to use place-holder before I hire a session musician. If the "session" AI musicians are anywhere near as good as Drummer, it will be a game-changer for a lot of folks.
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Post by M57 on May 8, 2024 15:01:26 GMT -6
Terrible marketing. Fix the bugs and illogical workflow. Terrible marketing? Who cares? Even if there's some truth to what you're saying (and I think their marketing is just fine) does it make the product any better or worse? Illlogical workflow? You're inferring that I'm don't think logically because it makes perfect sense to me. Sorry if I'm sounding like a fan boy, because one of the things I like about this site is we just don't go there. Now on the other hand, if you're a Logic user and you're frustrated with the product, then I apologize, but honestly, you're just sounding like a hater to me.
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Post by M57 on May 3, 2024 17:21:33 GMT -6
Will we be subjected to Elvis doing Taylor Swift and Madonna songs for the rest of eternity? Maybe, but you also get Taylor Swift covering Elvis. ..Return To Sender!
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Post by M57 on Apr 23, 2024 8:49:07 GMT -6
No question, the Iso Acoustics make a huge difference compared to when the speakers are just sitting on the desk. I have them angled up probably 10+ degrees, which I believe makes a difference with the highs with respect to desk reflections, but I doubt angling makes much if any difference in the lower frequencies.
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Post by M57 on Apr 22, 2024 18:32:47 GMT -6
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Post by M57 on Apr 22, 2024 6:47:05 GMT -6
Just stumbled on this.. Ghost Note Audio's Composer. Pretty much exactly what I was looking for. If the quality is there, the price is reasonable.
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Post by M57 on Apr 20, 2024 16:56:53 GMT -6
I know there are a number of folks here who make money on sites like fivrr and airgigs, etc. Surely AI will be able to do that. Those jobs are also on the line, but the march of technology's sword always seems to have two edges, doesn't it? Very little has been mentioned about how AI can and will be leveraged not by industry, but by actual musicians. It shouldn't be that much of a shock. Musicians have been using technology to create drum parts for decades now. This change will likely be significant on an order of magnitude, so like Dr. Bill said, buckle up. If AI is half of what it's been cracked up to be, It's not possible for us to know what that future will sound like in the hands and under the care of musicians.
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Post by M57 on Apr 18, 2024 12:31:52 GMT -6
This doesn't mean that it couldn't get there, it just means that I've yet to hear anything that sounds at all creative to me. And I mean "at all" creative. And from a lot of the AI people I talk to in my day job, the general consensus is that we are very, very far from genuine creative output in AI and some even think we will never get there. Unfortunately the vast majority of human output is also not creative "at all." Think of how many musicians out there just copy what they've already heard ..or who for the most part can only play printed sheet music, or need tabs, etc. There's a lot of "creators" out there who slam together a handful of loops and call it a day. AI may not be truly creative (ever) but it can already put a fork in a lot of what passes for art created by humans.
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Post by M57 on Apr 18, 2024 7:49:34 GMT -6
This all begs the question. Is AI becoming sentient?
..or let's turn it around. Are we just evolving biological computers?
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Post by M57 on Apr 16, 2024 17:58:55 GMT -6
The game is close to being over for those who write for : - commercials - TV - B & C level films. A level blockbuster films will still hire a real composer. - Youtube videos - reality TV - anything that does not require a "artist" personality to drive it. (And even there, AI is accelerating) In the last 6 months since I really thought about this, the strides that have been made are astounding. There are no brakes, and there is no political will to stop even if there were brakes. If you're OK with your musical experience being the total sum of playing your guitar in a coffee shop for $50 a night, then all is good - those opportunities will continue, although you'll have much more competition from the other musicians whose careers have been annihilated. If you seek a studio career as an engineer, or studio musician, or arranger, or composer, or producer / etc. there will be little work for any but the AAA level guys/gals with long standing career experience and accolades. This will destroy the middle class musicians. Some are saying make as much money and invest as much as you can right now, because by 2030 the work force will look nothing like we have now, and even jobs may be a thing of the past. Just "believing" that this will go like past trends is naive. Buckle up!! Of course it's not a trend and it won't go away, but neither will the public's need for 'real' entertainment. That means live performances by living breathing musicians that they can relate to on a personal level. There's no question, technology has decimated millions of jobs over the last 200 years. I for one am grateful that I don't have to ride a horse to get to work to pick cotton in field for 12 hours a day. When tech does something just as well and more efficiently than humans, I say bring it. Yeah, there's pain with progress, but nothing can stifle the human spirit. People won't stop playing instruments or writing music just because computers can do it better or more efficiently. People will create because they just have to. It's in our DNA, and technology will be there for us to make it better. As for an example with AI, already a decent Chess (or Go) program can beat the shit out of the best players in the world playing their A+ game 100 times out of 100, yet the (human) chess world is enjoying a renaissance of popularity. Sure, there are tournaments where computers play computers, but guess what? Almost no one cares. They prefer to watch smelly meatbags playing the game. Me? I always wear a seat belt.
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Post by M57 on Apr 16, 2024 11:01:00 GMT -6
What prompts are necessary to get it to where it's at? --> It doesn't need much. A few words ! Ask for "a trippy trance track with dogs barking, seagulls calls and a talkbox" for example and it will probably generate something potent. I don't know how the AI creates the audio output (& I think the developers don't quite know it themselves). It's probably been trained on waveforms ; program materials (human work). I guess the AI creates the waveform from thin air, based on the prompt. Sample by sample...? The audio output quality : It's good enough that it frightens me. The voices are ok. The harmonies, the structures, also kinda ok. Not game changing, but average. The tracks sound like a low bitrate file, but I'm pretty sure they're working on making it sound better. And as investors inject millions and millions of dollars into these techs, sure enough they will improve quickly, with no safeguard in place, no regulation, no ethical concerns etc. There's no way the OP's link was generated with just a few prompts. It's very specific genre-wise and highly stylized. I would be shocked if it was entirely created by AI, much less written by AI. Well, I'll be damned. I checked out Udio. Getting to the full length song requires a couple of steps/edits/extra prompts, and no doubt there's a limit and range of genres that it is capable of emulating, AND the writing and music is of borderline quality so there are no hits to be made there yet, BUT I'd say give it time and it will certainly be capable of creating reasonable recordings that will have utilitarian function. Ya know, there was a time when the only way to listen to music was to get out the sheet music and play it yourself. I wonder that once AI is making music videos featuring "famous" AI bands and artists performing things that are impossible for humans to play, things will come full circle. That, or the Singularity will simply decide that we are "unnecessary."
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Post by M57 on Apr 15, 2024 21:37:37 GMT -6
A scotch OF. Yeah ..heresy, I know ..with Dewers White Label, Drambuie for sweetener, orange bitters because I think it probably works better with the Drambuie, and a Luxardo cherry (probably the most expensive part of the drink). Not bad at all.
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Post by M57 on Apr 15, 2024 18:44:43 GMT -6
What prompts are necessary to get it to where it's at? --> It doesn't need much. A few words ! Ask for "a trippy trance track with dogs barking, seagulls calls and a talkbox" for example and it will probably generate something potent. I don't know how the AI creates the audio output (& I think the developers don't quite know it themselves). It's probably been trained on waveforms ; program materials (human work). I guess the AI creates the waveform from thin air, based on the prompt. Sample by sample...? The audio output quality : It's good enough that it frightens me. The voices are ok. The harmonies, the structures, also kinda ok. Not game changing, but average. The tracks sound like a low bitrate file, but I'm pretty sure they're working on making it sound better. And as investors inject millions and millions of dollars into these techs, sure enough they will improve quickly, with no safeguard in place, no regulation, no ethical concerns etc. There's no way the OP's link was generated with just a few prompts. It's very specific genre-wise and highly stylized. I would be shocked if it was entirely created by AI, much less written by AI.
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Post by M57 on Apr 15, 2024 14:55:50 GMT -6
What about the recording is AI? Everything? The lyrics, the changes, the melodies, the voices, the instruments, the mix. Everything?? And what prompts are necessary to get it to where it's at?
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Post by M57 on Apr 2, 2024 18:53:09 GMT -6
If the caps turned and actually ground the salt and pepper, I'd buy.
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Post by M57 on Mar 27, 2024 5:17:51 GMT -6
I've used Pianoteq and I have to say it is pretty freaking amazing if you make it "worn out" like gravesnumber9 suggested. I generally prefer it somewhere between 8 and 12% WO. However, when it comes to solo recordings or those with exposed sections ..or getting an inspired and nuanced performance, there's nothing like the real thing. Not even close. That said, I think your decision should ultimately come down to what your needs are.. Assuming maintanence isn't an issue, there are still advantages to VI's. The ability to edit the performance (MIDI); the option of changing the instrument (either subtly or completely); and the ability to easily double the performance with another VI or synth part (like a pad or an electric piano). I have the luxury of having a baby grand in my studio, and though I almost always end up using it, I always consider those VI advantages when deciding which to play.
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Post by M57 on Mar 6, 2024 12:22:26 GMT -6
I don't know what folk is anymore. I'm admittedly not that familiar with or knowledgeable about it when it comes to folk's roots, other than a little bits of Guthrie and Dylan, and I'm sure there are many folks (pun intended) here who woud include many a country singer in the pantheon of folk musicians.
When I think of folk, I think of "my kind of folk," i.e, songwriters I listened to in my youth like K. Loggins, J Taylor, J. Mitchell C. Stevens, Eagles and CSN&Y. Yes, their music often veered in the direction of rock, but what made their music 'folk' to me was that the writing was generally acoustic guitar driven, and often the arrangements were very bare-bones ..though not necessarily, and most of the time the guitar was the instrument you 'heard.' Fleshing out the song was generally accomplished with harmonies, and as a result you could almost always sit around with your friends and a guitar, play mainly first position chords, and everyone would be able to easily grab a harmony part and sing along.
Interestingly, in the song-writing circles I spin in these days, we often post songs as 1+1's, i.e, just a vocal and solo instrument, and one of the more common discussion points involves deciding whether or not to flesh them out, or leave them as is.
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Post by M57 on Mar 5, 2024 12:02:47 GMT -6
Where it has the most value is in its portability and playability. If you're a bass player with an injury or dealing with arthritis, you'll find it plays super easy. Agree with jcoutu1 It's a one-trick pony in the studio. That said, it's a nice little trick. I recorded this track (it looks like 7 years ago according to SC) with just the U-bass, a standard soprano ukulele and a synth pad, so the bass is nice and exposed. Hah, Just gave it a listen and remembered that it was one of the few times I was able to get my wife to sing on a track (in the outro). I really like the soft yet defined acoustic sounding fleshy thump in the attack that the rubbery/nylony strings create, and at the bottom of its range when playing near the nut it actually growls a little. https%3A//soundcloud.com/m57/dont-give-up-the-moonSorry about the sibilance. I need to find it in the archives and re-mix it. My ears are ringing.
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Post by M57 on Mar 4, 2024 11:00:48 GMT -6
Biggest thing I've learned when working with bands is that when something isn't sounding good, they try to make it more complex. More parts, more background instruments, counter melodies or beats, more layers of vocals, more effects on guitars, more reverb.. ..and don't forget cowbell!
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Post by M57 on Mar 2, 2024 13:51:00 GMT -6
I use logic's channel eq a lot. Partly because (like theshea ) I find it does a pretty good job of surgically taming resonances, but also because the thumbnail of its curve sitting at the top of the channel strip is a very useful visual when I'm working on figuring out what's stepping on what, and where to carve more broadly if necessary Slightly off-topic, but I was thinking it could be interesting to do a comparison, mixing the same project on different DAWs using only stock plug-ins. Other than DAW bragging rights, I'm not sure what the value of such an endeavor might be because these days everyone uses mostly third party plugs.
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Post by M57 on Mar 2, 2024 11:32:55 GMT -6
First, there are no rules. Approaches or 'rules' that work for some may be completely ineffective for others, and the type of thought processes and arranging skills that 'work' are a varied as the kinds of music that are out there. That said, we all stand on the shoulders of giants. So I might start by asking things like, "Who are your giants? Cotrane, Cobain, Propain..?" How does the music function? Movies, EDM, elevator?
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